When I was in, I instinctively stayed the phug away from getting involved with anyone who was also in. Those who "mocked up a toodee" with other online were constantly under the scrutiny of the mission ED.
Pete
NON SCN RELATIONSHIPS
- Thread starter vumba
- Start date
When I was in, I instinctively stayed the phug away from getting involved with anyone who was also in. Those who "mocked up a toodee" with other online were constantly under the scrutiny of the mission ED.
Pete
Thank you for this. I gather from the responses that many of us have experienced very similar things then. I too surprise my partner with a story I remember when triggered by something else. I too had a disastrous very short marriage when in Scn when I was 18. Amazing how much one can pack in in fifty years of life LOL
[QUOTE=
My non-scieno wife is fantastic. Her interest in my Scieno involvement is nearly zero. I think this is wonderful as it's given me an opportunity to leave Scientology behind
There are times when I think I would agree with you on this, but as I spent a formative fifteen years of my life in Scientology, I feel so much of who I became has been informed by this period that I sometimes need to talk about it, if only to explain why I take the stance I do in some situations.
It has left me with a legacy of a very strong work ethic, and I would so far as to say, a moral one too in that I am very intolerant of what I see as someone going out-2D, or people knocking people and not allowing them to simply BE.
My non-scieno wife is fantastic. Her interest in my Scieno involvement is nearly zero. I think this is wonderful as it's given me an opportunity to leave Scientology behind
There are times when I think I would agree with you on this, but as I spent a formative fifteen years of my life in Scientology, I feel so much of who I became has been informed by this period that I sometimes need to talk about it, if only to explain why I take the stance I do in some situations.
It has left me with a legacy of a very strong work ethic, and I would so far as to say, a moral one too in that I am very intolerant of what I see as someone going out-2D, or people knocking people and not allowing them to simply BE.
Vumba,
it was 1968; I was a high school senior in an upper middle income public school; my girl friend, a member of my social group, and a friend long before we became entwined, was married and a student teacher at my high school. I would go to my first period speech and philosophy class. She would teach her first period art class. Then the two of us would leave together.
This is what I looked like:
This is what she looked like:
In mid April, about twenty of our friends, including me, got ourselves into Scientology.
Some of us 40 years later:
In June, after school was out, Charlie Rush helped me, and we moved her out of the apartment that she had shared with her husband. Her bottom line was that I loved her all the time, he didn't.
My girl friend did not get involved with Sci. I have to say that after some time, I got a bit weird. She continued her life, but moved to LA. As she was about to come back north, to me, she got pregnant, and decided to marry him.
The night prior to their wedding, a lot of us stayed at their house on Douglas St. next to Elysian Park, just over the hill from Dodger Stadium. I hooked up with the groom's sister.
This is the two of us at the wedding:
She moved in with me, and got involved with Scientology. A few years later, she joined the Sea Org, where she still is.
This is her daughter ( a current SO member):
Beautiful, like her mother, although I digress.
Some years later, after having worked for a year in a Sci center (before missions), having done Clear and some OT, I was on the briefing course in La La Land. The first girl in this story, now married to the second guy, and with two kids meets me at the La Brea Tar Pits in another fateful April. It was raining, and we walked around and my dog walked around. We ended up kissing in the downstairs garage for the May Company. She went back to Nor Cal, and we wrote steamy notes to one another with occasional phone calls thrown in. She had never done Sci, but had done EST. We ended up moving in together. Her husband took care of the kids for a few months.
We broke up again, but not with any big upset, just two people, who didn't know what they were doing. Still friends.
I ended up, within a year, hooking up with my wife of the last 30 plus years, Another married woman at that time. But a class Vlll, married to a class Vlll. The oldest kid was also a class Vlll. For the next two years, we lived together, and had the kids from their marriage and his previous marriage, and his girl friend's marriage plus several foster kids. I went from being single to having 5 or 6 kids to take care of. And in that first year of living together, we both independently of the other, decided to leave the Co$ - That was 1976. Actually, we never even talked about leaving the Co$, not because we were withholding our dissatisfactions, but because the writing was all over the wall. It was the obvious thing to do. We were in complete sync without any discussion.
The person most traumatized by our leaving the Co$, was her husband. He had a very successful mission and was feeling his oats as a Scientologist. I have to say, we didn't give a fuck. After about two years of living together, she divorced him, and we got married.
Around 1980, long before the big Mission Holders' massacres, he had also left. He sold his mission, and walked away unhappy with the way things went in the Co$.
