Oh! God!!!

[Vinaire]

I like to think in terms of waves and flows, rather than shocks, but yes, I have experienced another's energy in those terms, too.

One of my wise old Aunties used to teach me how to find a "good" spot in the garden or out in nature, and lie down on the bare earth to either discharge excess or stuck energy, or recharge, depending on what I needed to do at the time. I think almost all tribal people know this "tech". (We are Celtic.)

Bio-electric energy, ki, chi, prana, mana, it's all the same to me. It's real! I think all good healers can "move" it around, especially with a willing partner.

Good discussion, guys! Love ya!

Of course, energy is potentials, potential difference, waves and flows. Stuck points occur when shock travels through them.

For example, there can be a lake at higher level, and another at lower level. Thus a nice, modulated flow can occur from the higher to the lower level when controlled connections are made.

This situation definitely exists across a dam. But an overwhelming shock may occur when the damn breaks all of sudden quite unexpectedly.

This is just an analogy.

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[Vinaire]

Any mental shock could fall under the category of electrical shock.

Suddenly losing a stable datum will lead to a shock.

Suddenly losing a stable relationship will lead to a shock.

Anything that one takes for granted, or relies upon is like a potential. When that potential suddenly gives way, it would result in a shock.

A shock is always something unexpected, and unintended in terms of outcome.

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[lkwdblds]

Roland B. - You added a new dimension to accupressure.

Roland - Your last post regarding energy and how it relates to accupressure and other phenomena was very eye opening to me. I always thought of accupressure as a minor activity equivalent to a sophisticated massage and when I was an active Scientologist, I thought it was a little like squirreling.

Your idea of exploring what the nature of the energy I am releasing is good. As of now, all I know about the subject is emperical. Some of the details I will give below. I will try to explore the nature of the energy later.

I always liked getting massages, I had my first one in 1964. In the early 1970's I learned to do touch assists and read their theory by LRH. In 1974 when I left the Sea Org, I joined a health spa and started receiving massages from a guy named Ed, who used accupressure. I got massages from Ed for years and began giving them to others such as friends and family. I used the info I learned about touch assists when people asked me how they worked. They seemed much more powerful than touch assists, however, because I would dig my fingers or thumbs deep into a muscle or nerve and get big reactions. Through giving these treatments, I came far closer to experiencing real OT abilities than by doing any other activity. I found that many times, when I was working on a person, I would be able to "see" their pictures in my imnds eye. I could also tell what they were thinking. Two women, in particular. were, my best subjects, one a French woman who sold Xerox, I brought over, in 1984, to meet my wife who was also French and another girl who was selling massage chairs at a Home show around 1995. On both, I had virtually 100% accuracy seeing all their pictures and told them what they were thinking.

By touching different spots on their heads, I would pick up different thoughts and I told them what they were thinking. I combined this with giving accupressure massage and also usually handled their pain and stress at least for the moment.

I was telling a Scientologist friend of my experience and he said that I should knock it off because it was squirreling but also said that if I could do it by touching the head, I should be able to do it without touching the person. I tried that and got some results, but with the touching, my ability to see their pictures and read their thoughts was more certain and much stronger.

I have a great affinity for the Vienna of the late 18th century and that was the home of Franz Anton Mesmer, of Mesmerism fame. I think he was an early pioneer in this field. I know that wrapping a metal rod in animal fur and stroking a patient with the rod was part of his "tech". Animal magnetism was a frequently used term in his study.

I don't know what kind of energy I am dealing with in looking at someone's pictures and picking up their thoughts. When the energy from their skull runs out through me and into the ground, I know that I feel heat and experience a strange feeling of mental fatigue while the flow is going through me. At this moment, I have no idea how to develop a theory for what type of energy I am experiencing.
Lkwdblds

 

[lkwdblds]

Sum possible summaries

Any mental shock could fall under the category of electrical shock.

Suddenly losing a stable datum will lead to a shock.

Suddenly losing a stable relationship will lead to a shock.

Anything that one takes for granted, or relies upon is like a potential. When that potential suddenly gives way, it would result in a shock.

