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vumba

Danielle Chamberlin
I would be interested to know how people found dealing with entering into new relationships with people who have never been involved in Scientology before on a 2D basis? I actually found strength in my first non-Scn relationship with a guy who was very earthbound and solid. He was not at all spiritual and was exactly what I needed at the time, just newly out of Scn and the S.O. I learned to drive, earn my own money (more money than I had ever had in Scn for a lot less hours), travel on the underground, visit foreign countries etc. etc. After about 6 years or so, I grew out of the relationship and moved on again, but I can see that this had been a very valuable relationship, and important in my grounding.:hattip:
 

johnAnchovie

Still raging
I would be interested to know how people found dealing with entering into new relationships with people who have never been involved in Scientology before on a 2D basis? I actually found strength in my first non-Scn relationship with a guy who was very earthbound and solid. He was not at all spiritual and was exactly what I needed at the time, just newly out of Scn and the S.O. I learned to drive, earn my own money (more money than I had ever had in Scn for a lot less hours), travel on the underground, visit foreign countries etc. etc. After about 6 years or so, I grew out of the relationship and moved on again, but I can see that this had been a very valuable relationship, and important in my grounding.:hattip:

Having lived as an SO slave for 22 year in what can best be described as an emotional and sexual desert, where one was taught to hate the body, hate the self really. I am forced to admit that I was very messed up in this (and other) areas of life. I went through, once I had rediscovered the will to live, some several relationships in very short order. I hit gold eventually just under five years ago and have been in a loving, though oft times challenging relationship ever since.

I was quite taken aback as to how ignorant the scientologist really is about such things as human companionship, compassion and both emotional and sexual love. - I should really say how ignorant I was, but then I had been studying under Hubbard, the master of human psychology for 22 years, and I was still pig ignorant, thus I draw the conclusion that the majority of scientologists may well be in the same boat.

I have matured and grown as a human being thanks to my wonderful woman, these years have almost made up for those that I lost to Hubbard and Miscavaige cult. Here is to many more good years together...
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
I would be interested to know how people found dealing with entering into new relationships with people who have never been involved in Scientology before on a 2D basis? I actually found strength in my first non-Scn relationship with a guy who was very earthbound and solid. He was not at all spiritual and was exactly what I needed at the time, just newly out of Scn and the S.O. I learned to drive, earn my own money (more money than I had ever had in Scn for a lot less hours), travel on the underground, visit foreign countries etc. etc. After about 6 years or so, I grew out of the relationship and moved on again, but I can see that this had been a very valuable relationship, and important in my grounding.:hattip:

I have been married to my husband for 9 years, together for a little over 10. He's never been involved in Scientology and essentially knew nothing at all about it until he met me.

I think it's different with every relationship, but for me it's been good and bad.

Good because it has helped a lot to totally pull me out of the Scn mindset. He's kind of "old school" and very family oriented. He makes a big deal out of holidays, always sends his nieces and nephews birthday cards, really pushes me to help my aging mother, etc. The kind of stuff that no one cared about in Scientology. So it's kind of gotten me back into the game of being a regular person.

The bad part is that 14 years in the SO has had a huge effect on me and he doesn't understand a lot of stuff that I think another ex would understand about why I am how I am. Like, why I don't make a big deal out of holidays and why I'm not really close to my family. And why I don't care about a lot of things that he does.

There are definitely times when I wish I was with another ex. But there are also times I'm very glad I'm not.
 

vumba

Danielle Chamberlin
Having lived as an SO slave for 22 year in what can best be described as an emotional and sexual desert, where one was taught to hate the body, hate the self really. I am forced to admit that I was very messed up in this (and other) areas of life. I went through, once I had rediscovered the will to live, some several relationships in very short order. I hit gold eventually just under five years ago and have been in a loving, though oft times challenging relationship ever since.

I was quite taken aback as to how ignorant the scientologist really is about such things as human companionship, compassion and both emotional and sexual love. - I should really say how ignorant I was, but then I had been studying under Hubbard, the master of human psychology for 22 years, and I was still pig ignorant, thus I draw the conclusion that the majority of scientologists may well be in the same boat.

I have matured and grown as a human being thanks to my wonderful woman, these years have almost made up for those that I lost to Hubbard and Miscavaige cult. Here is to many more good years together...

