Not everything Alanzo says is nonsense. It was said better decades ago. I've said it, off and on: The subject of Scientology has both good and bad, but I add that it's rotten at the core, and the "good" is used as bait to lure people, snag them, and then reel them in.
My take on Scientology is different from some others, but I haven't the inclination to call them "haters" or bigots." They are not, and it's cooperating with a corporate Scientology propaganda line to call critics such names.
I actually enjoyed some of Alanzo's posts (years ago) when he had something to say, rather than being a monotony-inducing, crusading, sermonizing, moralizing preacher.
I try to look at each post on its merits alone and judge each one on the content, not on whether I like or dislike the personality who posted it. I felt that way about Marty, I feel that way about Tony Ortega, Mike Rinder, Alanzo, and others. I read Tony's blog everyday for news, which he is really good at. But he's pissed me off a few times himself. Disagreement is healthy. If you're not allowed to disagree, you might be looking at a totalitarian cult.
Anyway, I never felt inclined to post comments to any of those blogs. I'll stick with ESMB.
I see they are comparing Tony Ortega's blog and ESMB to cults and it seems mainly to be based on the fact that these places contain groups of like-minded people (as do all blogs and message boards).
Just because there is a general mood on these sites towards certain subjects doesn't mean you can't express a contrary opinion. Anyone can express almost any opinion they like but the trick is to step away once the heat starts coming at you. The people who get banned tend to be the ones who stir up the majority of members and keep doing it until the mods have to step in.
A cult is something entirely different.
In the event there would be such ''haters'' they talk about (which I don't know who it is supposed to be..since it looks like a generality) ..it's not a a characteristic that makes ESMB stands out..what makes ESMB stands out is the HUMOUR and OPEN MIND to all views and opinions.
I don't remember the two banning incidents particularly, but I would guess that it had to do with abusiveness or violating the rules, and not because he said things the mods disagreed with.
I haven't seen anyone being banned from ESMB for saying something "disagreeable".
ANSWER: Alanzo has clearly identified ESMB's #1 "hater" and #1 "biggest asshole", even dedicating entire blog essays to his scholarly search to find and "declare" the most evil, mentally ill and corrupt person on ESMB. I am extremely proud to share a huge win--that HelluvaHoax! won in all categories! LOL. No, I am not joking.
EXPLANATION: Alanzo hates Tony O, Karen, Mike Rinder, Chris Shelton and any other ex-Scn critic that has a base of people who read their writing. In Hubbardian tradition, Alanzo believes that by "attacking" the competition (e.g. Hubbard's half-century of crazed paranoid attacks on psychs and mental health professionals) he will troll his way to Total Readership, LOL.
It's so stunned to read that Hoaxyboy!
I recal few years ago you were ''identifyied'': The ESMB guru
then last year : The clown (which I find is correct though since you fulfill your duties quite well )
So now you were nominated the most corrupt, mentally ill and evil ?????
One thing that must be made clear; This is not name calling, this is not to introvert you, this is not hate,
this is an indication that pretend to be the correct one, in order for y ou to resolve your case and ethics situation.
But, in the event you find yourself in deep despair at this moment, (because you don't understand how and why you pulled it in...) please received this piece of gem to comfort you
and for you not to make your mind drawn into a stucked needle : feel there is hope for mentally ill people like you Hoaxy...
You know, till you remain theta...you can postulate beautiful ARC with Alanzo and friends, so we can all see what your degraded mind, clothes, words, laughter, all hide... a beautifull tiny one dry seed of a huge thetan to grow and flourish...may people arose this tiny seed of thetaness in you,
Then, you , Hoaxy will bloom in a wonderfull big theta thetan and no more hate you will ever spread again, no more enturbulation you will ever create again in the peacefuly harmonious $cientology planet LRH devoted his life to make expand and grow
May you put your ethics and make $cientology great again!
Remember if you don't feel good you can call me, I'll fly your ruds!
From memory, he went on and on and on and on being critical about and abusive to Emma, and in the end she decided sainthood (hers) had its limits and it just wasn't worth the hassle any more. I would have kicked his ass off the board ages before she did.
both Alanzo and Lone Star caused themselves to be banned on purpose, they both know the rules damn well.
Alanzo makes it sound like he was banned for voicing an opinion and Andy has fallen for it as well as others who agree with Alanzo.
Maybe it's because Alanzo, Lone Star, Andy and others don't quite understand Ad Hom. There is fine line and can be tricky and not understood. Or maybe Alanzo is trapping people?
Now consider there is lots of ad hom against or made to Hubbard or scientology or DM. IE he was just a pulp fiction writer, a science fiction writer, failed at college, didn't pay his bills, locked kids in chain lockers, all the bad things Hubbard did, etc.
Oh, and what about DM and the hole and his army of lawyers & PI's?
But the topic or argument is scientology/dianetics. Is what Hubbard wrote the truth or not, regardless of his past bad deeds?
From my experience, no the truth written by Hubbard is not truth, for there are no "clears" or "OT's". It's fraud, out-exchange and a rip-off and a false faith or religion.
I don't care about the good in scientology that trapped us, the big picture is this so called religion is bogus as the only logic I'm using is that there are no clears or OT's.
I am in 100% disagreement with Alanzo and Lone Star, I will not forward or contribute to debate scientology in any way shape or form on Alanzos blog, it was fun for awhile, but I changed my mind. This does not mean I hate Alanzo, Lone Star or others but I don't want to give them the opportunity to debate. eh, I changed my mind on my god given right to communicate when and where and on what I wish to do.
No doubt Alanzo will give me the label of anti scientology fanatic or even being tribal. LOL
Lone Star, you agreed in your reply to me on Alanzo blog, that there are no clears or OT's. Do you really think it's OK to let people read and study LRH books, lectures, training, auditing for a long time whether in the corporate COS or Indie for a false purpose or false belief or even right as a citizen to believe in a false outcome of clear or OT?
You and Alanzo and other ex's who post there are forwarding a delusion created by Hubbard and delusional thinking of clear and OT.