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From Mike's blog.

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/tommy-davis-and-jessica-feshbach-wtf/#comment-7822
Rod Keller says:
July 3, 2013 at 10:09 am

It might be nice for you guys (Mike and Marty) to be forthcoming about some more of the things that happened when you were in. What happened with Miss Bloodybutt (Linda Woolard) for example? I think the stories about DM’s punching fetish are very valuable, but I think there’s a lot that is still unsaid.
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Mike Rinder says:
July 3, 2013 at 3:48 pm

Rod, if I had any idea about this I would have talked about it long before now. I havent got a clue what this is about and I have asked Marty about it and he doesnt know either. Seems like some some of urban legend or something that is apparently very significant to a few people and utterly unknown to most, including myself. I have a vague recollection of hearing about some wild allegations that I categorized along with the “Marty is in a submarine at the bottom of the Great Salt Lake.” Sorry, I dont have any information about this whatsoever.
EDITED TO ADD: References to the Miss Bloody But incident.

Tom Klemesrud and the Miss Bloody Butt Incident

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/mbb.htm

Recap of the story of Miss Bloodybutt - for Tom Klemesrud
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/miss-bloodybutt.htm

What Really Happened at Scientology's secret INCOMM facility
http://www.lermanet.com/dangarvin/
 
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i have seen this bloodybutt word used before also. does that somehow relate to the guy who said osa snagged him, built a sound stage of the ot3 incident and tried to drive him insane? maybe, i am getting my "comm lines" crossed here.

i lost the link about the guy that said there was indeed an osa (or perhaps g.o. op). to build an ot3 sound stage.

and if, indeed one was built, did they save it so it can be installed in the superpower building? ;)
 

CommunicatorIC

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i have seen this bloodybutt word used before also. does that somehow relate to the guy who said osa snagged him, built a sound stage of the ot3 incident and tried to drive him insane? maybe, i am getting my "comm lines" crossed here.

i lost the link about the guy that said there was indeed an osa (or perhaps g.o. op). to build an ot3 sound stage.

and if, indeed one was built, did they save it so it can be installed in the superpower building? ;)
Sorry, I forget not everyone was around at the time. I feel old. Anyway, references added to the OP.
 

AnonyMary

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What a crock of BS.

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CommunicatorIC

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http://www.mikerindersblog.org/tommy-davis-and-jessica-feshbach-wtf/#comment-7822

Rod Keller says:
July 3, 2013 at 10:09 am

It might be nice for you guys (Mike and Marty) to be forthcoming about some more of the things that happened when you were in. What happened with Miss Bloodybutt (Linda Woolard) for example? I think the stories about DM’s punching fetish are very valuable, but I think there’s a lot that is still unsaid.
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Mike Rinder says:
July 3, 2013 at 3:48 pm

Rod, if I had any idea about this I would have talked about it long before now. I havent got a clue what this is about and I have asked Marty about it and he doesnt know either. Seems like some some of urban legend or something that is apparently very significant to a few people and utterly unknown to most, including myself. I have a vague recollection of hearing about some wild allegations that I categorized along with the “Marty is in a submarine at the bottom of the Great Salt Lake.” Sorry, I dont have any information about this whatsoever.
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Jim Lippard says:
July 3, 2013 at 9:57 pm

Mike: The Church of Scientology went to court in Finland to obtain the identity of the individual who leaked a report from INCOMM on alt.religion.scientology under the name -AB- about the encounter between Linda Woolard and Tom Klemesrud, which occurred in the midst of RTC v. Netcom, which also named Klemesrud (or his BBS) as a defendant. -AB- turned out to be a Caltech alumnus who was working for Scientology at INCOMM, Thomas Rummelhart. There’s no question that Scientology *at least* sought out Woolard and interviewed her to produce the report which Rummelhart leaked. I also tracked her down and interviewed her to get her side of the story for my 1995 Skeptic magazine article: http://www.discord.org/~lippard/skeptic/03.3.jl-jj-scientology.html

Also see Chuck Beatty’s account (http://www.lermanet.com/chuck_beatty/) and Dan Garvin’s (http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/INCOMM.html).
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Mike Rinder says:
July 3, 2013 at 10:59 pm

Thanks. Though this is very off topic.

I DO know something about Tom Rummelhart, who was held in a room in the PAC base for months while he was sec checked. It was MANY months and he was not allowed to leave. He was under guard. He was watched with cameras that bugged the room. He was sec checked by Hansueli Stahli from RTC. When he did eventually leave, he was interviewed on camera by Elliot Abelson and I was present (and Kirsten Caetano may also have been present) and Abelson essentially told him he had better behave because he could have been prosecuted for espionage. Kirsten Caetano accompanied him back to his mother’s home in Iowa (or somewhere in the MidWest) and stayed with him for some weeks as I recall to ensure he was settled in and was not going to cause problems.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
I highly doubt this offloading of Tom Rummelhart....

Mike Rinder says:
July 3, 2013 at 10:59 pm

Thanks. Though this is very off topic.

I DO know something about Tom Rummelhart, who was held in a room in the PAC base for months while he was sec checked. It was MANY months and he was not allowed to leave. He was under guard. He was watched with cameras that bugged the room. He was sec checked by Hansueli Stahli from RTC. When he did eventually leave, he was interviewed on camera by Elliot Abelson and I was present (and Kirsten Caetano may also have been present) and Abelson essentially told him he had better behave because he could have been prosecuted for espionage. Kirsten Caetano accompanied him back to his mother’s home in Iowa (or somewhere in the MidWest) and stayed with him for some weeks as I recall to ensure he was settled in and was not going to cause problems.