A shock is always something unexpected, and unintended in terms of outcome.

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Vin - based on these thoughts of yours, how about coining the term "comfort zone" as a technical term for a structure or edifice which a person establishes to try and avoid shock.

Also, Consevatism and its harmonics are attempts by beings to expand their confort zone.

How about, "The experiencing of shock, which is overcome and handled, leads to an expansion of capability and beingness."

The experiencing of shock, which is not overcome and handled, leads to a dimunition of competence and a reduction in beingness and may ultimately lead to death.

Lkwdblds

 

[KnightVision]

Any mental shock could fall under the category of electrical shock.

Suddenly losing a stable datum will lead to a shock.

Suddenly losing a stable relationship will lead to a shock.

Anything that one takes for granted, or relies upon is like a potential. When that potential suddenly gives way, it would result in a shock.

A shock is always something unexpected, and unintended in terms of outcome.
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Even a basic layman understands that when he is working on a 'live circuit' he's likely to 'take a hit', so when it happens he's prepared for it, readily reacts and afterwards enjoys telling the story and how he was able to survive it rather easily. Then again, there are those who are so painfully stupid that they attempt this act while standing a pool of water...

 

[Vinaire]

I now think that any kind of "shock" should be included here and not just "electrical shock". Any shock would ultimately be an "electrical shock" at the level of nerves.

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[RogerB]

Hey, It's Me, RogerB . . . Not That Other R-B

Roland - Your last post regarding energy and how it relates to accupressure and other phenomena was very eye opening to me. I always thought of accupressure as a minor activity equivalent to a sophisticated massage and when I was an active Scientologist, I thought it was a little like squirreling.

Your idea of exploring what the nature of the energy I am releasing is good. As of now, all I know about the subject is emperical. Some of the details I will give below. I will try to explore the nature of the energy later.

I always liked getting massages, I had my first one in 1964. In the early 1970's I learned to do touch assists and read their theory by LRH. In 1974 when I left the Sea Org, I joined a health spa and started receiving massages from a guy named Ed, who used accupressure. I got massages from Ed for years and began giving them to others such as friends and family. I used the info I learned about touch assists when people asked me how they worked. They seemed much more powerful than touch assists, however, because I would dig my fingers or thumbs deep into a muscle or nerve and get big reactions. Through giving these treatments, I came far closer to experiencing real OT abilities than by doing any other activity. I found that many times, when I was working on a person, I would be able to "see" their pictures in my imnds eye. I could also tell what they were thinking. Two women, in particular. were, my best subjects, one a French woman who sold Xerox, I brought over, in 1984, to meet my wife who was also French and another girl who was selling massage chairs at a Home show around 1995. On both, I had virtually 100% accuracy seeing all their pictures and told them what they were thinking.

By touching different spots on their heads, I would pick up different thoughts and I told them what they were thinking. I combined this with giving accupressure massage and also usually handled their pain and stress at least for the moment.

I was telling a Scientologist friend of my experience and he said that I should knock it off because it was squirreling but also said that if I could do it by touching the head, I should be able to do it without touching the person. I tried that and got some results, but with the touching, my ability to see their pictures and read their thoughts was more certain and much stronger.

I have a great affinity for the Vienna of the late 18th century and that was the home of Franz Anton Mesmer, of Mesmerism fame. I think he was an early pioneer in this field. I know that wrapping a metal rod in animal fur and stroking a patient with the rod was part of his "tech". Animal magnetism was a frequently used term in his study.

I don't know what kind of energy I am dealing with in looking at someone's pictures and picking up their thoughts. When the energy from their skull runs out through me and into the ground, I know that I feel heat and experience a strange feeling of mental fatigue while the flow is going through me. At this moment, I have no idea how to develop a theory for what type of energy I am experiencing.
Lkwdblds

lkwdblds,

This is your friendly RogerB calling you -- not the other R-B

Actually what you write of above are very important truths and abilities. You are obviously an "adept," and these powers you have ought be fully explored, validated and empowered.

There are some data I can give you here that might be of use to you, and others.

Folks have not particularly noticed, but it is the fact that LRH massively screwed up on the subject of "auditor skills training," his TR's tech and the issue of relationships.

