No-sex Sea Org Policy

Demented LRH

Patron Meritorious
The rule could not be simpler: DO NOT HAVE SEX WHILE YOU ARE IN SEA ORG.
If you’re lucky to have a detachable penis, keep it in the freezer for a long, long time!

But wait -- Hubbard, in his infinite wisdom, realized that the rule is not enforceable, so he added two exceptions to it that annihilated it almost entirely.

1. You can get married Scientology-style if you have an itch, and you want your Sea Org soul mate to scratch it.

Rodney found that special someone more than once -- he was married 3 times in the course of 6 months, and was preparing for the fourth Scientology wedding when I left Sea Org. You see, Rodney needed a private room to do hanky- panky (nowadays they call it “hook up”), and his seniors were more than happy to accommodate him because he was a high-level computer programmer (database designer).
I do not know much about the Scientology wedding ceremony other than that the number of times one could get married is unlimited.

But what if rather than getting married, you are looking for one-night stands, a lot of them? Merciful Hubbard took care of that, too -- there is an HCOB called “ethics protection” by the illiterate Scientologists like me, who do not know its exact title, stating that Hubbard does not care if a Sea Org member with good stats is having sex with either non-Scientologist or fellow Sea Org staffer who also has good stats.

What if your stats are not great, but you still have the proverbial itch? You know what to do, then! No, I do not mean self-gratification, which is not really my style. I mean having sex and not letting the others know what you are doing in the shadow of Hubbard’s likeness.

My male friends knew that I thought that the sex-prohibition rule is childish, so they were describing their sex conquests to me knowing that I am not going to write silly KRs on them - men need to brag about this kind of things; bragging itself is almost as good as sex!

Down the memory lane I go.

There is plenty of sex tensions in EPF where majority of the recruits are young and in a good physical shape. My friend Edmund was the most popular EPF guy -- he was a good looking Englishman and a gentleman. He used to cringe when people cursed in his presence. Well, constant communication with me and hard EPF life cured him from that.

Almost every EPF girl wanted to date Edmund, he developed close friendships with all of them. “What do the girls say about me?”, I asked Edmund ones. He hesitated for a second and said, “Only Sally wants to be your Valentine. The others feel inadequate, they say you look like a movie star”. Well, that’s the story of my life -- women like me, but very few actually want to date me. But I digress.

Edmund and I were sitting at the table in the mess hall and drinking hot chocolade, it was late afternoon. “I need a huge favor form you”, said Edmund. I was intrigued. Usually, my fellow Sea Org members were asking favors from me when they wanted to do something illegal, such as obtaining EPF test data, a joint, going to underground casinos, etc. But Edmund was as almost unethical as I was, so I did not expect him to ask for this kind of favor from me. “My ex is coming from San Francisco, but there is this stupid no-sex policy”, said Edmund. “As if that is gonna stop you”, I said.
“It might. I may not pass the sec check”
“Your stats are better than mine. Why would they give you a sec check?”
“They do it at Flag regularly”
“What do you want me to do?”
“She might think that I’m looking for an excuse for not sleeping with her if I tell her about the policy. Could you tell her about the no-sex rule?
“I will”.
The girl did not show up. Otherwise, it would have been the weirdest conversation in my life. Three months later Edmund blew and joined her in San Francisco.

Patrick wanted Gabby so much that he told her that his stats were stellar and he had ethics protection. Gabby was not in Sea Org, she felt guilty about distracting Pat from his mission of saving the earth. “Don’t worry about that. If you would have turned him down, he would have slept with another girl”, I told Gabby.
Dana was crying on my shoulder. Patrick took advantage of her by promising to marry her. She was only 16. That made me angry at Pat.
Pat had sex with two more girls. His story was the same -- he had spectacular stats and was enjoying the ethics protection. In reality, his stats were below average. One of the girls wrote a KR on him. Pat loved Sea Org, he was planning to stay in it forever. But when he was faced with possibility of doing RPF time, he blew.

The no-sex rule was not much of a barrier for me. But I was planning to stay in Sea Org for 4-5 months only, so I did not want to start a relationship that was dead on arrival -- Sea Org members are not allowed to date outsiders. I stayed in Sea Org for 6 months.