Hi, and thanks for your reply. I get what you mean. I must admit, apart from the awful rape incident which I mention in my story write-up, I was lucky enough to have a couple of relationships when I was in the S.O. with men who had their heads screwed on, and this helped. By the same token, so much was disallowed and I can see that a pressure cooker of testosterone driven need was boiling under the surface, so it was of little surprise when every now and then people got into trouble for doing what was completely and totally natural !!

So glad you found a loving relationship. It warms the cockles.:yes:
 

vumba

Danielle Chamberlin
I have been married to my husband for 9 years, together for a little over 10. He's never been involved in Scientology and essentially knew nothing at all about it until he met me.

I think it's different with every relationship, but for me it's been good and bad.

Good because it has helped a lot to totally pull me out of the Scn mindset. He's kind of "old school" and very family oriented. He makes a big deal out of holidays, always sends his nieces and nephews birthday cards, really pushes me to help my aging mother, etc. The kind of stuff that no one cared about in Scientology. So it's kind of gotten me back into the game of being a regular person.

The bad part is that 14 years in the SO has had a huge effect on me and he doesn't understand a lot of stuff that I think another ex would understand about why I am how I am. Like, why I don't make a big deal out of holidays and why I'm not really close to my family. And why I don't care about a lot of things that he does.

There are definitely times when I wish I was with another ex. But there are also times I'm very glad I'm not.

I find this interesting because there have been times when having a partner who had been involved would have been good for me, as well as the other end of the spectrum, where my partner who helped with my grounding hadn't been.

There is someone on this site who dated me a couple of times, and if he reads this, he may remember saying to me that he didn't think the relationship with the "Grounding" guy wouldn't work out. He was right, but by the same token he was exactly what I needed at the time.

What I have found is that the guys who haven't been involved with Scn before don't tend to dwell on the stuff that happened to me for too long, so to that degree don't go into agreement with it all and it helps to put things into perspective. However, sometimes it is good to talk about it with someone who has been through it, and that is why I am enjoying being here on ESMB. :eek:)
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
Having a relationship with a Scientologist also means that you are "having a relationship" with the org's staff who are "handling" that Scientologist. '

And you are also having a romantic relationship with Int Management.

And an intimate one with with Ron.

Sexy, isn't it?
 

vumba

Danielle Chamberlin
Having a relationship with a Scientologist also means that you are "having a relationship" with the org's staff who are "handling" that Scientologist. '

And you are also having a romantic relationship with Int Management.

And an intimate one with with Ron.

Sexy, isn't it?

Ummmmm hummmmmm yummy, what a prospect! LOL !!!! I haven't stopped giggling yet. Great concept.:biggrin::roflmao:
 

Terril park

Sponsor
I have been married to my husband for 9 years, together for a little over 10. He's never been involved in Scientology and essentially knew nothing at all about it until he met me.

I think it's different with every relationship, but for me it's been good and bad.

Good because it has helped a lot to totally pull me out of the Scn mindset. He's kind of "old school" and very family oriented. He makes a big deal out of holidays, always sends his nieces and nephews birthday cards, really pushes me to help my aging mother, etc. The kind of stuff that no one cared about in Scientology. So it's kind of gotten me back into the game of being a regular person.

The bad part is that 14 years in the SO has had a huge effect on me and he doesn't understand a lot of stuff that I think another ex would understand about why I am how I am. Like, why I don't make a big deal out of holidays and why I'm not really close to my family. And why I don't care about a lot of things that he does.

There are definitely times when I wish I was with another ex. But there are also times I'm very glad I'm not.

Hey Lulu,
One of, if not my favorite poster.

All you say makes sense and is usefull. Everything.

Been married for 20+ years to a non scientologist.
Family oriented in spades. She's a Philipino.

And recently found out an Excorsist assistent.

Love you :)
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Hey Lulu,
One of, if not my favorite poster.

All you say makes sense and is usefull. Everything.

Been married for 20+ years to a non scientologist.
Family oriented in spades. She's a Philipino.

And recently found out an Excorsist assistent.

Love you :)

Thanks, Terril. I appreciate that.

Your wife assists in doing exorcisms; is that what you're saying?
 

DagwoodGum

Squirreling Dervish
I prefer being married to a non $cilon. Nothing worse than feeling trapped in a bad relationship with another sililarly entrapped being as the shackles are so insidous and stangling that what starts out as double your pleasure quickly can become double your trouble.
 

exthetan

Patron
Hi Vumba,

I get what you are saying.