You'll notice that his TRs are all to do with control, cause (only) and, in truth, domination. None of the TRs address the basic ability and power of the auditor to receive and duplicate the emanations of another or the client/PC!

Now, this is a colossal omission when you look at the fact of one of his definitions of an "auditor" is: "One who listens and computes."

I observed this fact vis a vis Alan's "Powerhouse Exercises," and created and introduced a drill and a process to do with exercising and empowering the student's ability to comfortably be present and to receive the emanations of another. Big gains have been enjoyed by students doing this particular drill and accompanying process.

The Powerhouse Exercises are similar to the TRs, though vastly different. The tech of them derives from a diagram and articulation of the exact "Anatomy and Formula of Communication" I wrote up and donated to Alan for inclusion in his tech. He then finessed that basic into his Powerhouse Exercises . . . to which I added some points he'd missed

The reason I am telling you this is that this issue of being able to knowingly, comfortably receive and fully duplicate the emanations of another is an omitted and screwed up tech point in Scn, and a screwed up, occluded ability for most of humanity.

You obviously have this faculty available to you in very good working order.

It might be a good move for you to recognize a) just how valuable the ability is b) how valuable it makes you to others c) it is something that can be further enhanced and upgraded for more optimum application.

As to the question you raised in your last paragraph that I colored red and italicized above, I would say the following.

Spiritual Beings emanated "Life-Force." They also emanate imagery; holographic constructs visible as images that have been formed out of their Life-Force. That is, the Life-Force can be emanated in the form of an image. You do that when you "envision" something. That is, you create or emanate and image or vision of how you intend something to be.

Life (the game and events of it), of course, has impinged on folks. The result is that their spiritual Beingness has been impressed with an image of the event of the impingement

Various techniques, including what you are doing with your "accupressure" will cause a release or unsticking of, and then the discharge of, such stuck imagery.

Your trick is the wonderful power and ability to a) allow such flows and, b) the capacity to actually be aware of and to truly perceive the Life-Force form as it blows off . . . or more precisely, as it unsticks and restores to free, positive Life-Force.

Some processors/auditors, the very good ones, also operate at this level is session with their PCs and clients.

Roger

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks for the interest and explanations!

Roger B. - Thanks for the interest and all the related information you shared with me. I never expected the type of replies you are sending me. The explanations which add some technical expertise to what is going on are very much appreciated!

I assume when you mention Alan, you are refering to Alan Walters. I knew him at CCLA in 1973 and visited him in 1974 at the Sacramento Mission shortly after leaving the Sea Org. I was really caved in and lost at that point and he gave me some helpful advice and I never saw him since.

I think that what we've discussed so far can be fit into the frame of the "Oh!God!!" thread but to find out more about Alan's study and things of that nature, and things that relate only to me and my particular psychic abilities, I am going to send you a personal message. I will say this. I am 69 years old now, if I was a younger man, I would go into chiropractic or another of the healing arts, perhaps set up a hollistic clinic or something like that. I still would like to explore this ability I have to the fullest and learn more about the theory of what it is that I am doing. You have already helped me a lot with that.

I think the comments you made of the ommissions in LRH's TR drills is pertinent to the discussion and quite interesting. A TR drill to be there and receive emantions from another live being, or beings, would be a helluva drill. I imagine, people could have all kinds of huge wins on doing such a drill. Do you think LRH knew of or considered such a drill but left it out on purpose because he wanted to focus on "Control" or was he just not astute enough to recognize the existence or need of such a drill? I would guess the former.
Lkwdblds

 

[RogerB]

It Fits . . . .

Roger B. - Thanks for the interest and all the related information you shared with me. I never expected the type of replies you are sending me. The explanations which add some technical expertise to what is going on are very much appreciated!

I assume when you mention Alan, you are refering to Alan Walters. I knew him at CCLA in 1973 and visited him in 1974 at the Sacramento Mission shortly after leaving the Sea Org. I was really caved in and lost at that point and he gave me some helpful advice and I never saw him since.

