Nolch&Alanzo on Scn haters

CommunicatorIC

@IndieScieNews on Twitter
The reason to take Andy Nolch seriously and not treat him like a fucking joke.

As I indicated above above, anyone who talks about putting others in concentration camps and killing them should be treated seriously, and not like a fucking joke. I want to elaborate.

As noted in a comment on Tony's blog and on WWP, Jamie DeWolf posted this on his Facebook page:

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EYES OPEN: For all my friends and collective performance family, something you need to know.

I just got the disturbing news that a private investigator showed up at the front door of my ex girlfriend's house. I haven't seen her in almost ten years. He had a cover story about "representing parents of kids I may work with", asking if I'm a violent person, what are my 'past crimes', drug use, if I made adult films and even why we broke up, all under the guise of seeing if I was 'safe around children'. My ex is a special ed teacher and was trying to be helpful, defending me, thinking it was some extreme background check.

I had to break it to her that there are no parents, no kids and no background check. This was Scientology tactics 101, they've done this before the first time they came after me: cover story, invasive questions, all on a dirt digging mission. Sometimes the PI's don't even know who they work for. They either got sloppy or are trying to threaten me. Either way, ya'll need to know they're moving against me with the ultimate goal being some sort of frame up/ public smear campaign/ or worse. This is not paranoia, this is how they operate. As to why now? There's a lot going on behind the scenes. They probably want to take me out in whatever way before I can be more public about it. Research Paulette Cooper. There's a long list. I've been stalked by them before and have it on camera. I may be a walking bullseye, but they'll have to pull the trigger with everyone watching.

1) To all my arts community nation-wide: If someone is asking about me, no matter if they say it's the friggin' NY Times for a 'story', or a documentary, ask for an ID first, and please let me know ASAP so I can check them out in detail. They'll never identify themselves as a member, it will always have a cover story that sounds benign. You don't need to be scared of them, just take their info. If they show up at your house, take a picture of their license plate if you can. And ask them to leave. You don't have to answer anything ever.

2) I ain't scared of those sneaky slime-bags. I put my dirt in my life on stage and in performance. Trying to 'smear' a guy who writes true stories about drugs/suicide/sex while also performing in a clown troupe, hosting circus shows and being an out-loud idiot who will do anything for a laugh is the best they got. Doesn't matter if you like my art in anyway or don't like my sense of humor. I yam what I yam.

But you know what I don't do? Run a cult that devours families. You know what I haven't done? Blood sex magic rituals to bring about the end of the world and give me dominion over mankind. I don't know that magic trick. You know what else I don't do? Lie about my entire past and make myself a hero out of ashes so I can bleed you for money. Whatever dirty bomb you wanna lob at me, my great grand-dad did dirtier. And hey, being a rogue runs in the family. At least I can own my actions. L. Ron never could.

3) If something weird happens to me anytime soon from my car going off the road, to suddenly a half kilo of cocaine and bag of kiddie porn in my trunk, don't buy it for a second. I've been touring, performing and teaching for 20 years. I've worked in over 150 high schools, have gone through dozens of background checks and worked in prisons. It's a little late in the game if their angle is to make me some new criminal. When the inevitable hate website/smear campaign jumps up, ask why all of the sudden after 20 years I'm causing a new outrage.

4) And to the OSA agents no doubt reading all of this, I honestly feel sorry for you that you dedicate millions of dollars and hours to investigate me and anyone else that speaks out against the cult, without taking even an hour to investigate my great gandfather or your current leader. Ask yourself why his own blood family would speak out against them. Trust me, my life is a happy art explosion without that shadow over me. But these tactics only harden my resolve. And you ain't gonna keep punking people in the shadows and scaring us. You know where I live. Feel free to come by anytime.

5) And to anyone who thinks I milk this for 'fame' or 'money' has never had longer then a five minute conversation with me or been to any of my shows. My life is perfectly happy without this poison. It's a dark cesspool of misery, paranoia and all out awful to go near. You don't get to pick your family. The fact is, I was born into this and refuse to be bullied into silence. They've been getting away with it all for too long. And finally the world is starting to understand how dangerous they truly are and have always been. Truth will out. And empires fall.

* * * * * END QUOTATION * * * *

What does this have to do with Andy Nolch? It is relevant for the following reasons.

