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NJ Safe & Sound Bill: Legal Recourse for Disconnection

Discussion in 'Legal and Government Actions Involving Scientology' started by AnonLover, Mar 8, 2013.

  1. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    /hattip Steve Hassan on facebook. Cross-posting from WWP:

    Disconnection must be stopped. This looks like a major step in the right direction.

    More at the link, including...

    Please consider signing the petition. And if your family has been broken up by disconnection - send in those questionnaires
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2013
  2. AnonLover

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  3. OhMG

    OhMG Patron Meritorious

    For those under 18 yrs old this will probably work. For adult children? Not a snowball's chance in hell.
  4. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

  5. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious


    From Lori Hodgson on Facebook:

  6. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    :bump2: Finally, some news on this front, as well as some extremely useful resources for those who still have loved ones stuck in Scientology or are trying to understand what they were caught up in after leaving Scientology.

    The NJ Safe & Sound organization was prominently featured at this year's annual ICSA conference that I was fortunate enough to attend. They hosted an expert panel discussion called Undue Influence 101 that was extremely informative. Even better, they have now released the video segments online for informing the public.

    Part 1: The Multiple Faces of Undue Influence - cult exit counselor Bill Goldberg explains how cults use persuasion and thought reform techniques to exert undue influence over their victims. If you only watch one segment, this is definitely the one you do not want to miss. Mr. Goldberg goes over cult-related material from Robert Ciadini's seminal work on the psychology of persuasion that has been covered fairly well with other destructive cults, but unfortunately I've never seen someone apply those concepts specifically to Scientology.

    Alternate Vimeo link:

    Part 2: Understanding Undue Influence: Manipulation and Coercive Persuasion - Steve Hassan, director of Freedom of Mind Resource Center, explains the difference between constructive and destructive influence, and the elements of his BITE model of control. For those who have read any of Hassan's later books, this material will already be familiar to you.

    Alternate Vimeo link:

    Part 3: Mental Health Considerations for Families Confronted with the Alienation of a Loved One - Dana Wehle, a certified psychoanalyst and licensed clinical social worker who specializes in trauma related to undue influence, presents strategies for addressing the emotional needs of those left behind. If you only watch two segments, this is the next one you do not want to miss. Some of the topics Ms. Wehle touches on put some core aspects of Scientology indoctrination (Tone Scale, Reactive Mind, TRs) into a whole new light as far as seeing how dangerous those practices can be.

    (not available on Vimeo at this time)

    Part 4: Question-and-Answer Session - Former Scientology NYC org Staff/SO member turned cult litigator Paul S. Grosswald, answers questions regarding the legal remedies available in cases of undue influence.

    The later 25% of the video (sorry, no timestamps available) Includes an important update from NJ Safe & Sound lady re: the OP in this thread - whatever happened to the bill that was drafted in NJ for families ripped apart by cults? She explains the concerns and shortcoming that came up regarding the broad language in the draft bill, how it relates to an issue Grosswald spoke about regarding not being able to litigate disconnection scenarios, AND where their efforts as lobbyists trying to change this in NJ currently stand - THEY HAVE A NEW EXPERT REWRITING THE BILL.

    (not available on Vimeo at this time)

    If you find these videos useful, and/or you have suffered from Scientology's undue influence ripping your family apart, please see the NJ Safe & Sound home page section for "Share Your Experience" and submit the appropriate online questionnaire to allow their ongoing efforts to benefit from the knowledge they can glean from your heartbreak.
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2014
  7. sallydannce

    sallydannce Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you AnonLover.

    This is excellent info for anyone that has been in a cult. Just started watching Steven Hassan's presentation.

    I'll write more when I get a chance, just wanted to thank you. :)
  8. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    Ho cool is that. I filled it out for 32 years disconnection from my dad, which started when I was 3.
  9. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    Note for those who may not have followed the links - the part 3 and 4 segments are available directly on the NJ Safe & Sound website as embedded video that can't be shared on other sites. So you have to watch over there rather than here on ESMB.
  10. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    Steve Hassan has now released an all inclusive version of the 4part series of ICSA conference session videos I posted upstream ITT. For those who watched the other videos, I believe the only new material here is the first couple of minutes where the NJ Safe & Sound lady introduces the conference, the session, the speakers etc. For those who haven't watched it yet, this link is quite handy for viewing everything all in one sitting.