I think that what we've discussed so far can be fit into the frame of the "Oh!God!!" thread but to find out more about Alan's study and things of that nature, and things that relate only to me and my particular psychic abilities, I am going to send you a personal message. I will say this. I am 69 years old now, if I was a younger man, I would go into chiropractic or another of the healing arts, perhaps set up a hollistic clinic or something like that. I still would like to explore this ability I have to the fullest and learn more about the theory of what it is that I am doing. You have already helped me a lot with that.

I think the comments you made of the ommissions in LRH's TR drills is pertinent to the discussion and quite interesting. A TR drill to be there and receive emantions from another live being, or beings, would be a helluva drill. I imagine, people could have all kinds of huge wins on doing such a drill. Do you think LRH knew of or considered such a drill but left it out on purpose because he wanted to focus on "Control" or was he just not astute enough to recognize the existence or need of such a drill? I would guess the former.
Lkwdblds

lkwdblds,

In my view it fits on the thread. There were exchanges on this thread earlier on the issue of our personal part in this "Oh, God!" thing. Vin will chastise me if I'm wrong

I have simply here expanded my input to delineate the exactitude of what it is we personally emanate into the mix. The energy you are picking up . . . even in the form of pictures, thoughts or intentions . . . is simply the basis of the energy Vin is wrestling with in his meditations as revealed in his last couple of days here and on his "Effort to Simplify" thread.

The question was earlier asked why all this "energy" hangs up to then later be released or even discharged in the "shock" waves Vin is exploring . . . well, energy exchanges hang up either because they are resisted or because they are determined (as in caused to) be arrested and held in place.

On LRH and where he was coming from, I'd say he completely missed it.

You see, he was a dominator, a chronic out-flow, a must-be-at-cause and in-control artist. He could steal, but could not truly receive nor honor those who contributed to him . . . and hence he blew up. He spoke of "exchange"; but it worked for him only so long as it was one-way--and that was in, and into his pockets or into serving his glory.

So the ability to knowingly receive from another was a little foreign to him

Yep, the "Alan" I refer to is the one, the only, ACW

Do PM me on the other interest you have. I'll be delighted to pass on any info I can that is helpful. I'm into my mid-seventies, so we are the same generation And I would say we've got a lot more good years left in us yet So pursue your true dreams, aspirations and wants

Rog

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Welcome back Vin!

Vinnie said-"Suddenly losing a stable relationship will lead to a shock." Boy, have I been there and done that! I'll bet we all have. Good to think about our emotional energy as energy, just like bio-electric, etc.

Yes, Alan is the one and only! He's achieved true celebrity status if we can refer to him by first name only, like "Elvis"!

Lakey, I'm very glad you are sharing your personal talents this way, and you know what, I think you should go to Naturepath school, or get a massage certificate at your local Community College, or do something to take this skill public in some way. Make it official. So what if you're 69, you could live to be 90 or more! You could work in association with other wholistic healers, and who cares if you're squirreling, it's all just creativity anyway! Ron just wanted to control everybody as much as he could, for his own profit.

Roger, thanks for sharing your great ideas. I think this all belongs on the God thread. Healing, on all levels, is an important part of my understanding of what God is and does through my and others lives.

Lakey, you are what is called an intuitive healer. Do you "read" feelings as well, making you an empath, or just see images? I think these are skills we all can nurture. You might have connected with these if you had followed a different path from Scientology, but Scientology gave you the mental space to postulate the reality of doing so.

 

[Zinjifar]

I now think that any kind of "shock" should be included here and not just "electrical shock". Any shock would ultimately be an "electrical shock" at the level of nerves.

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No.

Zinj

 

[Vinaire]

No.

Zinj

You are shocking me! Maybe...

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[lkwdblds]

Your new nickname is Sandly

Vinnie said-"Suddenly losing a stable relationship will lead to a shock." Boy, have I been there and done that! I'll bet we all have. Good to think about our emotional energy as energy, just like bio-electric, etc.

Yes, Alan is the one and only! He's achieved true celebrity status if we can refer to him by first name only, like "Elvis"!

