OMG! Marty Rathbun's Letter to TC's Lawyer!!

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
And why are spreading [removed 'false' here and replaced with] inaccurate & spun information about what Marty Rathbun is or is not doing, Alanzo ? :no:

Michael "The Sneakster" Hobson
I am *not* anonymous. I *do* forgive

Yay! Another challenge from Sneakster!!!

Go ahead and provide the "inaccurate" and "spun" information that I am spreading, and I'll tell you why.

Or, maybe, after you provide it, you can see that I have already said why.

But whatever. Let's see my inaccurate and spun statements...

I can't wait!
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
That's an interesting letter.

Tom's lawyer tells him to stop using Tom's name YET Marty says that he has been "protecting" Tom in some ways (i.e. before he received the letter).

Speculation:
If Marty wants to see DM deposed as COB so that he can ride back into CofS on a white horse to save the CofS he would certainly want Tom's backing (and his money).
 

Carmel

Crusader
<snip>

Speculation:
If Marty wants to see DM deposed as COB so that he can ride back into CofS on a white horse to save the CofS he would certainly want Tom's backing (and his money).

Yeah, except that the letter is saying a lot without saying it, and the fact that the letter has been posted on the net, wouldn't make Tom very happy. :unsure:
 

Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
Yeah, except that the letter is saying a lot without saying it, and the fact that the letter has been posted on the net, wouldn't make Tom very happy. :unsure:

Of course it wouldn't.

More speculation:
Marty may be getting ready to make an offer to Tom that Tom can't refuse.
(IOW, that's what Marty is hinting at in his response letter.)
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
Thank-you for the link Sneaks.

It seems he gave them exactly 2 weeks before he posted the letter on his site to ensure that Tom would/could see it.

It also seems as if Marty may indeed have a battle plan ... and be taking riding lessons (he won't want to fall off the white horse at the pertinent moment).

Ah well, he is still a believer in the 'tech' and he gave his best years to it and probably wants a return on his investment and Mike Rinder seems to be quietly attending the same riding club.

It is a shame as it means once DM is dumped it will all just carry on with new leaders (that was always going to happen though) ... but the damage IS done (to scientology) and it will weaken and die eventually.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Thank-you for the link Sneaks.

It seems he gave them exactly 2 weeks before he posted the letter on his site to ensure that Tom would/could see it.

It also seems as if Marty may indeed have a battle plan ... and be taking riding lessons (he won't want to fall off the white horse at the pertinent moment).

Ah well, he is still a believer in the 'tech' and he gave his best years to it and probably wants a return on his investment and Mike Rinder seems to be quietly attending the same riding club.

It is a shame as it means once DM is dumped it will all carry on with new leaders, that was always on the cards though ... but the damage IS done (to scientology) and it will weaken and die eventually.

Oh great!

So maybe we can see the new voice/face of Scientology again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGdvEOhc8ws

And also remember, Marty Rathbun destroyed evidence in the Lisa McPherson case to avoid criminal prosecution, as he seems to be suppressing evidence of wrongdoing/criminal activity still to this day.

So after Davey goes to jail, it will be the same old Church of Scientology all over again.

No thanks.
 

Operating DB

Truman Show Dropout
Marty is looking to bury Miscavige and cash in on the carnage.

It smells of ... Miscavige is the problem, and not Scientology, so everyone is allowed to use Miscavige as a scapegoat for all of the abuse caused by Hubbard's cult.

Marty is still too fucked up in the head to realize Hubbard is the core of the problem and Miscavige just happened to be the next Ronbot in line to head Hubbard's Totalitarian cult.

Right on! Now that's the truth!
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Hey Alanzo,

I didn't say I LIKED it!

It will just mean the fight continues, only with different 'leaders' ...

I know. I just started thinking about it and had to blurt out the first thing that came to my mind: Mike Rinder's lying sneer.

That's what I was saying "No thanks" to.

He needs to keep being a used car salesman. He should not be let near anything that requires truth and honesty in dealing with people, especially something as mentally dangerous as Scientology.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
I know. I just started thinking about it and had to blurt out the first thing that came to my mind: Mike Rinder's lying sneer.

That's what I was saying "No thanks" to.

He needs to keep being a used car salesman. He should not be let near anything that requires truth and honesty in dealing with people, especially something as mentally dangerous as Scientology.


Yeah, I figured that.

:)

At least Mike Rinder was good enough to give us a few tools to use against him (if and when he does end up back there) ...

:whistling:
 

Rmack

Van Allen Belt Sunbather
Hold on to your hats folks!

"Marty Rathbun's letter to Tom Cruise's attorney..

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I think the international media and representatives of Nicole Kidman, Pat Kingsley & Katie Holmes would be interested in this. Hopefully, Mark will shed more light on Tom Cruise's personal role in abusing others (mimicking DM's behavior) and who the victims were.

This could really damage TC's career and force the actor to reconsider hisfriendship & relationship with DM & TD.
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Top Gun and Hired Gun put on notice - August 26, 2009

Bertram Fields
Greenberg, Glusker, et al.
1900 Avenue of the Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067

August 12, 2009

re: Your letter of August 7 received August 10 via email


Dear Bert,

It is great to hear from you. I appreciate the civil tone of your letter as well as its appeal to reason.

Because I also appreciate the fact that you have championed fundamental human rights for many, I believe there is information you need to know concerning ongoing abuses that you are unwittingly supporting.

Please take the time to consider the information I am providing in response to your expressed concerns. You may find that information raises more serious and far-reaching concerns to your client and you than those you have outlined.

I will quote the entirety of your letter in sections by topic so that I clearly and thoroughly respond to each of the concerns you have expressed.

“Apparently, you have repeatedly announced to the public that you were Tom’s ‘auditor’ at the Church of Scientology, and you have used that announcement, including Tom’s name, on your website to promote your business or profession.”

Unfortunately, you apparently have been misinformed about my public utterances as well as my web blog reference. Nowhere have I used my past relationship with Tom for purposes of promoting either a business or profession.

I do not run any business. I have never used Tom’s name in a promotional context. I am a person who helps many people who have been abused by David Miscavige.

That includes someone you know personally, Mike Rinder, whom I witnessed Miscavige savagely beat on at least a dozen occasions. Bert, I am not talking about an isolated incident.

I am referring to more than a dozen incidents wherein David Miscavige performed aggravated assault on the same person you and your lovely wife dined with at the Celebrity Center.

Three witnesses to this type of activity on Miscavige’s part corroborated me a series of articles published in the St. Petersburg Times 21-23 June. You can view that multi-media presentation at the following link:

Scientology: The truth rundown | Tampabay.com St. Petersburg Times

Since that initial series another eleven eye witnesses to Miscavige’s human rights violations have stepped forward and gone on record. Their accounts can be seen at the following link:

Strength in their numbers: More Church of Scientology defectors come forward with accounts of abuse - St. Petersburg Times

Each public utterance I have made concerning Tom has been made in his defense. I witnessed Tom’s career and public image plummet following Miscavige orchestrating the firing of Pat Kingsley and replacing her with Tom’s Scientologist sister so that Miscavige could manipulate Tom’s public discourse and censor Tom’s exposure to information concerning Miscavige’s human rights abuses.

I have defended Tom – while keeping his confessions sacrosanct – by emphatically emphasizing that Tom’s questionable public behavior in 2004 and 2005 was simply a reflection of Miscavige’s influence; and that prior to Miscavige imposing himself into every aspect of Tom’s life he was a caring, loving family man, dedicated to worthy social causes, and was the nicest person anyone would ever want to meet.

“This is not only a serious invasion of Tom’s privacy and a violation of the priest-penitent relationship, it is the unauthorized use of Tom’s name to promote a business or professional venture, which is a clear violation of Tom’s common law and statutory rights.”

I have not and would never disclose any confidences of Tom’s nor anyone else’s whom I have counseled. If Tom has concerns about that type of activity he should be very concerned about the activities of Miscavige.

He has shown he is willing to do precisely what you have mistakenly accused me of doing. Miscavige and his Church sycophants have been roundly criticized for the wholesale public disclosure of coerced confessions in response to the whistle blowing actions of myself, Mike, Tom Devocht and Amy Scobee (reference the St Pete Times Truth Rundown Series).

