Do you expect your ideas and opinions of Scn to change as you go along studying the subject outside the CofS? Or do you expect your ideas to stay more or less the same?
Only time - and experience - will truly tell.
Nicki
Hey there Mr. KnightVision"- I am glad that you are posting again--I missed -what you have to say.
I think that the militant minority is much more provocative (while being idiotic) than anybody else on this board.
They have no tolerance in their heart, though they talk about fawning love... those beautiful vibrations... big heart and what not...
My foot! Double-faced theety-weeties...
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Will you be stepping up to the guillotine?
You're a man. Act like one.
How do you know?
I totally understand how you feel. I felt the exact same way you are feeling for almost ten years now, until a couple of days ago. I did not really consider my self a Scientologist because I have my own religious beliefs and I thought it was okay to practice scientology because after all it is an applied phylosophy and a non denominal religion. I always spoke good of the church though I witnessed first hand the treatment of some of the people that I feel was not very nice or humble coming from sea org members. I particularly did not like how rich people were given special treatment, whether you were in the sea or or not. I especially did not like how in the sea org. 2d's were broken up or disconnected. how is this suppose to help mankind or society if families and loved ones are separated and hurt? where is the compasion and love? I saw how the entire organization is run like a business. I always thought that LRH made it a religion to avoid taxes and that it was a genius tactic to really preserve the tech. but i never mentioned this thought to anyone because i believed in the tech and i thought that it really helped me in my life and i recommended it to many people. but there are just certain things that never sat well with me, mainly the fact that LRH is practically worshiped. I don't care how much of a humanitarian someone in this planet is, be it LRH, Buddah, Mohammed, etc. I truly believe that NO MAN IS WORTHY of PRAISE! Literally a couple of days ago I decided to search the net and see what all the negative shit was about. I was blown away. I now feel like an elephant has been lifted over my shoulders, as if a veil over my eyes have been lifted. how could I have been sooo gullible? Just so u know, LRH was a genius in making people believe like he is the only person on this planet that has ever discovered all of the "tech" (i wont get into detail cause those who know, you can write a book on this shit) when in fact it is "universal law" that has always existed and he was definitely not the first nor the last person to put it in writing. At the same time I am deeply saddened because I truely care for some people in the church and I wish they knew what I know now. I don't know if they would ever doubt LRH or that other bastard DM. I hope and Pray that the son of bitch DM (COB) will soon be exposed to EVERYONE on this planet. I hope that everyone in the sea org sees the truth and blow right out of there!!!
Sincerely,
NJ
I totally understand how you feel. I felt the exact same way you are feeling for almost ten years now, until a couple of days ago. I did not really consider my self a Scientologist because I have my own religious beliefs and I thought it was okay to practice scientology because after all it is an applied phylosophy and a non denominal religion. I always spoke good of the church though I witnessed first hand the treatment of some of the people that I feel was not very nice or humble coming from sea org members. I particularly did not like how rich people were given special treatment, whether you were in the sea or or not. I especially did not like how in the sea org. 2d's were broken up or disconnected. how is this suppose to help mankind or society if families and loved ones are separated and hurt? where is the compasion and love? I saw how the entire organization is run like a business. I always thought that LRH made it a religion to avoid taxes and that it was a genius tactic to really preserve the tech. but i never mentioned this thought to anyone because i believed in the tech and i thought that it really helped me in my life and i recommended it to many people. but there are just certain things that never sat well with me, mainly the fact that LRH is practically worshiped. I don't care how much of a humanitarian someone in this planet is, be it LRH, Buddah, Mohammed, etc. I truly believe that NO MAN IS WORTHY of PRAISE! Literally a couple of days ago I decided to search the net and see what all the negative shit was about. I was blown away. I now feel like an elephant has been lifted over my shoulders, as if a veil over my eyes have been lifted. how could I have been sooo gullible? Just so u know, LRH was a genius in making people believe like he is the only person on this planet that has ever discovered all of the "tech" (i wont get into detail cause those who know, you can write a book on this shit) when in fact it is "universal law" that has always existed and he was definitely not the first nor the last person to put it in writing. At the same time I am deeply saddened because I truely care for some people in the church and I wish they knew what I know now. I don't know if they would ever doubt LRH or that other bastard DM. I hope and Pray that the son of bitch DM (COB) will soon be exposed to EVERYONE on this planet. I hope that everyone in the sea org sees the truth and blow right out of there!!!
Sincerely,
NJ
Sorry... but ya know what's missing here? The willingness to allow others to believe what they believe. scn can be good for some. For Some. Not All. Not even the majority. For Awhile. Not for long. Think man. Scn is a dinky sci-fi philo. Known to a scant few of the worlds populace. It will never reach the many that Catholicism, Christianity, Muslim-ism or Buddhism has. Never. No chance, no way, no how. And there's a reason. Figure out that reason and you'll perhaps realize that your comment of 'The militant minority' is a delusion perhaps given license by scn doctrine itself. Those who find Scn to be utter nonsense are the MAJORITY OF THE POPULACE. And that's a static statistic. Amen.