Lakey, I'm very glad you are sharing your personal talents this way, and you know what, I think you should go to Naturepath school, or get a massage certificate at your local Community College, or do something to take this skill public in some way. Make it official. So what if you're 69, you could live to be 90 or more! You could work in association with other wholistic healers, and who cares if you're squirreling, it's all just creativity anyway! Ron just wanted to control everybody as much as he could, for his own profit.

Roger, thanks for sharing your great ideas. I think this all belongs on the God thread. Healing, on all levels, is an important part of my understanding of what God is and does through my and others lives.

Lakey, you are what is called an intuitive healer. Do you "read" feelings as well, making you an empath, or just see images? I think these are skills we all can nurture. You might have connected with these if you had followed a different path from Scientology, but Scientology gave you the mental space to postulate the reality of doing so.

Sweetness and Light, since you like to give everyone a nickname ending in ly I have created your new nickname, S and L y which is abreviated to "Sandly"

When did Alan Walters become such a big celebrity, Sandly? I know he was always well off financially and I had read that he has developed his own tech, but I did not know he was a household word amongst ex Scientologists.

I had no intention of bringing up this accupressure and mind reading brew which I do. My main subject now is my 59 year old cousin who has extreme financial pressures on him and his neck and upper back are tight as they can be. He almost can not rotate his neck. When I see him, last Sunday was the last time, he always prevails upon me to give him a treatment. He says I am the only one who has been able to help him and he says I should give up construction and hang out a shingle in accupressure. I ask you, how can I possibly compete with all those pretty young Asian masseuses?

Yes, Sandly, my grandmother lived to be nearly 106 but ate an all natural diet. Two Aunts died recently, one 96 and one 91 so I have good genes. Its just a little hard to change careers and go back to school at this time of life. I know it can be done and has been done but I am the primary wage earner for my household and am paying for 2 kids who are still in college. As far as worrying about squirreling, that was only an issue when I was still active in the C of S. Obviously, now that I am posting here and have severed ties with C of S, I could care less about squirreling.

As to reading feelings, yes I believe I can pick up feelings and emotions somewhat. I had a recent challenge from a guy I work with who has posted on this board. He just dared me to read his mind. I concentrated and said that he had an upset with his son, the previous night where his son had lied to him and that it had something to do with the son needing a ride to school.

He admitted I was correct. He wanted his son to get a bus pass to and from his school, a junior college, instead of having to drive his son every morning. He, Marvin, had discussed this with me earlier. The night before, the son told Marvin he needed a ride to school in the morning and Marvin demanded to know if the son had called to check on a bus pass and the son lied and said yes when he had not called. Marvin invalidated my claim that I had shown psychic ability by saying that he had told me about it before and I had deduced what had happened from what he had told me earlier. He demanded that I read his mind again and not use any info which he had told me. I blurted out immediately that his daughter had done something nice for him the previous night, it was minor but it really endeared her to him. He looked shocked and said that after dinner, she had got up and fixed herself a dessert while Marvin went to another room and without being asked, she made one for him too and took it to him. He was blown away and gave her a big hug and was very proud of her. I claimed again that I had shown psychic ability. He looked a little puzzled and said, "Well... maybe you do have some after all." This is the type of stuff I get, just impressions with some supporting data but not full on 100% knowledge.
Lakey, aka Lkwdblds

 

[lkwdblds]

It all sound good Rog.

lkwdblds,

In my view it fits on the thread. There were exchanges on this thread earlier on the issue of our personal part in this "Oh, God!" thing. Vin will chastise me if I'm wrong

I have simply here expanded my input to delineate the exactitude of what it is we personally emanate into the mix. The energy you are picking up . . . even in the form of pictures, thoughts or intentions . . . is simply the basis of the energy Vin is wrestling with in his meditations as revealed in his last couple of days here and on his "Effort to Simplify" thread.

The question was earlier asked why all this "energy" hangs up to then later be released or even discharged in the "shock" waves Vin is exploring . . . well, energy exchanges hang up either because they are resisted or because they are determined (as in caused to) be arrested and held in place.

On LRH and where he was coming from, I'd say he completely missed it.