....was about an 'unsanctioned Op' against Tom Klemsrud. No one on his own could have pulled off all the shenanigans that went down related to the RTC v. Netcom case except OSA. Perhaps Tom Rummelhart was offloaded because he was later outed, because his work reflected on and pointed to the cult.

For those too lazy to go to the links provided

SCIENTOLOGY v. the INTERNET
Free Speech & Copyright Infringement on the Information Super-Highway
By Jim Lippard and Jeff Jacobsen

The "Miss Blood" Incident

On January 14, Tom Klemesrud visited a Los Angeles bar after returning from a convention of BBS sysops in Denver. According to Klemesrud, a woman came up to him at the bar, they began conversing, and then they went to another bar. At the second bar the woman allegedly told him that she was an IRS agent, showing him a laminated ID card with the letters "IRS" in blue. The subject of Scientology came up, and she mentioned the names of IRS agents who had been involved with the investigation of Scientology's tax-exempt status in the 1980s. Eventually, says Klemesrud, they ended up at his home where he says she asked to see his BBS because she was supposedly investigating Scientology's tax-exempt status. After asking a few questions about users of the L.A. Valley College BBS, the woman excused herself to use the bathroom. When she did not return immediately, Klemesrud says he went to check on her and saw blood on the floor through the partially opened doorway. The woman spread blood around Klemesrud's bathroom, carpets, chairs, and bed, and police were called to the scene. According to the police report, the apartment was quiet, there were bloody jeans on the hall floor, and blood was smeared in the bathroom and on the bed. Klemesrud was sitting in a chair and the woman was sitting on the bed. Klemesrud told the officers that his shotgun was in the kitchen, and they retrieved it from a closet in the kitchen area. The police report states that Klemesrud said he let her into his apartment because she claimed to be an IRS agent, and that she went into the bathroom and began cutting herself. He also reported that she was trying to frame him in an attempt to silence Church of Scientology critic Dennis Erlich (the police report confusedly states that Klemesrud was a "critic for" Scientology). The woman's account in the police report, on the other hand, stated that they had met in a bar the previous week and she came to his apartment that evening. She stated that he loaded his shotgun when she entered the bedroom, pointed it at her, and stated, "How do you like that, I can kill anybody I want." She explained the blood as the result of a medical problem with rectal bleeding and hemorrhoids aggravated by alcohol and stress, and denied any involvement with Scientology or acquaintance with anyone in Scientology. Klemesrud says that while he originally was under the impression that she was cutting herself in the bathroom, he is now convinced that she was cutting open "a bag, bladder, or balloon nestled in her crotch" which was filled with blood and which he both saw and poked when she turned to sit on his bed and spread blood on it. He maintains that "if this is a medical problem, then she has an intestine or artery running outside her body filled with cold almost coagulated blood."

Klemesrud was arrested on a charge of assault with a deadly weapon and released on $30,000 bail the next morning, while the woman was allowed to leave the scene without any examination. A police detective was subsequently unable to contact her. The District Attorney rejected the charges, refusing to prosecute.

Dennis Erlich posted a short account of the incident to a.r.s on January 15, 1995, while another version of what happened was anonymously posted on January 23 by "-AB-." The latter posting claimed that its author "called in a very big favor owed me" to obtain the name and telephone number of the woman involved in the incident with Klemesrud, and sent "a trusted friend (aspiring investigative reporter)" to interview her. This version of the story agreed with Klemesrud's account that they had only met the evening of the incident, rather than the week before. It then goes on to claim that Klemesrud had accused her of being in the CIA, threatened her with a shotgun, demanded that she have sex with him, and repeatedly telephoned the Church of Scientology until she called 911. Klemesrud says that he called the FBI and 911 as she single-mindedly moved repeatedly between the bathroom and the bedroom and spread blood around. He grabbed his shotgun from the corner of his bedroom and placed it in the kitchen, then hid it in the closet. He says that he never mentioned the CIA, and believed her to be an IRS agent until he first saw the blood.

On January 24, the Los Angeles Times contacted Scientology for comment on the story, but the request was declined. That evening, however, the Church of Scientology's OSA faxed what was apparently a signed declaration by the woman involved to the Times. This declaration gives an account of the incident which is virtually identical to that posted by "-AB-," including the erroneous detail that Klemesrud had a 10-gauge shotgun (it was a 12-gauge, as described in the police report). No newspaper article on the incident was published.

This incident raises numerous unanswered questions: Who is "-AB-"? Where did he obtain his information? Why did the Church of Scientology later fax almost exactly the same information to the Los Angeles Times? Why did the Church of Scientology take such extreme measures to obtain "-AB-"s identity? Why would a woman with no connections to Scientology give her declaration to the Church of Scientology rather than the police?

http://www.discord.org/~lippard/skeptic/03.3.jl-jj-scientology.html

It's sure nice to see Jim Lippard pop up and bring some facts...
 

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It wouldn't surprise me if Rinder was kept in the dark on what Intell and Invest were up to in the Dirty Tricks Dept. GO compartmentalisation was pretty rigid, particularly in terms of PR and Legal types. If you don't know, you don't have to lie. Playing dumb is more convincing when it's actual.
 
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