On being Exterior, your views ?

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Back in 90s I was living in scn student dorms, and my best friend missed his mother. On TRs he went exterior ,went home and saw that his mom moved all furniture in the house and hanged new curtains. He called his mom on the phone later and discribed how the house looks now, the color of the curtains and everything and his mom was very surprised and was keep asking how did he know.
I also can go exterior and do that a lot
One time,for example,my kids were playing at playground and I went out of my body and felt that some danger is comming. I told my kids to leave right away and we went to the library. When we came back, we passed the same playground. The huge branch of a very old tree felt down and smashed the fence,bent down the swings and smashed a metal "car" with a -in pipe inside that my daugher liked to hide in.
Does this count as a prove?
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Hmm... I had an OT5 freind who stated that he could go exterior at will. As he should, being an OT5.. So I asked him to do so and be at my moms house and tell me what cars came round the corner there. I'd then call my mom on the phone and have her verify..

My OT5 freind told me never to ask a thing like that.

 

[thefiredragon]

Just missing the magicness of available parking spaceness and all-greeness traffic lightness!

Oops, my badness. Got my tone40 postulateness mixed up with my full-percepticness exteriorness.

I'm not kidding. My kids could be dead otherwise.
Here there is a slideshow of this event I made a while back.
It has 5 pictures but it may take up to 2 min to download, depends what kind of internet you have

http://www.slide.com/r/BDQfOBSJ2j-oKr2TEyZ5bCp5EvM1KpyE

 

[Veda]

This is from the 'Stably exterior with full perception' thread of 2007:

Possibly this was my most embarrassing incident to do with LRH.

It occured on the Original Class VIII course, in Oct 1968.

We were docked in Corfu, a small Greek Island halfway between Greece and Italy.

Each night at 8.00 p.m. LRH gave a lecture.

We were in the main dining room which doubled as the lecture room. Behind LRH were the picture windows facing out to the docks across the way.

Thus there were an approx 300 of the upper level SO Staff and Class VIII students crammed into this room - facing Hubbard and Mary-Sue who sat alongside LRH - so except for LRH and MSH we all viewed the activities outside the windows.

Each night at around 8.30 pm there was a ferry from Corfu to Brindisi that would leave. It was very punctual. There was a lot of clanging and banging and the reving of engines and the ferry would come chugging past us - the sounds are probably still on the tapes.

Of course this pissed LRH off - he would turn and glare at the offending ferry boat.

Any way one night at the exact time there was the usual clanging and banging and the reving of engines the chugging past us noise.

LRH does not turn his head but stares straight us and proceeds to give us how he is exterior with full perceptics - and describes the ferry, etc. He was really puffed up with his ability to demonstrate his exterior with full perceptics.

The only problem was that night a tug boat towing a garbage scow was went past the windows.

We all witnessed it - the emperor was naked!!!

There was deathly silence in the room - the room went very solid. No one looked at another.

Later on only Fred Fairchild, Nev Chamberlin and I dare speak about it. But every staff member and future Class VIII were given a major withhold that night.

Alan

 

[AngeloV]

Not proof

Firedragon:

Single data points such as this do not prove anything paranormal. Ask yourself these questions:

1. How many times did you 'think' something was going to happen and it didn't?
2. How many times did you think someone was about to phone you and they didn't?
3. How many times did you feel funny about someone and they turned out to be a nice person?
etc.

People assign great significance to random coincidences all the time which they think 'proves' paranormal insight or abilities. Single data points such as your experience prove nothing. Although I'm glad your kids are OK.

 

[uniquemand]

Selection bias.

 

[thefiredragon]

Firedragon:

Single data points such as this do not prove anything paranormal. Ask yourself these questions:

1. How many times did you 'think' something was going to happen and it didn't?
2. How many times did you think someone was about to phone you and they didn't?
3. How many times did you feel funny about someone and they turned out to be a nice person?
etc.

1. may be only a few times
2. never
3.Once
I usualy have good "7th sense" or at least, I think I do. After I left the church,my abilities to be outside the body improved ,actualy.

 

[paradox]

It counts as 2 success stories for "Advance" magazine.

I'm not kidding. My kids could be dead otherwise.
Here there is a slideshow of this event I made a while back.
It has 5 pictures but it may take up to 2 min to download, depends what kind of internet you have

http://www.slide.com/r/BDQfOBSJ2j-oKr2TEyZ5bCp5EvM1KpyE

Regardless of the interpretive value of the event, pro or con, I am definitely glad for you and your [beautiful--well, your daughter anyways; couldn't make out the features of the whoever was in the tree limbs :wink2:] children were not at the scene when it occurred. My flip comment was directed more at the remark about the "OT" stories in Advance! mag. Many stories and much to-do about the successful postulating of available parking spots and green traffic lights. OT Powerz!

Thing is, all those stories--including ones like your own--have similar counterparts outside anything remotely to do with the aggrandized and pretentious $cn pseudo-"tech" and its endless obsession with ego-stroking mind stuff.

As related by you, I think your story illustrates a magnificent sensitivity to your own native intuition or call it what-you-will. Personally, I have no problem with the notion that something you experienced in $cn pseudo-"tech" may have honed that natural ability. But I would gently suggest you perhaps keep the door open towards re-evaluating your estimate of $cn's overall importance and positive influence in your life, some day, in due time.