You see, he was a dominator, a chronic out-flow, a must-be-at-cause and in-control artist. He could steal, but could not truly receive nor honor those who contributed to him . . . and hence he blew up. He spoke of "exchange"; but it worked for him only so long as it was one-way--and that was in, and into his pockets or into serving his glory.

So the ability to knowingly receive from another was a little foreign to him

Yep, the "Alan" I refer to is the one, the only, ACW

Do PM me on the other interest you have. I'll be delighted to pass on any info I can that is helpful. I'm into my mid-seventies, so we are the same generation And I would say we've got a lot more good years left in us yet So pursue your true dreams, aspirations and wants

Rog

Rog - Everything sounds good, I will be back in touch with you soon but on this thread and also with a pm. Its really rewarding corresponding with you!
Lkwdblds aka Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks again !

lkwdblds,

In my view it fits on the thread. There were exchanges on this thread earlier on the issue of our personal part in this "Oh, God!" thing. Vin will chastise me if I'm wrong

Rog - That's good enough for me, lets continue our disucssions!

I have simply here expanded my input to delineate the exactitude of what it is we personally emanate into the mix. The energy you are picking up . . . even in the form of pictures, thoughts or intentions . . . is simply the basis of the energy Vin is wrestling with in his meditations as revealed in his last couple of days here and on his "Effort to Simplify" thread.

Sounds good to me!

The question was earlier asked why all this "energy" hangs up to then later be released or even discharged in the "shock" waves Vin is exploring . . . well, energy exchanges hang up either because they are resisted or because they are determined (as in caused to) be arrested and held in place.

On LRH and where he was coming from, I'd say he completely missed it.

You see, he was a dominator, a chronic out-flow, a must-be-at-cause and in-control artist. He could steal, but could not truly receive nor honor those who contributed to him . . . and hence he blew up. He spoke of "exchange"; but it worked for him only so long as it was one-way--and that was in, and into his pockets or into serving his glory.

So the ability to knowingly receive from another was a little foreign to him


Yep, the "Alan" I refer to is the one, the only, ACW

Do PM me on the other interest you have. I'll be delighted to pass on any info I can that is helpful. I'm into my mid-seventies, so we are the same generation And I would say we've got a lot more good years left in us yet So pursue your true dreams, aspirations and wants

Rog

Rog, with guys like us around, how does Dull old Fart justify his name? That whippersnapper is still in his 50's and is acting like he is old, give me a break.

Yes, for better or for worse, LRH couldl not just be "one of the boys." In personal relationships he was an input specialist while he did outflow tremendiously in his printed and oral words.

There is no humbleness or humility in him. He doesn't compliment the work of others except in a few extremely rare instances and often belitles people who are more famous than he is such as Einstein. He seems to go out of his way to knock Einstein at every opportunity. He must have been very jealous of Einstein for being adored and respected as being a great scientist. It must have been something he desired very badly for himself. The irony is that Einstein had no craving to be famous and was while LRH had a tremendous desire to have his name go down in world history and only had limited success in this regard.
Lkwdblds.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Is bio-electricity electricity- Zinj?

O.K. Lakey, you can call me Sweetly, too! It's all good!

Yes, you need to get those kids through college, and keep the household going. I just think you have a talent that you ought to be sharing with the world more, that's all, and want to encourage you to do so... No need to go to med school or anything! Maybe even take an extension course, or something, someday. Not trying to get you to do your life over!

By the way, I think I have a book for you, will pm ya.

Roger, I'm glad you joined us on the God thread. Our conversation is usually quite elevated here!

 

[finishedman]

For some reason or the other the sophistication and discernment of elitism’s exclusiveness commonly found in culture, subcultures and their projections has limited the possibility of individual potential evolving into its completeness and wholeness. Somewhere along the line probably direct thought was necessary, but certain forms of it have become the enemy of man now. It has become the enemy of man because the potential of the evolutionary process (if there is any such thing as an evolutionary process, I don't know; I can't make any definitive statement, but there seems to be something like that) is thwarted by the particularity of the beliefs and values present and prescribed by a particular group of people, because the ’particularity’ has created a 'perfect man', a 'true gentleman', a 'true blue', and so on and so on, and that is quite the opposite of what is inherent here. That inherent quality (or whatever it is you want to call it) I call 'personality'.