Hey there Mr. KnightVision"- I am glad that you are posting again--I missed -what you have to say.
KnightVision,
this was just an example of a S.A.D. A Stupid Alanzo Diversion.
The phenomena is now well understood in this sector of the Galaxy.
We have a discussion going along nicely, fairly well behaved, polite and good tempered, even though strong questions and opinions are exchanged. Nevertheless the thread is going along nicely.
Then someone, he knows who he is, accuses others, they know who they are, of saying something everybody knows they didn't! This is a SAD. A Stupid Alanzo Diversion.
There is no need for names, because they know who they are. The phenomena of a SAD are generalisations, ridicule, misrepresentation and the response to any protest about the SAD is a further enforcing of the SAD with more ridicule and misrepresentation.
Words often used in a SAD (Stupid Alanzo Diversion) include, but are not limited to "militant", "cesspool", "Nazi" and other derogatory words. These words are aimed at nobody in particular as they know who they are.
The key element of a SAD is to sneeringly accuse un-named people of saying things they didn't and it is a repetitive, iterative process. The apparent desired result is to divert the thread into no longer discussing that which was being discussed, but rather to stir up bad tempered squabbles on the thread which are almost nothing to do with the subject originally being discussed.
One can see a SAD was implemented on this thread and see the ensuing arguments, sometimes between others than the original perpetrator of the SAD.
The motivation for a SAD (Stupid Alanzo Diversion) is unknown on this planet at this time, but the remedy is a simple one.
Remedy for a SAD (Stupid Alanzo Diversion) is to simply laugh merrily!
KnightVision,
this was just an example of a S.A.D. A Stupid Alanzo Diversion.
The phenomena is now well understood in this sector of the Galaxy.
We have a discussion going along nicely, fairly well behaved, polite and good tempered, even though strong questions and opinions are exchanged. Nevertheless the thread is going along nicely.
Then someone, he knows who he is, accuses others, they know who they are, of saying something everybody knows they didn't! This is a SAD. A Stupid Alanzo Diversion.
There is no need for names, because they know who they are. The phenomena of a SAD are generalisations, ridicule, misrepresentation and the response to any protest about the SAD is a further enforcing of the SAD with more ridicule and misrepresentation.
Words often used in a SAD (Stupid Alanzo Diversion) include, but are not limited to "militant", "cesspool", "Nazi" and other derogatory words. These words are aimed at nobody in particular as they know who they are.
The key element of a SAD is to sneeringly accuse un-named people of saying things they didn't and it is a repetitive, iterative process. The apparent desired result is to divert the thread into no longer discussing that which was being discussed, but rather to stir up bad tempered squabbles on the thread which are almost nothing to do with the subject originally being discussed.
One can see a SAD was implemented on this thread and see the ensuing arguments, sometimes between others than the original perpetrator of the SAD.
The motivation for a SAD (Stupid Alanzo Diversion) is unknown on this planet at this time, but the remedy is a simple one.
Remedy for a SAD (Stupid Alanzo Diversion) is to simply laugh merrily!
Well I know because I’ve been to Emma’s and seen all those ‘bold and artistic’ photos that you sent her.
And while it may have been rather small, ‘Mr Winkie’ is clearly present, making you indisputably a male of the human variety.
Ax
KV! I only came onto this stupid thread to see if you rode in on your white horse to save the day - and you did!!! I was afraid to come on this thread before. I really missed you, guy!
nicki!
norma jean!
I'll jump in here, hope you don't mind...
1. Total accountability -- Anyone who has broken the law needs to face criminal charges. Make abusive treatment of juniors a crime. End the culture of fear and intimidations.
2. Total transparency -- Use the church structure as intended, with board meetings, open minutes. Public meetings. Financial transparency. Make the real stats available for review. End the dictatorship.
3. A truth commission -- Come clean. Admit wrongdoing. Use honesty and sunlight. Church management has O/Ws on the field.
4. Improve Sea Org conditions -- A truism in the real world is that you treat people as well as you pay them. At the very least pay Sea Org minimum wage. Take care of their medical and dental costs. Limit working hours. I believe you can get just as much done in a 60 hour work week as you can in an 85 hour work week. Let them talk to anyone they want, have children, live off base.
No it won't. But the American Revolution started out as people complaining about the British over beers in a pub. This is the groundwork. Nothing happens unless this happens first.
You're playing word games. The current management Church of Scientology is aware of, tolerates, enables and hides the abuses. It is endemic to the culture.
Yes, it is specific people, lots of specific people, all following the lead of RTC. Scientology is run like a paramilitary organization. It has a chain of command. The specific person is COB RTC. No terminal in Scientology can oppose him. He has total power over Int staff. He can not be challenged, or even looks at (facecrime.) The system has been broken by him.
There are a lot of well intentioned, good, cool, decent Scientologists. No one here is implying that there isn't. Which is why I believe that if given ALL the data, that there would be a clamor from the field to clean house and install controls so that another dictator can't take control.