I met my wife nearly 28 years ago. I've now been married for 27 of those and don't regret a day (I'm not sure she would say the same :eye roll:). She and her family are strict catholics and never knew Scn. They were open enough to understand that Scn was my religion and were very tolerant. When I later gave Scn away they accepted that too. So I've been blessed.

I believe that there really isn't any set formula for a successful relationship. Whether of Scn background or not, if it works then cherish it.

May you know only the very best of people.
 

Petey C

Silver Meritorious Patron
The first relationship I had straight out of Scn was to a non-Scio. He was a new immigrant to Australia; I was newly "in the world" after eight years in the Scio monastery. He was a scientist, hyper-rational, very European, quite open emotionally, absolutely gorgeous looking (I had to include that as he was truly one of the most beautiful men I'd ever seen), and very warm. Also quite formal. An only child, and sent as the advance guard to migrate to Australia by his elderly medico parents. He was an absolute treasure as through him I relearned how to be in the world, how to enjoy food and wine and the other material pleasures of life, to cherish another person, to be a sexual being again, to enjoy. He was also quite argumentative, and debates with him were often fiery. Mainly, he was deeply interested in what I had undergone and we spent many hours talking about it. It was a revelation to me that one could say things that were contentious, disputatious, unpleasant, complex -- and still survive.

We remained together five years and I was the one to walk away, for reasons that then seemed sensible but in retrospect seem -- WTF? I still think of him with great love and gratitude. And I hope I was as good for him as he was for me.

Anyhow, after a few years I met the guy I am now married to; we've been together pretty much since the evening we met and married 18 years. He's not a Scio either. Luckily for him I'd "run out" most of my angst by the time we met, though I can still surprise him with a story from the past. We chose and continue to choose each other and it's been a wonderful relationship for us both.

In Scio I had one short relationship that ended when he blew (though we are still friends now) and one very short marriage that was a disaster. (Sorry, PGB, if you're reading this, but you'd probably agree anyway.) I've never chosen on the basis of ex-ness but rather on love (and, it must be said, lust!).
 
Hey Lulu,
One of, if not my favorite poster.

All you say makes sense and is usefull. Everything.

Been married for 20+ years to a non scientologist.
Family oriented in spades. She's a Philipino.

And recently found out an Excorsist assistent.

Love you :)

You mean you found out she's an assistant to a Philipino-culture exorcist?

Or she found out that she, by being married to you, is an exorcist assistant?
 

Gadfly

Crusader
You mean you found out she's an assistant to a Philipino-culture exorcist?

Or she found out that she, by being married to you, is an exorcist assistant?

:hysterical:

(Note: technically speaking, anybody who audits OT III or above is "exorcising demons" - in a matter of speaking - getting the little thetans to "blow" and head off to pick up a new body)
 

Boojuum

Silver Meritorious Patron
I started a 2D relationship immediately after leaving staff and it was a disaster for me and the other person--I did this twice. My advice to someone leaving the Scieno world would be to hold off on any 2D stuff, at least for a few months. Maybe someone else would have handled it better but I was on a different planet emotionally and frankly needed some type of exit counselling. Looking back, I was a walking disaster on the 2D. Then again, being young with a healthy interest in the opposite sex is recipe for trouble, much of which I thoroughly enjoyed and as much as I'd like to blame the problems on Scientology, it might have been worse without it.

My non-scieno wife is fantastic. Her interest in my Scieno involvement is nearly zero. I think this is wonderful as it's given me an opportunity to leave Scientology behind. :confused2:
 

Boojuum

Silver Meritorious Patron
Having a relationship with a Scientologist also means that you are "having a relationship" with the org's staff who are "handling" that Scientologist. '

And you are also having a romantic relationship with Int Management.

And an intimate one with with Ron.

Sexy, isn't it?

HH is spot on. A 2D in Scientology is wide open to all sorts of inspection from a variety of places.
1. Anyone who can read has probably read all the juicy stuff in you and your 2D's folder.
2. The EO, MAA, Reg, C/S, DofP have probably given you and your significant other plenty of R-Factors regarding your love life.

Ewe. Glad I'm out.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Thanks, Terril. I appreciate that.

Your wife assists in doing exorcisms; is that what you're saying?

Yes.

From a "squirrel" catholic viewpoint. One similar to many people in many parts
of the world.