    And again - if your family has been ripped apart by disconnection, please visit the NJ Safe and Sound home page and complete the applicable questionnaire under "Share you experience" to help support the ground breaking effort these folks are trying to do to get legislation passed to prevent cults from destroying families. You do not have be from New Jersey, nor even a US citizen, to support this effort. You just have to lend your voice to the cause and take a few minutes to fill out a short list of questions.
  11. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    bump for yet another GREAT educational tool and initiative from NJ Safe & Sound. From the latest post on their Facebook Page:

    Front side of this double-sided tri-fold pamphlet:

    Front: brochure-front.jpg

    Back: brochure-back.jpg

    We need MORE of this sort of thing, in ALL states. But it's really cool that New Jersey - of all places - is raising the bar. The home state of Hubbard's first failed Dianetics center. One of the few states where Scientologists do not have an org of their own. AND best of all, where attorney Paul Groswald, former SO member and ICSA speaker, is now running for a political office where he might be able to help push through the revised draft legislation NJ Safe & Sound is working on.

    Attached Files:

  12. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    It's been a few years in the making, but there is FINALLY a legislative update on the NJ Safe & Sound bill. This is a new version of their proposed undue influence law, completely overhauled and rewritten. AND it's active in both branches of the NJ legislature with a handful of respectable co-sponsors on each bill.

    More at link!

    :clap: :clap: :clap:
  13. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    This wonderful. Thanks anonlover.

    I know just the place for evidence of the disconnections and accompanying "SP " declares. The ethics and reports section of orgs which have members who have disconnected from NJ citizens or residences.
    Maybe requests by the study group would be ignored by those cliques however I am sure the must be some under the radar members across those states and even the country who would know of the existing mind-hacks.
    Various ways to generate lists of such for interviews.
    Local cable community lectures might be a good route, or local radio talk hosts might like the topic matter.

    I hope this goes really well and that it spreads. All the way to Starbucks in Clearwater and LA.
  14. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    According to the NJ Safe & Sound Twitter feed, they scored another state legislature win on March 23, 2017.


    From Senate bill sponsor:

    Next step should be a signature from Governor Chris Christie. Here's hoping he watched Leah's show on A&E.
  15. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Although still only existing in 5 states Alienation of affection laws need to be studied. This in conjunction with Libel and Slander and hate laws which the CofS is definitely involved in when they extort and or blackmail and or use undue influence and coercion in their egregious efforts to usurp the liberty of conscience and association laid down in the Superior laws of the USA. Evidence abounds.....just read the exit stories of (ex) scientologists or watch A & E with Leah Remini.
  16. AnonLover

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  17. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron


    "Extremists, human traffickers, abusive partners, gangs, cults, swindlers, and other corrupt individuals and groups exert undue influence to exploit the trust, dependency, and fear of their victims to gain control over their decision-making. They use coercive control to isolate their targets so they can more easily manipulate and take advantage of them. In most instances, the law offers little help in protecting victims or prosecuting perpetrators."
  18. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    It is a wonderful step accomplished. I hope NAAG is paying close attention.

    The measure that Governor Christie signed into law requires the departments of Children and Families and Human Services to study the tactics used by predators to manipulate individuals, creating a wall between them and their family and friends. Study findings and recommendations are due to the Governor and Legislature within six months.

    from the law itself

    2. A report on the joint study’s findings and recommendations [ line 34 ]
    shall be submitted to the Governor and, pursuant to section 2 of the [ Line 35 ]
    P.L.1991, c.164 (C.52:14-19.1), to the Legislature no later than six [Line 36]
    months after the effective date of this act [ Line 37 ]
    Last edited: May 14, 2017
  19. AnonLover

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  20. AnonLover

    AnonLover Patron Meritorious

    The recent legislation in New Jersey to study the issue of cultic influence and coercion being used to disconnect or break up families is proceeding to the initial interview stage. If you are a victim of Scientology's practice of disconnection or the same sort of thing in another cult, please consider getting involved in this.

    Today's big announcement from the NJ Safe & Sound Facebook page:


    Related link in the above post: