***OH MY GOD*** LRH's name finally omitted from Scientology.

[Alanzo]

In the course of my staff career, I got to know some uplines staff very well personally.

One specific person made me aware of the contempt that Int had for PAC. The staff were called "PAC Rats" or "PAC faces" to show that Int thought of them as just one mass. Like farm animals or insects.

When all of the evolutions started on the service org bases in the very late 80s and the early 90s, more PAC staff who hadn't realized before quite how much management had contempt for them were beginning to get the picture. The CMO and other Int people giving PAC their "brefings" were basically telling them that management thought that PAC and everyone in PAC was a pile of shit.

So, yeah. Eventually I'd say that everyone pretty much knew.

Just as all Scientologists pretty much assume the same attitudes towards "psychs" that LRH displayed, I think these attitudes had to come from LRH, or else they would not be so uniform.

It was probably something he wrote in an Advice to Int, and they all assumed the attitude LRH had.

I heard somewhere that LRH was looking for a house in the early 1980's and said he specifically did not want one on LA because there were too many Scientologists there.

 

[Lulu Belle]

Lulu Belle, did staff get FSMC for public to upper orgs or is that just for Class V staff?

We did get one once in a blue moon from Flag.

Most of the time some public FSM would claim it, and the org would be screwed out of it.

 

[Lulu Belle]

I find this a very touching display of loyalty, in particular because as far as I know you are no longer interested in scientology. Anyone would be lucky to have you as a friend.

Thanks, Terril.

It even surprises me how angry this still makes me, after all this time.

 

[Lulu Belle]

I have little to add except the observation/comment that I'd thought, when I was public, that we were, as Scn'ists, all in it together. I never dreamt that anyone would discriminate against other Scn'ists because of the org or who was this post or who worked where or who wasn't staff but was public.

I don't think that a lot of us realized it, in the beginning.

I know I didn't.

Especially within the SO. I never realized that a Sea Org member in an org like ASHO or Flag was considered "less" than an SO member at a management org.

As you are in longer, and see more, and finally twig on what is going on, your realize it's more than just different orgs and different functions.

It's a caste system.

And it became more of one as time went on, thanks to the influence of DM and his contempt for everyone in Scientology, public and staff.

 

[Tanstaafl]

We did get one once in a blue moon from Flag.

Most of the time some public FSM would claim it, and the org would be screwed out of it.

What a crock.

I admire you and all the others who put up with this bullshit and came out with their sanity (and hopefully some faith in human nature) intact.

 

[Tanstaafl]

I heard somewhere that LRH was looking for a house in the early 1980's and said he specifically did not want one on LA because there were too many Scientologists there.

That can be taken more than one way Alanzo. Since he was trying to keep his location a secret it wouldn't make sense to be around a lot of Scns. Once spotted, word would soon get around. Anyway, it seems unlikely that he would choose a densely populated area.

 

[Zinjifar]

I don't think that a lot of us realized it, in the beginning.

I know I didn't.

Especially within the SO. I never realized that a Sea Org member in an org like ASHO or Flag was considered "less" than an SO member at a management org.

As you are in longer, and see more, and finally twig on what is going on, your realize it's more than just different orgs and different functions.

It's a caste system.

And it became more of one as time went on, thanks to the influence of DM and his contempt for everyone in Scientology, public and staff.

Only since then?

I can't imagine how a Staff first meeting the SO, or anyone first meeting the CMO could possibly stay naive to the 'caste system'.

It might possibly be said that 'things were different' back before the creation of the SO, but, even then it was a 'caste system', with caste being Ron and Everybody Else and gradiations depending on 'how close to Ron Are You?'

In fact, that caste system *still* functions, although the more formalized CMO, SO to SO gradiations, staff, public, raw meat, everybody else has evolved.

But, just say 'When I told Ron.....' and listen to the hush

Zinj

 

[Alanzo]

That can be taken more than one way Alanzo. Since he was trying to keep his location a secret it wouldn't make sense to be around a lot of Scns. Once spotted, word would soon get around. Anyway, it seems unlikely that he would choose a densely populated area.

True.

It could be taken both ways.

If you took it that way, then you would be very angry at the evil SPs at the IRS who imprisoned Mary Sue and tried to get at LRH, too. Who nobly, and sadly had to stay away from his beloved Scientologists who might identify him and unwittingly betray him, just to keep his research going into the upper OT levels - to save all mankind.

What a sacrifice he made for us.

He loved us sooo much!

 

[Tanstaafl]

True.

It could be taken both ways.

I hate to give you another excuse to get your stats up, but......... my point was that you put something over with a strong bias.

If you took it that way, then you would be very angry at the evil SPs at the IRS who imprisoned Mary Sue and tried to get at LRH, too. Who nobly, and sadly had to stay away from his beloved Scientologists who might identify him and unwittingly betray him, just to keep his research going into the upper OT levels - to save all mankind.