I use the word 'personality' in quite a different sense from the sense in which psychologists use the word. Every human being has a unique personality of his own, which is trying to express itself. The ’groupthink’ has created what is called a 'normal man'. Even on the larger scale, character building is in the interests of the continuity of the entire society. The character-building mechanism has suppressed and thwarted what is there inside you. It is in this sense that I use the word 'personality'. There is nobody like you anywhere in this world among the four billion people we have. Physiologically speaking, the individual is an extraordinary piece of creation by the evolutionary process, so I say that every individual is unique.

Whatever is there is trying to express itself and blossom into a human being. The human being has lost all of the animal instincts, and he has not developed the human instincts. What these people talk of -- psychic powers, clairvoyance, clairaudience -- they are all human instincts. And they are necessary because there are two things that the human organism is interested in. One: its survival at any cost. Why should it survive? I don't know; it is a foolish question to ask. That is one of the most important things: it has a survival mechanism of its own, which is quite different from the survival mechanism of the movement of thought in a particular direction. The second thing is: to reproduce itself. It has to reproduce. These are the two fundamental characteristics of the human organism, the living organism.

The cultured/artificial ’mind’ has made it impossible for the personality to express itself in its own way, because the particular, with all of its values and practices, has different ideas. It has created a neurotic state. It has created this divisive movement of thought. This divisive movement has got to come to an end if whatever is there is to express itself and come into flower. That possibility is part of the human mechanism: it is built-in there. So, this divisive movement, this neurotic condition of man, has got to come to an end. But is there anything that we can do?

 

[SweetnessandLight]

"The human being has lost all of the animal instincts,"

Hey Buddy, I'm not so sure that I have lost all mine, been saved by my instincts and intuitions on many an occasion! Others here also the same.

Speak for yourself, Pal!

 

[RogerB]

O.K. Lakey, you can call me Sweetly, too! It's all good!

Snipped . . . . .

Roger, I'm glad you joined us on the God thread. Our conversation is usually quite elevated here!

Hey, Sweetness, I'm and oldie here . . . I posted as #2 on the thread back in the beginning of May

Take a look; it was brilliant!

And you are right, the chat here is elevated; and it is conducted in a gentlemanly manner with decorum.

R

 

[RogerB]

Nice . . . .

For some reason or the other the sophistication and discernment of elitism’s exclusiveness commonly found in culture, subcultures and their projections has limited the possibility of individual potential evolving into its completeness and wholeness. Somewhere along the line probably direct thought was necessary, but certain forms of it have become the enemy of man now. It has become the enemy of man because the potential of the evolutionary process (if there is any such thing as an evolutionary process, I don't know; I can't make any definitive statement, but there seems to be something like that) is thwarted by the particularity of the beliefs and values present and prescribed by a particular group of people, because the ’particularity’ has created a 'perfect man', a 'true gentleman', a 'true blue', and so on and so on, and that is quite the opposite of what is inherent here. That inherent quality (or whatever it is you want to call it) I call 'personality'.

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The cultured/artificial ’mind’ has made it impossible for the personality to express itself in its own way, because the particular, with all of its values and practices, has different ideas. It has created a neurotic state. It has created this divisive movement of thought. This divisive movement has got to come to an end if whatever is there is to express itself and come into flower. That possibility is part of the human mechanism: it is built-in there. So, this divisive movement, this neurotic condition of man, has got to come to an end. But is there anything that we can do?

finishedman,

You asked: But is there anything that we can do?

Yes.

The first step would be the proper recognition of the human spirit's innate virtues and positive qualities. That is, to correctly articulate what they are. Alan has articulated five or six key ones that form the basis of our spiritual power(s) as being: Presence, Love, Truth, Knowledge, Relationships/Alignment, Integrity (as in wholeness/completeness), Creation.

Knowing these innate qualities, we can then work toward their full and proper restoration with appropriate processing.

This, then, would put the Being in position to more truthfully operate and, as you say above, "express itself and come into flower."

Rog