In the end of the day, evil is not done by organizations. It is in the end of the day evil is done by individuals. An INDIVIDUAL lies, smears, defames, harasses, attacks.

In the past evil was done by some of us. As individuals

The point is that someone like Andy Nolch who talks about how it would be "so much better" if certain people were put in concentration camps and killed will have NO problem running or participating in the ops against Jamie, and others, that Jamie describes.

Anyone who has adopted such an ends justify the means philosophy is dangerous. And should be taken seriously.
 
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I told you I was trouble

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Alanzo,

I agree with much of what you say (I thought I'd get that out of the way) and always have, but why do you feel the urge to go after specific people so viciously? How does that make you any better than the people you are chasing down?

By all means have a go at "ESMB" in a general sense if you feel the need (generalities are quite acceptable in the real world) but why are you targeting people who (while not necessarily perfect) have done so much and are still doing so much to keep the spotlight on a greedy, ruthless cult?

I don't get it and I never have.
 

Gib

Crusader
Re: Who are the psychs?

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:hysterical:


I listened to the first 07:53 of that while I was waiting for my fresh-ground French Press coffee to reach the nirvana pouring point.

HolyHell, that was sheer torture! LOL.

Nonetheless, I have emerged a profoundly more enlightened and able man. . .

MAJOR WINS:


  • The guy must have used the word "right?" to punctuate the end of every sentence at least 75,000,000 times! Either he's celebrating Xenu History Week or the guy is frightfully insecure about the preposterous poop he is making up.
  • I had a huge cognition at one point. If you substitute the oversized microphone in his hand with an oversized whiskey tumbler, it all makes sense. The guy is an obnoxious drunk sitting next to you in a bar, obsessively & incoherently rambling crazy stuff--just moments before security guards surround him and order him to stop drinking and STFU or they are going to throw him out.
  • The guy apparently has an "MU" on the "MU" tech; because, he re-defines the word "psych" with "verbal data" that is in complete contradiction to what appears in any dictionary. ("Hey, Ron didn't really mean 'psych' when he said 'psych', right? What Ron really meant was not-a-psych, right? So, when you hear or read Ron talking about wholetrack 'psychs' he was talking about anyone in history who might have done or thought something that wasn't ideal, right? So, a 'psych' could really be anybody who did anything, right? So, obviously Ron was right, right?")
  • At first I kept thinking there is something really--off--about him delivering spiritual salvation technology to save the world--while wearing a bathrobe. But then I realized I could use my OT abilities to mock-up him additionally wearing an ascot and cowboy hat just like our Commodore--so then the bathrobe didn't hang up my attention units, right?
  • Right?

old salesman trick to get the customer to agree, right. LOL

Hey wait a minute, reality is agreement, right :yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

In watching the Alanzo Andy vid, Alanzo was a :yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes: and occasionally a :no::no::no: only still in agreement with Andy saying no to something. Could it be tribal?


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PS if nobody clicks on like or thank you, or laugh, I'm sending you all to qual for correction, right!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Alanzo,

I agree with much of what you say (I thought I'd get that out of the way) and always have, but why do you feel the urge to go after specific people so viciously? How does that make you any better than the people you are chasing down?

By all means have a go at "ESMB" in a general sense if you feel the need (generalities are quite acceptable in the real world) but why are you targeting people who (while not necessarily perfect) have done so much and are still doing so much to keep the spotlight on a greedy, ruthless cult?

I don't get it and I never have.

That assumes that there is something to get.

Even back in the day--before Alanzo was banned twice from ESMB, recall that he would periodically erupt in what was humorously/generously referred to by others as a "crusade".

Each crusade pitted Alanzo as the hero of goodness vs. the dark forces on this internet/planet. It was not of any particular consequence WHO was the source of evil because on any given day, if you recall, it could well be Hubbard or Miscavige or Rathbun or Karen or Emma or ESMB members who were alleged to be covert OSA agents.

Nobody (then) ever understood why he would start or end those rants. They made no sense and he was fully unwilling or unable to answer very specific questions that called for him to give facts/proof for his moralistic sermonizing and recriminations.

When he got banned (both times) it became quite apparent that Alanzo has some real problems, degenerate trolling only being the most obvious.