For more on Miscavige’s proclivity for using confessions for purposes of blackmail, coercion and control please see my video taped interview segment at: Scientology: Marty Rathbun video | Tampabay.com St. Petersburg Times

If Tom is worried about me mentioning his name and the fact of my having audited him, again his concern should more properly be directed at Miscavige. Not only did Miscavige direct the public release of confessions, he suborned the perjury of a number of his underlings, and specifically had them state under oath that I never had a position of authority within the Religious Technology Center and had no training as an auditor.

The best evidence of that perjury is that in 2001 through 2003 Miscavige personally assigned me as Inspector General RTC – the second highest ecclessiastical position in the religion – to coordinate Tom’s divorce from Nicole and to serve as his auditor.

Notwithstanding the fact Miscavige has directed his people to publicly call me a “fucking lunatic”, “psychotic”, “thug with an emeter”, “apostate”, “deprogrammer”, and “hit man” you and Tom have enough experience with me to know I can maintain my composure under pressure. I have done just that to protect Tom at every turn.

Dozens of former Church members have turned to me livid about Tom’s continuing public support for Miscavige. I have dissuaded each and every one of them from attacking Tom publicly.

I have also counseled people who were abused by Tom personally – in matters that eerily resemble the behavior of Miscavige – to give Tom the time to get educated and do the right thing which I have convinced them he ultimately will do.

“Just imagine a Catholic Priest leaving the Church and then trying to drum up business as a lay-therapist by advertisting that he had been Frank Sinatra’s confessor. Most people would consider that disgusting and reprehensible. Yet, what you are doing is exactly the same.”

Bert, I believe your analogy is inapt. Please imagine for a moment that a Catholic Cardinal witnessed the Pope engaging in and condoning on an institutional level the molestation of altar boys.

Imagine the Pope blatantly used his relationship with Frank Sinatra to project to Catholics and the general public an image quite contrary and more upstanding and holy than could be expected to engage in the unlawful and reprehensible activity he was in fact engaged in.

Imagine the Pope, when confronted with the truth, publicly published the confessions of the whistleblowing Cardinal, claimed he was never a Cardinal to begin with – not even a Priest – and was therefore never in a position to witness what he in fact did witness.

And imagine the Pope continued to tout Frank Sinatra’s support of him and while hiding behind that endorsement carried on authorizing the abuse of children across the world.

Put yourself into the shoes of the Cardinal. Would you consider it an unethical decision for that Cardinal to ask publicly, “if I was never a Cardinal, and I was never a priest, how is it that the Pope invested so much trust in me that he personally assigned me to counsel Frank Sinatra”?

And would you criticize that Cardinal if he went out of his way to defend Sinatra’s character and sought to distinguish it from the corrupt, pedophile Pope?

Now, to make my analogy even more accurate, assume the Cardinal is approached by former members of the Vatican and Sinatra’s inner circles seeking solace and guidance in dealing with their own experiences at the hands of the Pope and Sinatra.

Assume also that they witnessed the Pope continuing to commit the cruelest abuses in the name of Sinatra.

I do not believe it would be your contention that the Cardinal should remain silent while knowing that the corrupt Pope and Sinatra are engaged in violations of civil and human rights on an ongoing basis.

If you believe I am weaving an unreal analogy, you might want to touch base with someone you know better than me — Mike Rinder (******@*****.net). He can tell you that my analogy is both accurate and appropriate. He can also tell you how far beyond the call of duty I have gone to protect Tom in all this.

To better understand my motivations and actions I invite you and your client to study my web blog – and its links – at: Moving On Up a Little Higher

Finally, I believe that as one of America’s most respected attorneys and human rights advocates you would be remiss if you did not directly hand this letter to your client.

That means personally hand it to Tom: not Tommy Davis, Lee Anne nor anybody other than your client. I believe Tom will be doing himself a terrible disservice if he does not carefully read and view the entirety of each link I have provided herein.

Rest assured, I have Tom’s best interests at heart.


Sincerely,

Marty Rathbun

Moving On Up a Little Higher"



Oh, yeah????



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MostlyLurker

Patron Meritorious
Don't expect the cops to be called unless Marty can capitalize on it. He learned well from Hubbard ... in fact too well, just like Miscavige did.
He has no respect for Sceintologists what so ever, he will only help their plight if he can benefit from it him.