Somewhere around 1995, my wife and I were on the outs, and I, once again hooked up with the girl that I started this narrative with. And once again, we lived together for some months. We have never even as much as kissed, when one of us wasn't married.
We're still friends.
My wife and I got back together.
Relationships, for me, are important. Friendship, through thick and thin, is what I value most. Whether a girl friend was a Scio or not, was never a consideration. What is important is shared values.
This is our family. Our family is what we value.
This is our youngest son:
FANTABULOUS! Thank you for this, it did tickle me! Love the hair and the shades by the way (LOL). Your family life sounds as complicated as mine became!! The mum of the pretty girl looks familiar to me, and in the photo of the group of you all, who is the person on the left with the beard and moustache as he is familiar to me too?
Yes, I agree too about friendship. Solid, fun friendships that are bound with trust as so valuable.
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
H
The "Mum" is Laurie Noonan,sister of Steve Noonan, Electra recording artist, who married the girl friend, who I first mentioned.
Laurie went on to join the Sea Org with Dale Benson; married Michael Douglas (who died on Kauai a couple of years ago of cancer. Michael had been remarried to Kima for several decades. Laurie is now Laurie Engelhart. She has been a top banana at Flag since the 70s. She is a really gifted singer (think Apollo All Stars). Her, now ex - husband, Dave Engelhart, spent about a decade on the RPF at Flag (Fort Harrison). He routed out to help his father die. He is back "in," here, in LA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Their daughter, Jessica, grew up in the SO, and doesn't know about the real world.
Bringing it all back home, I am still tightly connected to the entire family, and everybody KNOWS WHO got Laurie "In" in the first place.
The guy in the family ski pic is Randy Spickler. Born in 1970. Never in Co$, except for a comm course. But raised with Scio tech. A lot like me (I'm his step father), he climbs rocks and trees, skis like a demon, gets his kicks at the local gun range, and invents code for eBay. Pretty good for someone, who barely passed high school. His kids are chips off the block. Dance, gymnastics, skiing - they ROCK!
Did you know Valerie Schomer on the boat?
FANTABULOUS! Thank you for this, it did tickle me! Love the hair and the shades by the way (LOL). Your family life sounds as complicated as mine became!! The mum of the pretty girl looks familiar to me, and in the photo of the group of you all, who is the person on the left with the beard and moustache as he is familiar to me too?
Yes, I agree too about friendship. Solid, fun friendships that are bound with trust as so valuable.
The "Mum" is Laurie Noonan,sister of Steve Noonan, Electra recording artist, who married the girl friend, who I first mentioned.
Laurie went on to join the Sea Org with Dale Benson; married Michael Douglas (who died on Kauai a couple of years ago of cancer. Michael had been remarried to Kima for several decades. Laurie is now Laurie Engelhart. She has been a top banana at Flag since the 70s. She is a really gifted singer (think Apollo All Stars). Her, now ex - husband, Dave Engelhart, spent about a decade on the RPF at Flag (Fort Harrison). He routed out to help his father die. He is back "in," here, in LA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Their daughter, Jessica, grew up in the SO, and doesn't know about the real world.
Bringing it all back home, I am still tightly connected to the entire family, and everybody KNOWS WHO got Laurie "In" in the first place.
The guy in the family ski pic is Randy Spickler. Born in 1970. Never in Co$, except for a comm course. But raised with Scio tech. A lot like me (I'm his step father), he climbs rocks and trees, skis like a demon, gets his kicks at the local gun range, and invents code for eBay. Pretty good for someone, who barely passed high school. His kids are chips off the block. Dance, gymnastics, skiing - they ROCK!
Did you know Valerie Schomer on the boat?
Last edited:
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
My wife has been my best friend for about 30 years and we've been together as husband and wife for the last 27 and a half years. We survived the CofS together, we survived leaving it together and we continue to thrive-and-survive as non-scientologists... together.
I love her more today than I did yesterday but that thought seems to occur to me every new day. We definitely have a non scn relationship!
I love her more today than I did yesterday but that thought seems to occur to me every new day. We definitely have a non scn relationship!
Purple Rain
Crusader
My wife has been my best friend for about 30 years and we've been together as husband and wife for the last 27 and a half years. We survived the CofS together, we survived leaving it together and we continue to thrive-and-survive as non-scientologists... together.
I love her more today than I did yesterday but that thought seems to occur to me every new day. We definitely have a non scn relationship!
That is so beautiful, Panda. How wonderful that you found each other and built something so special together through thick and thin.