Beyond that (reading his posts and bans on other web forums) and now reading some of his own blog's attacks on (Tony Ortega, Karen, Mike Rinder, Leah Remini, Chris Shelton, et al...) another thing becomes glaringly evident: FOR ALANZO, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE "GREEDY RUTHLESS CULT". IT NEVER WAS. THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIM.

Ergo, all the senseless crusades, vicious rants, unhinged trolling attacks & incessant virtue signaling are rather easily explained.

Thus, was it ever so.

Please send your donations in to the Church of Hoaxology--we are saving up enough to install Baroque-aged Italian marble in all of Don Hubbard's RCLs (Rehabilitation Chain Lockers) in order to give better service to our VIP parishioners.
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!


Alanzo,

I agree with much of what you say (I thought I'd get that out of the way) and always have, but why do you feel the urge to go after specific people so viciously? How does that make you any better than the people you are chasing down?

By all means have a go at "ESMB" in a general sense if you feel the need (generalities are quite acceptable in the real world) but why are you targeting people who (while not necessarily perfect) have done so much and are still doing so much to keep the spotlight on a greedy, ruthless cult?

I don't get it and I never have.

Oups..

very soon to come:

[video]https://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE[/video]

Hitting the same nails again and again and again is really boring for the audience
But in another way..hitting all nails looks like an OCD and is annoying :confused2:
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Re: Who are the psychs?

Listen to and through 32:55 where he says that the world would be "so much better" if "psychs" were put in concentration camps and killed. Not so hysterical.

I've learned not to make light of people who talk about putting others in concentration camps and killing them. Such people are not a joke.


Thanks, at your suggestion, I just listened to that two-minute rant.

It took me a LOT to hang in there for an additional 2 minutes because he used the word "RIGHT?" so many times I thought maybe he was parodying himself, right? But he wasn't, right? He's that self-unaware, right?

Oooookay, he did say that sociopathic shit as you indicated, right?

Hard to know if he is insane or a troll or both, right?

If I was still a Case Supervisor handling his case, I would enter this as his next session action:

1. FLY A RUD IF NO F/N

2. R-FACTOR PC THAT HIS C/S HAS CONCLUDED THAT HE IS FUCKING INSANE.

3. Using references to LRH policy about not treating the insane, let him know that he is, therefore, an "illegal PC" and can no longer receive any auditing. Have him clay demo how his previous auditing actually helped him go insane--and how permanently stopping his auditing is a good thing.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
That assumes that there is something to get.

Even back in the day--before Alanzo was banned twice from ESMB, recall that he would periodically erupt in what was humorously/generously referred to by others as a "crusade".

Each crusade pitted Alanzo as the hero of goodness vs. the dark forces on this internet/planet. It was not of any particular consequence WHO was the source of evil because on any given day, if you recall, it could well be Hubbard or Miscavige or Rathbun or Karen or Emma or ESMB members who were alleged to be covert OSA agents.

Nobody (then) ever understood why he would start or end those rants. They made no sense and he was fully unwilling or unable to answer very specific questions that called for him to give facts/proof for his moralistic sermonizing and recriminations.

When he got banned (both times) it became quite apparent that Alanzo has some real problems, degenerate trolling only being the most obvious.

Beyond that (reading his posts and bans on other web forums) and now reading some of his own blog's attacks on (Tony Ortega, Karen, Mike Rinder, Leah Remini, Chris Shelton, et al...) another thing becomes glaringly evident: FOR ALANZO, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE "GREEDY RUTHLESS CULT". IT NEVER WAS. THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIM.

Ergo, all the senseless crusades, vicious rants, unhinged trolling attacks & incessant virtue signaling are rather easily explained.

Thus, was it ever so.

Please send your donations in to the Church of Hoaxology--we are saving up enough to install Baroque-aged Italian marble in all of Don Hubbard's RCLs (Rehabilitation Chain Lockers) in order to give better service to our VIP parishioners.


I really don't want to agree with you on this but it's hard not to because I think you're right.

It's just all so pointless ... all this "he said/she said" between exes, exes who do know what the cofs is really all about ... I just wish we had (all exes) managed to stay on the same page (or at least in the same library!) more often because we would have been so much more effective.

It bothers me that non scientologists (never ins) will read these message boards and just see a load of infighting and completely turn off ... I know I would.


:)
 

HelluvaHoax!

