On being Exterior, your views ?

[programmer_guy]

The entity that people know now would be dead. There are mindless bodies. It's called a persistent vegetative state. However, as long as the nervous system is not irreparably damaged, I think it's possible to recover from a lot.

I've been declared dead. During those periods, I have exactly zero recall. Nothing. Somehow, I was jumpstarted again, three times. In each case, it was like being the terminator: suddenly, I was "online" again, though not all of my faculties were there, immediately. However, I became intensely aware that we can turn "off". At that point there is no suffering, because there is simply nothing. No light at the end of the tunnel. No angels. No nothing.

For one medical procedure, I found out that Propofol is great. No groggyness afterwards. It's like waking up from sleep.
My mental faculties were there quickly afterwards.

 

[programmer_guy]

Why is it Mark, of all the people who post about these things on ESMB, YOU seem to be the only one who "GET'S IT"

I still hold to the view that being two feet behind the body is defacto exterior.

Actually, it's "be three feet behind your head".

This was once thought to accomplish the "one shot" clear.
But even Hubbard finally admitted that this didn't work.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

If you are looking for OTs, you might want to try a message board not related to Scientology, Scientology has never produced an OT.

Could she not go to the FZ or independent section of this board, then?:confused2:

 

[uniquemand]

No matter where she goes, she won't find any OTs. They are a fiction.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

We're Related at Some Soul Level....

http://www.newrealitytransmission.com/

Nov. 11th, 11:11pm for 11 minutes.

Hi Uncle Artie!

I always pray for peace for everyone at 11:11. Been doing it for decades now...

Love you!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

No matter where she goes, she won't find any OTs. They are a fiction.

Depends on one's definition of that. in any event, she'll find others who think similarly...

 

[subgenius]

No matter where she goes, she won't find any OTs. They are a fiction.

NO OT's?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyigdRxPOR4
I'm actually proud of how that turned out.
The music is by Enturbulator 009 aka El Queso All Stars, and is used with his enthusiastic permission.
The album this is from was done in response to OSA harassment.
It rocks.
Also this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6v90STgVgg

 

[uniquemand]

Depends on one's definition of that. in any event, she'll find others who think similarly...

Here is LRH's definition of OT:

"Knowing and willing cause over matter, energy, space, time and life".

 

[programmer_guy]

Except for the simple observation, U, that I'm not the one who starts these things. Nor am I especially interested in lengthy, heated arguments over the matter.

“If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.” - Harry S. Truman

 

[programmer_guy]

Depends on one's definition of that. in any event, she'll find others who think similarly...

From the SCN Tech Dictionary

OPERATING THETAN,

1. a thetan exterior who can have but doesn't have to have a body in order to control or operate thought, life, matter, energy, space
and time. ( SH Spec 82, 6611C29)

2. willing and knowing cause over life, thought, matter, energy, space and time. And that would of course be mind and that would of course be universe. ( SH Spec 80, 6609C08)

3. an individual who could operate totally independently of his body whether he had one or didn't have one. He's now himself, he's not dependent on the universe around him. (SH Spec 66, 6509C09)

4. a Clear who has been refamiliarized with his capabilities. (HCOB 12 Jul 65)

5. a being at cause over matter, energy, space, time, form and life. Operating comes from "able to operate without dependency on things" and thetan is the Greek letter theta (ø), which the Greeks used to represent "thought" or perhaps "spirit" to which an "n" is added to make a
new noun in the modern style used to create words in engineering. (BCR, p. 10)

6. by operating thetan we mean theta clear plus ability to operate functionally against or with mest and other life forms. (SCP, p. 3)

7. this state of being is attained by drills and familiarity after the state of Clear has been obtained. A real OT has no reactive bank, is cause over matter, energy, space, time and thought and is completely free. (HCOB 12 Jul 65)

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Yes, it will not surprise anyone to know that I possess and have possessed tech dictionaries and that I know what Hubbard said about it.

 

[programmer_guy]

From "Scientology 8-8008"

Standard Operating Procedure, Issue 3

STEP I -- POSITIVE EXTERIORIZING: Ask the preclear to be a foot back of his head. If he does, make him go back further, then up, then down, practising placement in space and time. Then one asks him to see if there are any items in the body he would like to repair and proceeds to let the preclear repair them according to the preclear’s own ideas as to how he should do it. Then educate the preclear by making him create and destroy his own illusions into finally getting a certainty of illusion and from this a certainty of perceiving the real universe with all perceptions.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Thank you for quoting this nice theory of Hubbard's. I always liked that one, too.