...
Speculation:
If Marty wants to see DM deposed as COB so that he can ride back into CofS on a white horse to save the CofS he would certainly want Tom's backing (and his money).

I don't think this is accurate.

In his latest blog entries Marty explain some of his behaviour:

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/anonymous-uk/ (about an Anonymous call received, with interesting comments added)

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/anonymous-uk-follow-up/ (he replies to the concerns of the commenters)

...
Because every word I utter is fair game for DA packs and lawyer letters and is exploited to the hilt, I am not inclined to use this forum – where emotion and passion sometimes reign - for cross examination of me.

But I will say a couple things that might assuage some common concerns. I have no intention of ever going back to the Church of Scientology – in any capacity whatsoever. I believe it has been so thoroughly rotted to the core that it is a lost cause. Having the benefit of a lot of hindsight, I doubt whether organized religion of any kind is very workable. I deplore and would never even consider practicing fair game, disconnection, SP declares, RPF and a plethora of other abusive tricks the current C of S practices.
...

I am happy about what he is doing and how he is doing it.

I believe he is on a recovery path too:

I don’t think I can make my position on Scientology any clearer than in the 31 Factors, my other web page articles, the SP Times video interviews – and as supplamented above; except to the extent I update as I evolve.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
Mostlylurker,

That is really interesting ... thank-you for that.

I had not seen it before (obviously) and I sincerely hope it is true and that it stays true (as he evolves).

:happydance:
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
Hey, I think this is a GREAT development!

Wanna break up a mafia crime syndicate? Yer gonna need to make a deal with mass-murderer Sammy The Bull Gravano if you wanna take down John "The Teflon Don" Gotti. That's just how it goes down.

Doesn't sit right with the wives and children of all the murder victims that Sammy whacked. Bitter pill to swallow to give him immunity and a witness protection deal after a mild slap on the wrist.

But to win a war there are COMPROMISES.

Hey, World War II. Didya know that the Russians took 40,000,000 mortalities fighting the Nazis on the Eastern front. That was a good deal for the Americans & British fighting forces, wasn't it? So what that Stalin masterminded ten million deaths in his terror-filled Great Purge? It was not related to the Allied fight against the Nazis, so it was put aside for practical reasons.

If the US/British had stood "on principal" to not cooperate with the Russian's then 40 million more deaths may have been visited upon American and English troops. "Better them than us!" may be a good policy in war to follow when death is at your door.

So, what the hell difference does it make AT THIS POINT IN TIME who did what to whom? Even if Rathbun is a mini-DM with even worse designs and methods for the CoS; even if Tom Cruise is a rapist and serial wife beater and has gleefully participated in beatings and torture of Sea Org members for fun with DM....so what?

Give it some time to ferment a bit. Let it start to bubble and then see what shocking new revelations they choke out of one another. This is like a free sec check on the players that never let themselves be sec checked. They will be blowing the whistle on each other like rush hour at an implant station. Let 'em! It's fun and informative for the world.

Let OSA get completely overwhelmed investigating and "handling" enemies on every side, in the apartment upstairs and looking for listening devices in their e-meters. Let the CoS resources be scattered and wasted on all these family feuds. I think it's Hillbilly-Heaven!

Isn't that how we got Tommy Davis to spill his guts (under terrorizing pressure) that it was a regular occurrence for Sea Org Execs to throw down beatings on other top execs? He didn't just VOLUNTEER this info. It only came out when he was besieged by unpredicted revelations of disgruntled ex S.O. That is Rathbun's hat in this. So more power to him!

I am more than satisfied to let a lot of stuff slide for the time being...it will all come out eventually, don't worry about the injustices that may be temporarily "set aside".

To watch a great beast like a dinosaur or the monstrosity that is the Church Of Scientology be slayed is an ugly, ugly series of incapacitations. Animals go down in stages, in sickening thuds and terror-filled moments. That's how the CoS will go down...in hideous segments.

I love watching the internecine bloodfest that is shaping up. A veritable tableau of public relation's carnage. Who cares who the hangman or the accusers or the guilty are. They are all part of the same charade, only in varying degrees.