Life in Sea Org is dull. Trying to spice it up, I designed a survey for the purpose of determining who is the best- looking girl in Sea Org. Two girls, Anne Mary and Sabrina, left competition in the dust.

Anne Mary was 22, she already spent 2 years in Sea Org. She had her own spacious office where she would sit alone all day long. It looked like she did not have a boyfriend. Guys were complaining that she is distant and cold. But when I was around she was a completely different person -- she was joking, and giggling, and flirting with me. The temptation was strong, I did not see a good reason why I should not fight it. I told my friends that I am going to ask Anne Mary out. Then I heard for the first time that she was married. It was not uncommon for CoS to break up the families by sending a spouse working overseas. I thought that Anne Mary’s husband was working in another country. Only after I left Sea Org I learned that she was married the Scientology style, her “husband” was in Big Blue, but they were leading separate lives. The stupid Scientology marriage would not have stopped me. But I thought that she was legally married, and I do not date married women.
It was too late for me to do anything -- the train had left the station. When I look back at the times I spent in Sea Org, I always think of Anne Mary. The opportunity that I missed I will never forget.

Sabrina was the smart one -- she met her future husband in Sea Org, they both left CoS and got married.

 

solo

Patron with Honors
The rule could not be simpler: DO NOT HAVE SEX WHILE YOU ARE IN SEA ORG.
If you’re lucky to have a detachable penis, keep it in the freezer for a long, long time!

But wait -- Hubbard, in his infinite wisdom, realized that the rule is not enforceable, so he added two exceptions to it that annihilated it almost entirely.

1. You can get married Scientology-style if you have an itch, and you want your Sea Org soul mate to scratch it.

Rodney found that special someone more than once -- he was married 3 times in the course of 6 months, and was preparing for the fourth Scientology wedding when I left Sea Org. You see, Rodney needed a private room to do hanky- panky (nowadays they call it “hook up”), and his seniors were more than happy to accommodate him because he was a high-level computer programmer (database designer).
I do not know much about the Scientology wedding ceremony other than that the number of times one could get married is unlimited.

But what if rather than getting married, you are looking for one-night stands, a lot of them? Merciful Hubbard took care of that, too -- there is an HCOB called “ethics protection” by the illiterate Scientologists like me, who do not know its exact title, stating that Hubbard does not care if a Sea Org member with good stats is having sex with either non-Scientologist or fellow Sea Org staffer who also has good stats.

What if your stats are not great, but you still have the proverbial itch? You know what to do, then! No, I do not mean self-gratification, which is not really my style. I mean having sex and not letting the others know what you are doing in the shadow of Hubbard’s likeness.

My male friends knew that I thought that the sex-prohibition rule is childish, so they were describing their sex conquests to me knowing that I am not going to write silly KRs on them - men need to brag about this kind of things; bragging itself is almost as good as sex!

Down the memory lane I go.

There is plenty of sex tensions in EPF where majority of the recruits are young and in a good physical shape. My friend Edmund was the most popular EPF guy -- he was a good looking Englishman and a gentleman. He used to cringe when people cursed in his presence. Well, constant communication with me and hard EPF life cured him from that.

Almost every EPF girl wanted to date Edmund, he developed close friendships with all of them. “What do the girls say about me?”, I asked Edmund ones. He hesitated for a second and said, “Only Sally wants to be your Valentine. The others feel inadequate, they say you look like a movie star”. Well, that’s the story of my life -- women like me, but very few actually want to date me. But I digress.

Edmund and I were sitting at the table in the mess hall and drinking hot chocolade, it was late afternoon. “I need a huge favor form you”, said Edmund. I was intrigued. Usually, my fellow Sea Org members were asking favors from me when they wanted to do something illegal, such as obtaining EPF test data, a joint, going to underground casinos, etc. But Edmund was as almost unethical as I was, so I did not expect him to ask for this kind of favor from me. “My ex is coming from San Francisco, but there is this stupid no-sex policy”, said Edmund. “As if that is gonna stop you”, I said.
“It might. I may not pass the sec check”
“Your stats are better than mine. Why would they give you a sec check?”
“They do it at Flag regularly”
“What do you want me to do?”
“She might think that I’m looking for an excuse for not sleeping with her if I tell her about the policy. Could you tell her about the no-sex rule?
“I will”.
The girl did not show up. Otherwise, it would have been the weirdest conversation in my life. Three months later Edmund blew and joined her in San Francisco.