G
Gottabrain
Guest
I would be interested to know how people found dealing with entering into new relationships with people who have never been involved in Scientology before on a 2D basis? I actually found strength in my first non-Scn relationship with a guy who was very earthbound and solid. He was not at all spiritual and was exactly what I needed at the time, just newly out of Scn and the S.O. I learned to drive, earn my own money (more money than I had ever had in Scn for a lot less hours), travel on the underground, visit foreign countries etc. etc. After about 6 years or so, I grew out of the relationship and moved on again, but I can see that this had been a very valuable relationship, and important in my grounding.
Hi Vumba, I've been out a long time but I was also in a long time.
I prefer relationships with non-Scns (never-been-ins) than exScns. The nons provide me with different perspectives and as you pointed out, are far more grounded. For me, that's an ideal balance in a partner.
As long as the non understands that I am a human rights activist and supportive of this, I don't need heavy spiritual conversations. I am blessed to have many ex's as friends here in Aus to talk about Scn or protesting when either of us wishes. It's never been part of my home life since I've been out (25+ years) and I don't wish it to be.
I remember Laurie now, I also remember Val Schomer, Kima and Mike and Shane. Laurie will remember Kenny Campelman too. I recall going to a concert in Cadiz where the All Stars were doing their PR gig too. Seems like such a loonnngggg time ago.
With regards to the group photo... sorry didn't mean the ski group, but rather the reunion group.. I recognise two faces in that photo, the guy on the far left with the moustache, and then the silver fox on the right with the moustache and beard but can't remember their names?
Your "son" pup is cute. We have a Weimaraner called Max. I haven't uploaded any photos on this site yet, but will try to.
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
I remember Laurie now, I also remember Val Schomer, Kima and Mike and Shane. Laurie will remember Kenny Campelman too. I recall going to a concert in Cadiz where the All Stars were doing their PR gig too. Seems like such a loonnngggg time ago.
With regards to the group photo... sorry didn't mean the ski group, but rather the reunion group.. I recognise two faces in that photo, the guy on the far left with the moustache, and then the silver fox on the right with the moustache and beard but can't remember their names?
Your "son" pup is cute. We have a Weimaraner called Max. I haven't uploaded any photos on this site yet, but will try to.
Back Row Left to Right:
Denny Fridkin, Larry Norman (RIP), Al Ribisi, Robbie Levin, Geoff Levin, Gene Mason
Front Row with baseball cap: Wally Amos
Our youngest child is a pug, known for being friendly with everyone. I take him with me when go skiing. While I'm on the slopes, he plays with his friends, the St. Bernards in the snow covered meadow.
Our neighbors have newfoundlands; they look like bears. Our son is the alpha dog among them. They come over to see if he can play, and vice versa. They run all over the hills together.
One day, while standing in line for pizza in a beach town, a rottweiler attacked him. before I could turn around to see what the hubbub was about, my dog had taken the rottweiler out. I turned to see the rott laying on the sidewalk, with my dog holding his throat. The people behind me in the pizza line, told me the rottweiler attacked out of the clear blue. Farm dogs (like mine) hold their own with any other dogs.
Last edited:
Back Row Left to Right:
Denny Fridkin, Larry Norman (RIP), Al Ribisi, Robbie Levin, Geoff Levin, Gene Mason
Front Row with baseball cap: Wally Amos
Our youngest child is a pug, known for being friendly with everyone. I take him with me when go skiing. While I'm on the slopes, he plays with his friends, the St. Bernards in the snow covered meadow.
Our neighbors have newfoundlands; they look like bears. Our son is the alpha dog among them. They come over to see if he can play, and vice versa. They run all over the hills together.
One day, while standing in line for pizza in a beach town, a rottweiler attacked him. before I could turn around to see what the hubbub was about, my dog had taken the rottweiler out. I turned to see the rott laying on the sidewalk, with my dog holding his throat. The people behind me in the pizza line, told me the rottweiler attacked out of the clear blue. Farm dogs (like mine) hold their own with any other dogs.
Thanks for this. Even though I can't place exactly where I know them from, I definitely recognise Denny, Gene and especially Wally Amos! Maybe it will come to me.
One of my daughters and I took our Weimaraner, Max, out for a walk this afternoon, (on a strangely mild December afternoon), and we had to be careful to get out of his way as he wrestled with the largest stick (nay... log) and decided to run with it. We were at real risk of being taken out. Your pug sounds very brave... go Pug !! Rotties can be lovely, but they have been known to turn suddenly with no apparent reason sometimes I've heard.