That's one hell of a leap of logic. One might say almost super-human.

No-one should be above the law.

What a sacrifice he made for us.

He loved us sooo much!

Yes, true. But no greater than the sacrifice Alanzo has made to spread the word of sanity and reason amongst the sad and deluded of ESMB who still cling to the hope of a technology that will bring them to higher states of being. Like myself.

 

[Alanzo]

I hate to give you another excuse to get your stats up, but......... my point was that you put something over with a strong bias.

Yes, I'll do that every once in a while. Especially when I think a strong bias is required by me.

That's one hell of a leap of logic. One might say almost super-human.

No-one should be above the law.

Except when it's the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics.

Yes, true. But no greater than the sacrifice Alanzo has made to spread the word of sanity and reason amongst the sad and deluded of ESMB who still cling to the hope of a technology that will bring them to higher states of being. Like myself.

All right.

But all Alanzo can do is all Alanzo can do.

It's the cross I have to bear...

 

[Lulu Belle]

There was a time where the PAC base was SO BAD (ie: the staff were considered a bunch of degraded beings, the buildings nasty and rundown and dirty, etc) that Int Execs were weary and rolled their eyes about having to go to the PAC Base to do anything (people from uplines HATED having to do PAC Missions, cause it was considered a lost cause). It is not in that state now, but late 80's, early 90's. (Probably until that PAC Clean up mission Lulu was talking about with Jenny Devocht). Prior to that, the PAC Base was the eyesore of the Sea Org and uplines.

Ironically, the PAC base in general and AOLA in particular was making more money in the mid to late 80s then it ever has since. AOLA alone was generating from $200,000 to $500,000 a week in GI regularly.

Does anyone know what PAC's income is these days?

 

[Zinjifar]

No-one should be above the law.

"Somebody some day will say 'this is illegal'. By then be sure the orgs say what is legal or not."

Zinj

 

[Alanzo]

Ironically, the PAC base in general and AOLA in particular was making more money in the mid to late 80s then it ever has since. AOLA alone was generating from $200,000 to $500,000 a week in GI regularly.

Does anyone know what PAC's income is these days?

You would think that would have at least bought some toilet paper for Mike and the other Solo Students.

 

[Tanstaafl]

You would think that would have at least bought some toilet paper for Mike and the other Solo Students.

I wouldn't. When on staff, I bought toilet paper for the shared staff/public toilets from my own wages - typically $35 per week.

This'll make you laugh, Alanzo - I couldn't bear to think how the lack of toilet paper would reflect on LRH with visitors. It felt degrading.

 

[Alanzo]

I wouldn't. When on staff, I bought toilet paper for the shared staff/public toilets from my own wages - typically $35 per week.

This'll make you laugh, Alanzo - I couldn't bear to think how the lack of toilet paper would reflect on LRH with visitors. It felt degrading.

I did similar things.

I'm not laughing.

I want my TP money refund!

 

[Pooks]

I did similar things.

I'm not laughing.

I want my TP money refund!

I think this calls for a class action suit!!!



Patty

 

[Tanstaafl]

I did similar things.

I'm not laughing.

I want my TP money refund!

No purchase order, no cash.

I knew a staff member who bought a tv for the org to show promo videos etc.
He was meant to get the money back........

Possibly worse was the use of Scn public businesses, e.g. printers. They would go straight to the back of the dateline because there was no PR-flap attached. Since Class V orgs are rarely solvent, someone might be OTXV before they got paid.

 

[Lulu Belle]

Just as all Scientologists pretty much assume the same attitudes towards "psychs" that LRH displayed, I think these attitudes had to come from LRH, or else they would not be so uniform.

It was probably something he wrote in an Advice to Int, and they all assumed the attitude LRH had.

I heard somewhere that LRH was looking for a house in the early 1980's and said he specifically did not want one on LA because there were too many Scientologists there.

I think there's a lot of truth to this.

There probably are LRH advices where he talks degradingly about PAC. I seem to recall actually having read a couple, but I can't remember them now.

Any of the ex-Int staff reading this know?

 

[Vinaire]

The general explanation in the seventies was that all this money is needed to fight the very powerful vested interests on this planet. Is that explanation still being used?

Another explanation was that life has to be tough and adventurous for us to keep interest in the game and make progress.

Reading the data on this thread and also reading some stories on how DM has wasted money on hobby horses, I have started to wonder what the money earned by CoS is being targeted for.

.

 

[Zinjifar]

The general explanation in the seventies was that all this money is needed to fight the very powerful vested interests on this planet. Is that explanation still being used?

Another explanation was that life has to be tough and adventurous for us to keep interest in the game and make progress.

Reading the data on this thread and also reading some stories on how DM has wasted money on hobby horses, I have started to wonder what the money earned by CoS is being targeted for.

.

A ranch in Creston? Lawyers? Thugs? 'Certainty'?
A casino in Paraguay?

Ever undwindling 'reserve funds'?

Zinj