Particularly when it comes to the so-called OT states and abilities. Keeping in mind that a state of anything is only temporal, by definition. I have found that there is only one unborn/undying [no]thing that is permanent and from everything I saw, read, heard, and experienced with Hubbard pseudo-"tech" he completely missed the boat; hung up and obsessed as he was with addressing mind, pc-ness, and thetan-ness to the near exclusion of that centered non-conceptualized being from which mind and thetan-ness being emerge. And it isn't his version of conceptualized static, either. The man just never made it, but buried himself fully in the madness of the ego-trap he made for himself and others.

But can't deny it was an interesting pathway for a tad while there for myself.

I had great realizations from my hard tr's comm course and life repair back in '75 when I was introduced to the subject at the STL Org. But from the vantage point of many years of experience and maturity since those rather naive, wayward days I can honestly say I would have grown as nicely and as well on any other pathway; particularly the one I found since those days. Ah well, 20/20 and all that.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Correctamundo!

A word that I have never used, and hope never to use in the future.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

You need to relax

That's the way I write when I am relaxed.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Hatshepsut]

That's the way I write when I am relaxed.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Selection bias.

And so?

Selection bias doesn't either disprove or discount data, it merely illuminates a difficulty innate to the proper analysis of it.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Hatshepsut]

And so?

Selection bias doesn't either disprove or discount data, it merely illuminates a difficulty innate to the proper analysis of it.


Mark A. Baker

Mathematically speaking of course......

 

[Mark A. Baker]

It had been remarked by David Mayo that it is sort of a misconception that a being can be 'in' anything anyway. So I guess you have to ask yourself what it is that is 'in' or 'went in' or 'can't go in' or is 'being trapped' etc. It is a mass or an identity or something the being is identified 'with' or has created that went in...even if its just perhaps a very subtle nuance or substitute for himself.

The idea of "interiorization" or "being interior" is a consideration which a being may hold. So are the related ideas of "exteriorization" or "being exterior". They reflect relative states of mind. They are also genuine subjective experiences. They also occur "on a gradient". A person can be "gradiently exterior", just as he can be "gradiently interior". Two ways of viewing the same subjective mental phenomena.

What tends to be addressed in auditing about "exteriorization" are underlying fundamental considerations which a being may have which apparently result in compulsive "interiorization" or "exteriorization" phenomena. The fixed or obsessive considerations which the being may hold are the actual difficulty.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Mathematically speaking of course......

Are you cheeking me?




Mark A. Baker

 

[uniquemand]

Analyzing some data, while excluding mountains of contrary data, is a good recipe for believing in fairy tales.

 

[Hatshepsut]

The idea of "interiorization" or "being interior" is a consideration which a being may hold. So are the related ideas of "exteriorization" or "being exterior". They reflect relative states of mind. They are also genuine subjective experiences. They also occur "on a gradient". A person can be "gradiently exterior", just as he can be "gradiently interior". Two ways of viewing the same subjective mental phenomena.

What tends to be addressed in auditing about "exteriorization" are underlying fundamental considerations which a being may have which apparently result in compulsive "interiorization" or "exteriorization" phenomena. The fixed or obsessive considerations which the being may hold are the actual difficulty.


Mark A. Baker

I really got that Mark!

Yesterday I was looking over something in me that was inflamed again. And oooops....what da ya know...steadfast considerations...held in place... by an engram or two or three. But now why would that be my chronic dramatization of choice? :confused2:

 

[Pepin]

The idea of "interiorization" or "being interior" is a consideration which a being may hold. So are the related ideas of "exteriorization" or "being exterior". They reflect relative states of mind. They are also genuine subjective experiences. They also occur "on a gradient". A person can be "gradiently exterior", just as he can be "gradiently interior". Two ways of viewing the same subjective mental phenomena.

What tends to be addressed in auditing about "exteriorization" are underlying fundamental considerations which a being may have which apparently result in compulsive "interiorization" or "exteriorization" phenomena. The fixed or obsessive considerations which the being may hold are the actual difficulty.


Mark A. Baker

Why is it Mark, of all the people who post about these things on ESMB, YOU seem to be the only one who "GET'S IT"

I still hold to the view that being two feet behind the body is defacto exterior.

 

[uniquemand]

Perhaps he's the only one of us who really feels like rehashing it.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Perhaps he's the only one of us who really feels like rehashing it.

Except for the simple observation, U, that I'm not the one who starts these things. Nor am I especially interested in lengthy, heated arguments over the matter. My primary interest in these threads, such as it is, lies in clearing up the many popular misconceptions about philosophy, spirituality, the nature of mind, and subjective experience generally.

I learned long ago not to confuse considerations of "measurable phenomena" as being "objective reality". ALL knowledge is "of the mind", and as such it is innately subjective.

Additionally, I might add, you seem always to be quite eager to "enter the fray".


Mark A. Baker

 

[uniquemand]

Oh, I'm happy to jabber about most things, yes.

There does come a point where people just need to review the thread, though, rather than ask an already answered question again.