Let the CoS re-dedicate tens of millions to fighting for DM's safety while Cruise pathetically attempts to stop the inexorable leak of truth about who he really is come out. Let Hollywood super-attorneys and agents get an ice-cold "overboarding" when they even think about signing another Scientology actor. Let 'em have at each other! It's good when Crips and Bloods fight each other on their own turf...better than if they both join forces and come to a Starbucks while I am trying to read a book over a double espresso.

Let all them boys start to fight for the lifeboat. This is "musical chairs" played out sine Bohemian Rhapsody with a star-studded cast. I am thrilled that Rathbun sparked it cuz, in the words of Fat Clemenza (from the Godfather) after Michael Corleone asks him how bad the war between the 5 New York Families is going to be:

Clemenza: "Pretty goddam bad. Probably all the other Families will line up against us. That's all right. These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood. Been ten years since the last one. You know, you gotta stop them at the beginning. Like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich, they should never let him get away with that, they was just asking for trouble."

Rathbun is cool with me. If he is not cool it'll get handled later. I like him cuz he is making this whole atrocity called the Church of Scientology go to the mattresses.(*)



(*) "go to the mattresses" expression describing mafia soldiers renting out apartments and filling them with mattresses for their hired killers to sleep in during a mafia war.
 
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SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
This is interesting to say the least.. Uhm.. Seems like the comments I would have made to Mark's letter has been posted already..

However:
dude said:
Markrathbun.Wordpress.com: Anonymous UK follow up
...
Because every word I utter is fair game for DA packs and lawyer letters and is exploited to the hilt, I am not inclined to use this forum – where emotion and passion sometimes reign - for cross examination of me.

But I will say a couple things that might assuage some common concerns. I have no intention of ever going back to the Church of Scientology – in any capacity whatsoever. I believe it has been so thoroughly rotted to the core that it is a lost cause. Having the benefit of a lot of hindsight, I doubt whether organized religion of any kind is very workable. I deplore and would never even consider practicing fair game, disconnection, SP declares, RPF and a plethora of other abusive tricks the current C of S practices.
...
This I can understand very well! (Is this the same Mr. Rathbun as of a few months back!?)

Anyways.. I'm starting to like the man..

A curious thought: What I expected from scientologists, many years ago, was that they were very intelligent and sane. Able to 'create' and maintain a much better society. Better organized.. And very importantly, have that society free of crime and insanity...

This obviously would include the ability, of the group, to remove a 'leader' who fell short of expectations.

But equally obvious is the groups inability to do that. Scientology policy directs to a totalitarian organization specifically. However, this is not obvious until a lot of 'policies' has been read and probably one needs to be on staff too..

These days, thank's to the internet and former members and staff refusing to be quiet, we can observe the results in the actuality of the cult.

Hmm.. Mr. Ratbun, Rinder and others are in fact removing the terrormidget in an apparent attempt to right the cult...

But it's too little too late imo.

Harrump! - That was just a sort of useless speculation.. Scientology, Hubbards writings and the tech, is a 'blueprint' for the totalitarian mess we see. Any 'restart' will create it again... That's my conviction of that.

I won't 'protect' the Cruisemeister! - But that's really not him personally I'm objecting about. It's his shilling for the cult! - Soon as he stops that shit I'll revise my opinion about him.

:yes:
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Hmmm. I really hope he had the foresight to run this by an attorney FIRST. Unfortunately I strongly suspect he didn't. :ohmy:


Mark A. Baker

No litigation will occur on this. It's just saber rattling.

Super attorney wrote that at the behest and instruction of his client who is using LRH attack/intimidation tech.

Bad mistake. Now it's worse than before.

Tom should have shut up with Matt Lauer and he should have shut up now.

He doesn't realize that his money and power and celebrity is not the appropriate weapon in a Public Relations war.

He will lose badly unless he reverses course and backs out of this minefield slowly and carefully, gently re-tracing his footsteps.

PR wars are won with smiles and such. Tom needs to go back to his roots and turn on the charm.
 

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
I don't think Tom Cruise has any hand in this.. I think the cult maintains a 'safe theta environment' for him. He may not even be aware that his 'attorney' is talking on his behalf. DM and OSA legal dept. will be aware of it though..

:duh:
 
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