My father, who I was separated from most of my life from the age of 3, was
a biblical scholar of great intellect, a member of the Westar institute.

http://virtualreligion.net/forum/westar.html

He was in later years a biblical scholar, an Episcopalian priest, a " Healer" in a christian sense, and unusually for a protestant an exorcist.
 

freethinker

Sponsor
I think if you are leaving Scientology, you should leave all of it.

I found a non scio relationship better for a lot of reasons. Much less pressure.
 

Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
This may not be the response you are looking for but it comes to mind every time I think about "2D" and my FCDC experience. At one point, long time Scn Joan Tourtellot turned over her apartment to me in hopes that I would continue it as a place for scienoweenies. The Calomiris organization (owners) were not thrilled with that but as I qualified they allowed it. My memory is actually weak, ie I am not sure I was involved over there on S street. But the org sent a very distraught girl over very late at night for a place to stay. She was almost violent toward herself, swinging her fists, hitting her body saying she hated herself. I tried the best I could to calm her down but I think her exhaustion finally did it for me.

Maybe I am bat shit crazy but I sometimes wonder if I should not have taken her to a nice restaurant and done the guy thing, you know, treat her like a lady and rescue her from the cult. The experience haunts me.

For the record, I never dated a Scn. From my perspective I think it was a good decision, but each person has a different view.
 
Vumba,

it was 1968; I was a high school senior in an upper middle income public school; my girl friend, a member of my social group, and a friend long before we became entwined, was married and a student teacher at my high school. I would go to my first period speech and philosophy class. She would teach her first period art class. Then the two of us would leave together.

This is what I looked like:

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This is what she looked like:

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In mid April, about twenty of our friends, including me, got ourselves into Scientology.

Some of us 40 years later:

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In June, after school was out, Charlie Rush helped me, and we moved her out of the apartment that she had shared with her husband. Her bottom line was that I loved her all the time, he didn't.

My girl friend did not get involved with Sci. I have to say that after some time, I got a bit weird. She continued her life, but moved to LA. As she was about to come back north, to me, she got pregnant, and decided to marry him.

The night prior to their wedding, a lot of us stayed at their house on Douglas St. next to Elysian Park, just over the hill from Dodger Stadium. I hooked up with the groom's sister.

This is the two of us at the wedding:

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She moved in with me, and got involved with Scientology. A few years later, she joined the Sea Org, where she still is.

This is her daughter ( a current SO member):

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Beautiful, like her mother, although I digress.

Some years later, after having worked for a year in a Sci center (before missions), having done Clear and some OT, I was on the briefing course in La La Land. The first girl in this story, now married to the second guy, and with two kids meets me at the La Brea Tar Pits in another fateful April. It was raining, and we walked around and my dog walked around. We ended up kissing in the downstairs garage for the May Company. She went back to Nor Cal, and we wrote steamy notes to one another with occasional phone calls thrown in. She had never done Sci, but had done EST. We ended up moving in together. Her husband took care of the kids for a few months.

We broke up again, but not with any big upset, just two people, who didn't know what they were doing. Still friends.

I ended up, within a year, hooking up with my wife of the last 30 plus years, Another married woman at that time. But a class Vlll, married to a class Vlll. The oldest kid was also a class Vlll. For the next two years, we lived together, and had the kids from their marriage and his previous marriage, and his girl friend's marriage plus several foster kids. I went from being single to having 5 or 6 kids to take care of. And in that first year of living together, we both independently of the other, decided to leave the Co$ - That was 1976. Actually, we never even talked about leaving the Co$, not because we were withholding our dissatisfactions, but because the writing was all over the wall. It was the obvious thing to do. We were in complete sync without any discussion.

The person most traumatized by our leaving the Co$, was her husband. He had a very successful mission and was feeling his oats as a Scientologist. I have to say, we didn't give a fuck. After about two years of living together, she divorced him, and we got married.

Around 1980, long before the big Mission Holders' massacres, he had also left. He sold his mission, and walked away unhappy with the way things went in the Co$.

Somewhere around 1995, my wife and I were on the outs, and I, once again hooked up with the girl that I started this narrative with. And once again, we lived together for some months. We have never even as much as kissed, when one of us wasn't married.

We're still friends.

My wife and I got back together.

Relationships, for me, are important. Friendship, through thick and thin, is what I value most. Whether a girl friend was a Scio or not, was never a consideration. What is important is shared values.

This is our family. Our family is what we value.

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This is our youngest son:

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