Patrick wanted Gabby so much that he told her that his stats were stellar and he had ethics protection. Gabby was not in Sea Org, she felt guilty about distracting Pat from his mission of saving the earth. “Don’t worry about that. If you would have turned him down, he would have slept with another girl”, I told Gabby.
Dana was crying on my shoulder. Patrick took advantage of her by promising to marry her. She was only 16. That made me angry at Pat.
Pat had sex with two more girls. His story was the same -- he had spectacular stats and was enjoying the ethics protection. In reality, his stats were below average. One of the girls wrote a KR on him. Pat loved Sea Org, he was planning to stay in it forever. But when he was faced with possibility of doing RPF time, he blew.

The no-sex rule was not much of a barrier for me. But I was planning to stay in Sea Org for 4-5 months only, so I did not want to start a relationship that was dead on arrival -- Sea Org members are not allowed to date outsiders. I stayed in Sea Org for 6 months.

Life in Sea Org is dull. Trying to spice it up, I designed a survey for the purpose of determining who is the best- looking girl in Sea Org. Two girls, Anne Mary and Sabrina, left competition in the dust.

Anne Mary was 22, she already spent 2 years in Sea Org. She had her own spacious office where she would sit alone all day long. It looked like she did not have a boyfriend. Guys were complaining that she is distant and cold. But when I was around she was a completely different person -- she was joking, and giggling, and flirting with me. The temptation was strong, I did not see a good reason why I should not fight it. I told my friends that I am going to ask Anne Mary out. Then I heard for the first time that she was married. It was not uncommon for CoS to break up the families by sending a spouse working overseas. I thought that Anne Mary’s husband was working in another country. Only after I left Sea Org I learned that she was married the Scientology style, her “husband” was in Big Blue, but they were leading separate lives. The stupid Scientology marriage would not have stopped me. But I thought that she was legally married, and I do not date married women.
It was too late for me to do anything -- the train had left the station. When I look back at the times I spent in Sea Org, I always think of Anne Mary. The opportunity that I missed I will never forget.

Sabrina was the smart one -- she met her future husband in Sea Org, they both left CoS and got married.


omg was that rodney adams?
 

KissMyStats

Patron with Honors
My wish is that all of the new young recruits start getting it on, feel guilty of this horrible overt and blow. This would help shrink the numbers in no time. I say to
all the new SO recruits: Get It On Don't Hold Back Do What Feels Good All that testosterone shouldn't go to waste.
 

Man de la Mancha

Patron with Honors
OK, no more beating around the bush... give us all your lurid tales of out 2D in the Sea Org. If you don't want to give specifics, just give the location and whatever other details you care to divulge.

For example: "Behind Shakey's with non-staff in blue Volkswagon van"

We'll call it "ESMB Confidential".
 

asteroid

Patron with Honors
OK, no more beating around the bush... give us all your lurid tales of out 2D in the Sea Org. If you don't want to give specifics, just give the location and whatever other details you care to divulge.

For example: "Behind Shakey's with non-staff in blue Volkswagon van"

We'll call it "ESMB Confidential".

In the park between the Fort Harrison and the Sand Castle, behind some trees, after dark.

And once I got a private room in the Sand Castle: every night, when nobody else knew he was coming over.

This was 1979. I wasn't in the Sea Org. He was. I was married to someone else at the time (though a week after meeting him I declared that I was getting a divorce, and would be joining the Sea Org so we could be together).

Oh, and he was getting auditing at the time: The pilot project for clay-table de-PTSing, with LRH as the C/S for part of it. His ruds flew just fine because, he said, he took total responsibility for what we were doing.

We were comm ev'ed, for political reasons having to do with the mission we were on. (Tangent: As non-SO I should never have been on a mission, but that was the least of the problems.) During the comm ev, someone included a report that we were seen at the public laundromat holding hands *gasp*, which (the guy said sternly) could be a serious PR flap. I privately thought, "You think that in the real world, people don't hold hands? You think that would shock anybody?" but we said aloud, "That's true. We held hands." Perfectly honest. It isn't our fault that nobody followed up to ask, "And what else did you do?"