 

[programmer_guy]

Thank you for quoting this nice theory of Hubbard's. I always liked that one, too.

It's not a "theory" according to Hubbard.
They actually did the "3 feet behind the head" stuff.
Whether this pans out as a provable actual fact is another item altogether.

 

[Pepin]

From "Scientology 8-8008"
STEP I -- POSITIVE EXTERIORIZING: Ask the preclear to be a foot back of his head.
Standard Operating Procedure, Issue 3

Actually, It's NOT three!

On the other hand, the title of this thread is YOUR VIEWS. Not the regurgitation of Hubbard who you don't believe anyway.

 

[Veda]

Crowley's most concise explanation of Yoga: "Sit still. Stop thinking. Shut up. Get out!"

'Batra', etc., was published in Crowley's "The Equinox' in 1913. http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=470269&postcount=4

Quoting from John Symonds and Kenneth Grant, who were "editors" of some of Crowley's writings:

"It ('Batra', etc.) deals with the magical practice of expanding consciousness to the stars and the planets. The word 'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' is made up of the Greek words for Frog Mind Ox World Battle, and is a play on the title of the Homeric mock epic, the 'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' or 'Battle of the Frogs and Mice'. The idea behind the use of this barbarous name, 'Batra', etc. - that is, in pronunciation or vibration - is that it is supposed to create a sense of vertigo in which the mind is freed from its ordinary bounds. Consciousness - so the theory goes - is exalted to infinity by this method."

The "sense of vertigo" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vertigo can also make the person vulnerable to manipulation, and more easily influenced and controllable.

Was Hubbard inducing a sense of "vertigo" with the "Be three feet back of your head" command?

Interesting isn't it?

Crowley and his "Magick" are complex subjects, however.

Crowley, although a brilliant man, spent his life (emotionally) getting back at his Fundamentalist Christian mother, whom he hated; and Hubbard was obsessed with "smashing his name into history."

These unfortunate neuroses produced an otherwise unnecessary "dark side" - and a realistic study of both, IMO, requires a recognition of that "dark side."

 

[degraded being]

Crowley's most concise explanation of Yoga: "Sit still. Stop thinking. Shut up. Get out!"

'Batra', etc., was published in Crowley's "The Equinox' in 1913. http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=470269&postcount=4

Quoting from John Symonds and Kenneth Grant, who were "editors" of some of Crowley's writings:

"It ('Batra', etc.) deals with the magical practice of expanding consciousness to the stars and the planets. The word 'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' is made up of the Greek words for Frog Mind Ox World Battle, and is a play on the title of the Homeric mock epic, the 'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' or 'Battle of the Frogs and Mice'. The idea behind the use of this barbarous name, 'Batra', etc. - that is, in pronunciation or vibration - is that it is supposed to create a sense of vertigo in which the mind is freed from its ordinary bounds. Consciousness - so the theory goes - is exalted to infinity by this method."

The "sense of vertigo" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vertigo can also make the person vulnerable to manipulation, and more easily influenced and controllable.

Was Hubbard inducing a sense of "vertigo" with the "Be three feet back of your head" command?

Interesting isn't it?

Crowley and his "Magick" are complex subjects, however.

Crowley, although a brilliant man, spent his life (emotionally) getting back at his Fundamentalist Christian mother, whom he hated; and Hubbard was obsessed with "smashing his name into history."

These unfortunate neuroses produced an otherwise unnecessary "dark side" - and a realistic study of both, IMO, requires a recognition of that "dark side."

Parallel technique: *get them confused and give them a stable datum*, manifested as, *find their ruin*, and the ongoing *what is your next step?*

Exteriorization. The controller goes beyond body control or behaviour control, to total control, where a person is made to believe that the *being*, *entity*, *identity*, or *function* that oversees all other functions can be separated and controlled.
Whatever is experienced is given the cult masters interpretation, and that will set down a "program" which is a superior form of control than simple behaviour control. The cult master "demonstates" that his snake oil rally does something interesting/amazing. You can get control of this part of yourself which oversees all your other functions. Just sign up for your next step.