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It bothers me that non scientologists (never ins) will read these message boards and just see a load of infighting and completely turn off ... I know I would.
:)

Well, these days pretty much everyone on the internet/TV is just checking things out with short-attention-span channel flipping. Most everyone is just looking for something fascinating or fun. I doubt anyone other than hardcore posting members even notice all the internecine gossipy stuff. They probably just think "WTF?" and click on another thread that has more juicy, fascinating gossip. LOL

So, I don't think anyone is turned off by anything. They are just looking for the cult's mendacious mojo to mirthfully marvel at. Well, that's why I'm here, anyways.

And of course to hang with way cool people like you and our friends here.

Just think of it like everyone is a kid at a "3 RING CIRCUS". Some like watching lions leaping through big hoops, some kids are watching the 2nd ring where acrobatic jugglers are keeping dozens of flaming bowling pins aloft--and yet other kids are watching dozens of festive clowns exiting a Volkswagen.

Scientology is kinda like that. A SURREAL 12 RING CIRCUS.

Fun place to watch!
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
Well, these days pretty much everyone on the internet/TV is just checking things out with short-attention-span channel flipping. Most everyone is just looking for something fascinating or fun. I doubt anyone other than hardcore posting members even notice all the gossipy stuff. They probably just think "WTF?" and click on another thread that has more juicy gossip. LOL

So, I don't think anyone is turned off by anything. They are just looking for the cult's mendacious mojo to mirthfully marvel at. Well, that's why I'm here, anyways.

And of course to hang with way cool people like you and our friends here.

Just think of it like everyone is a kid at a "3 RING CIRCUS". Some like watching lions leaping through big hoops, some kids are watching the 2nd ring where acrobatic jugglers are keeping dozens of flaming bowling pins aloft--and yet other kids are watching dozens of festive clowns exiting a Volkswagen.

Scientology is kinda like that. A SURREAL 12 RING CIRCUS.

Fun place to watch!



Lol, yeah ... you're probably right.

Maybe it's time (for me) to lighten up and just enjoy what we have here again, because it's pretty cool (and Glenda came back today!).


:biggrin:
 

Glenda

Crusader
Lol, yeah ... you're probably right.

Maybe it's time (for me) to lighten up and just enjoy what we have here again, because it's pretty cool (and Glenda came back today!).


:biggrin:

Hello. How are you? How's things? Good to see the board is still alive and well. :biggrin:

I sensed my name had been written (spooky) and given I was raised to be polite (at all times, which has never actually been all that useful), I thought I should probably write something.

It's been a lovely day here. I fell asleep watching a documentary. Luxury.

Am I a scientology-hater? Gosh am I capable of hating? It's got me thinking. Ow!!! That hurt.

Is it okay if I just post Village People vids? :wink2:
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
Lol, yeah ... you're probably right.

Maybe it's time (for me) to lighten up and just enjoy what we have here again, because it's pretty cool (and Glenda came back today!).


:biggrin:

Yes I too noticed it. :yes:

See..

We're already prepared to switch to chocolate, alcohol and sex again

since Glenda chick is baaaaaaaack :happydance:
(I think Hoaxyboy is right on the ''channel switching'' and the circus thing (I don't get it, but since he is the clown in chief..he must know it though)

:)
 

CommunicatorIC

@IndieScieNews on Twitter
Re: Who are the psychs?

Oooookay, he did say that sociopathic shit as you indicated, right?

Hard to know if he is insane or a troll or both, right?
No, not right. It is not difficult to know. At all.

I watched and listened to the entire thing. Every second. Andy is not trolling. He believes what he says. He is serious.

He should be taken seriously.
 
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Glenda

Crusader
Yes I too noticed it. :yes:

See..

We're already prepared to switch to chocolate, alcohol and sex again

since Glenda chick is baaaaaaaack :happydance:
(I think Hoaxyboy is right on the ''channel switching'' and the circus thing (I don't get it, but since he is the clown in chief..he must know it though)

:)

Hello. How are you? Always nice to see your words about chocolate, alcohol and sex. :)
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
I am doing fine Glenda,

But sincerely,

My time on ESMB was not funny as it used to be when you were here :unsure:
I was missing your threads, topics, chats, and laughters :bigcry:

(I just asked you on another thread if you were doing fine...lol)

I am very glad to see you Glenda!
Obviously, Mrs Trouble too is!