When people got in the way a few weeks later, making it clear that they wouldn't let me join the SO and be with him... we left.

Not so lurid, I'm afraid. True love. Thirty-two years later, we're still together.
 

Kutta

Silver Meritorious Patron
Oh, yummy! A true love story on ESMB!:happydance:

I especially love that you got away with it right under their noses. WOW!

And at Flag!
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
Time for an oldie but goodie.

Pete

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Scilon Love
(Tune of Muskrat Love, with apologies to
Alan Ramsey and to the Captain and Tenile)

Scilons, Scilons, what a sight,
Tryin’ so hard to make it go right,
And the reason,
Need 2D’s for pleasin’.

Scilon Susie, Scilon Sam,
Look for A-R-C out in Scilon land.
Her face is fuzzy,
Sammy’s teeth are skuzzy.

Yeah, they’re makin’ postulates go “Bingo!”
Two-way comm’n in Scilon lingo,
Breakin’ all the rules from above,
It looks like Scilon love …

With loins on fire, and mind full of sleaze,
Sammy says to Suzie,
“Honey, would you please, be my 2D?”
And she says yes, and gives up the booty …

And now he’s ticklin’ her fancy,
‘Poonin’ camel toe,
Soon straight to ethics, there both gonna go,
To K-R each other, and then seek another.

Yeah, they made their postulates go “Bingo!”
And they two-way comm’d in Scilon lingo,
But they couldn’t dodge the flak from above,
And so goes Scilon love …

La da da da da ---
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HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
One compelling reason that Ron's policy on "NO SEX" for staff members is actually a good idea.

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asteroid

Patron with Honors
Oh, yummy! A true love story on ESMB!:happydance:

You'll have trouble with this part if you reject any of the Scn tech, though --

One reason that I was ready to marry my husband a week after we met (actually 3 days afterwards; it took a few days for us to admit it to each other aloud) was that our response to meeting was recognition. The day I met him I thought, "There you are! Where have you been?"

Because we were married last time around, too -- and promised one another we'd find each other.

We missed on the first attempt, somehow. Growing up in NY, when I was 17 I spent a lot of time at the main public library, doing research for school and also just sitting on the steps, waiting... no matter how cold it was. I didn't know exactly what I was waiting for, but I sat on the steps next to the big lions for a half hour at a time, with my butt getting ice-cold. And meanwhile, he was attending school about two miles away, and regularly went for long walks... past the library.

If you reject anything to do with past lives, of course, you'll think that's ridiculous. But after we left, we went back to our home from the 1950s, and sat outside the house. And drove to friends' homes.

We loved each other enough to find each other again.

Oh yeah. True love indeed. :)
 

DagwoodGum

Squirreling Dervish
I've always found this one quite easy to decipher. If Ron couldn't participate, then by Flubberd(God), no one would be allowed to participate - as simple as that. Too bad the little blue pills hadn't come out yet and become part of the shmuck's medicine's chest because then sex would have become mandatory as a form of sexercise and part and parcel to the purif. In fact the purif would have become a gigantic viagriatic orgy whereby all restrictions on sex in all forms would not only have been abolished but required as OT10 - certainty of sex in its many forms of entrapment. :omg:
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
I've always found this one quite easy to decipher. If Ron couldn't participate, then by Flubberd(God), no one would be allowed to participate - as simple as that. Too bad the little blue pills hadn't come out yet and become part of the shmuck's medicine's chest because then sex would have become mandatory as a form of sexercise and part and parcel to the purif. In fact the purif would have become a gigantic viagriatic orgy whereby all restrictions on sex in all forms would not only have been abolished but required as OT10 - certainty of sex in its many forms of entrapment. :omg:

Viagiatric ... great new word, you should get it into the urban dictionary before someone else does! A combo of Viagra and geriatric, very hip.

Meanwhile ... back in 1999 when "The Matrix" came out, I saw that contained therein was an ad for Viagra, just by clipping a few frames ...
Cypher to Neo ... "All I see are blondes, brunettes, red heads ..."
(a few frames later)
Cypher to Neo again ... "Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill!!!"
Then the Viagra logo and graphic of the Viagra pill flashes on the screen, end of ad.

Pete
 

Man de la Mancha

Patron with Honors
Time for an oldie but goodie.

Pete

[FONT="arial"]
Scilon Love
(Tune of Muskrat Love, with apologies to
Alan Ramsey and to the Captain and Tenile)
....
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I just happen to have the "Muskrat Love" tabs, and I might have to do a remake on this one! And no, I dont' have a Captain & Tenile music book - it's the America version (just as stupid, really!).
 

asteroid

Patron with Honors
I've always found this one quite easy to decipher. If Ron couldn't participate, then by Flubberd(God), no one would be allowed to participate - as simple as that. Too bad the little blue pills hadn't come out yet and become part of the shmuck's medicine's chest because then sex would have become mandatory as a form of sexercise and part and parcel to the purif. In fact the purif would have become a gigantic viagriatic orgy whereby all restrictions on sex in all forms would not only have been abolished but required as OT10 - certainty of sex in its many forms of entrapment. :omg:

I doubt that was the problem. LRH spent several years apart from his wife (especially while she was in jail)... so by your logic the policy would be based on, "If I can't get any, YOU can't get any."

I was at Flag when the policy came down that Flag staff were not permitted to have children. If you got pregnant, you were shipped to ASHO or another Sea Org post. One of the NOTS auditors (back when there were fewer than a dozen on the planet) was furious; he marched into the MAA's office and said, "I'm going to get my wife pregnant right now!" Since NOTS was offered only at Flag, he knew that he had the upper hand in negotiating.

I never heard the end of the story, but the auditor and his wife both stayed at Flag for another 20 years. I believe they had no children, but I think (with no data to back it up) that it was a matter of their personal preference rather than policy.

Anyway the logic at that point (such as it was) was that Flag was already very crowded. Staff were bunked 6 to a room. People seemed to be motivated to get married because you'd only have to share a room with one other person. (Probably not entirely accurate, but after spending months trying to share a single closet with 5 other people I could imagine that notion being attractive.) And when you have no money, you can always screw... which meant lots of babies. With the organization busting at the seams for child care, on-site schooling (one of my friends worked with the kids... what a rotten place), people off-post for parenting time, and so on.

It was a terrible short-term answer to a bigger question that they weren't prepared to answer. And the policy obviously was further extended over the years. But it should not be not hard to predict. If you look at the history of closed societies, it's very common to control sex and access to it. All part and parcel of an organization controlling your life to the smallest degree. *shudder*
 

Man de la Mancha

Patron with Honors
It was a terrible short-term answer to a bigger question that they weren't prepared to answer. And the policy obviously was further extended over the years. But it should not be not hard to predict. If you look at the history of closed societies, it's very common to control sex and access to it. All part and parcel of an organization controlling your life to the smallest degree. *shudder*

Yes, in all seriousness, the Scn Inc policy against sex and children is and has been extremely destructive to church goals. How many staff and public have been lost because of this? And for what? The joy of watching horny people squirm?
 

asteroid

Patron with Honors
Yes, in all seriousness, the Scn Inc policy against sex and children is and has been extremely destructive to church goals. How many staff and public have been lost because of this? And for what? The joy of watching horny people squirm?

We are in complete agreement on this.

Sometimes I can take on someone's viewpoint enough to imagine why they feel/behave the way they do, even when I disagree with that viewpoint. But this is among the things that makes me say Huh?!
 

DagwoodGum

Squirreling Dervish
Viagiatric ... great new word, you should get it into the urban dictionary before someone else does! A combo of Viagra and geriatric, very hip.

Meanwhile ... back in 1999 when "The Matrix" came out, I saw that contained therein was an ad for Viagra, just by clipping a few frames ...
Cypher to Neo ... "All I see are blondes, brunettes, red heads ..."
(a few frames later)
Cypher to Neo again ... "Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill!!!"
Then the Viagra logo and graphic of the Viagra pill flashes on the screen, end of ad.

Pete
Wow Pete, you took that to new levels that I hadn't the vision to see. I guess that's how Lennon & mcCartney bounced things back and forth each time to a new height the other hadn't considered.
Hubbard was the ultimate sexual SP ...
 
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