:yes:
 

Glenda

Crusader
I am doing fine Glenda,

But sincerely,

My time on ESMB was not funny as it used to be when you were here :unsure:
I was missing your threads, topics, chats, and laughters :bigcry:

(I just asked you on another thread if you were doing fine...lol)

I am very glad to see you Glenda!
Obviously, Miss trouble too is!

:yes:

I have some stickers. Would you like one? Don't ask. A dear little boy I know gives them to me and basically I have regressed to about four-years-old. Most of my stickers are of planes or trains.

Shall we start a thread and get all silly? We can have some serious moments too. :)
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
I have some stickers. Would you like one? Don't ask. A dear little boy I know gives them to me and basically I have regressed to about four-years-old. Most of my stickers are of planes or trains.

Shall we start a thread and get all silly? We can have some serious moments too. :)


:lol:

It's so funny you mention that!
You won't believe me but I just had a chat with a friend of mine..about our age.
She admitted to me she is buying kids stuf images too..and she doesn't have a clue why!

The funny thing is that I do that too.
Yes I collect small kids stickers too blush:

You have a follower here for a 4 years old thread.. I 'll be very happy & comfortabel with that topic :happydance:

But actually , it's better for you to collect ''girly'' stickers as you will avoid any videos made about you , imitating your masculine deep and manly voice ... because of the train stickers...Seee???

Train stickers are for Lesbians
Girly stickers are for heterosexual feminin chicks


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Glenda

Crusader
Re: Who are the psychs?

No, not right. It is not difficult to know. At all.

I watched and listened to the entire thing. Every second Andy is not trolling. He believes what he says. He is serious.

He should be taken seriously.

I am being serious here.

I watched the whole vid too. I have a fairly good understanding of humans - I just tend to come across as an air-head but really I know how to tie my own shoelaces and stuff like that. Okay so having established my credentials without letting my ego slap everyone around...

What shall we do to take him seriously? Write to his main care-giver person and ask them to rein him in? I agree the man has some scary beliefs. Bit like the man I met recently who thought all (name a group of people other than his racial group) should all be shot. I felt like hitting the moronic man. Racism makes my blood boil.

What do you mean when you say we should take Andy seriously? I can't take anyone with bullshit ideas like him (and the bloke I mentioned above) seriously. Sometimes laughter helps ease the sheer discomfort that the truly nutty inflict. I refuse to lose any sleep over the naturally cruel. I refuse to give up my joy to the losers of this world who delight in inflicting pain on others. Been there, done that, over it.

This does not mean for one second that I am not familiar or aware of the worst kind of human behaviour. I am. And that is a long story for another day.
 

Glenda

Crusader
:lol:

It's so funny you mention that!
You won't believe me but I just had a chat with a friend of mine..aboutour age.
She admitted to me she is buying kids stuf images too..and she doesn't have a clue why!

The funny thing is that I do that too.
Yes I collect small kids stickers too blush:

You have a foloower here of a 4 years old thread.. I 'll be very happy with that :happydance:

For you , it's better to collect ''girly'' stickers as you will avoid any videos made about you , imitating your masculine deep and manly voice ... because of the train stickers...Seee???

stk27.gif

Lol. I love those stickers.

Let's do it! I'll tell you all about My Little Pony. I have pics and everything. So much fun! :):):)

Will go start a thread now...
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
I have some stickers. Would you like one? Don't ask. A dear little boy I know gives them to me and basically I have regressed to about four-years-old. Most of my stickers are of planes or trains.

Shall we start a thread and get all silly? We can have some serious moments too. :)


Yes! Lets do that (but not right now, I'm having one of those days where I am trying to do six things all at once and I need to concentrate on at least one of em!).

It's lovely to see you though ...


:biggrin:
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
:lol:

It's so funny you mention that!
You won't believe me but I just had a chat with a friend of mine..aboutour age.
She admitted to me she is buying kids stuf images too..and she doesn't have a clue why!


The funny thing is that I do that too.
Yes I collect small kids stickers too blush:

You have a foloower here of a 4 years old thread.. I 'll be very happy with that :happydance:

For you , it's better to collect ''girly'' stickers as you will avoid any videos made about you , imitating your masculine deep and manly voice ... because of the train stickers...Seee???

stk27.gif


:nervous:

You promised you wouldn't tell!
 
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