On Questions, Doubts, Disagreements & Alternatives Re Scn

RogerB

Crusader
On Questions, Doubts, Disagreements & Alternatives Re Scn

I could have just as easily put this post under the "Leaving Scientology" category . . . but I came to thinking some folks would want to evaluate the scenario as a precursor to "leaving." :)

Standard Tech says that when any of the above arise, one should carry out the Doubt Formula.

And for anyone having any doubts, questions, arguments, disagreements the Doubt Formula is a good thing to do as its first step is to honestly inform oneself . . . and if you’re still officially in the CofS, you can’t, or at least shouldn’t, be hit for carrying out standard tech :biggrin:

ESMB is a wonderful place to use as part of that vital step of “honestly informing oneself!”

If you’re still in the CofS and are having questions or concerns about what you’re seeing, experiencing or are otherwise upset or doubtful about it, ESMB is the place to get a balanced and honest report on the facts you cannot get on CofS lines. In the CofS you can only get the official line of info, and are constrained to not seek comparable other information (it’s a violation of LRH’s Logics to be denied comparables, you know :unsure:)

So, who has placed factual information on ESMB for you to honestly inform yourself with? Class 12 Auditors, Highly Classed and Interned Auditors and C/Ss, former Advanced Course Supervisors, original SO members who took the original ships to sea with LRH for the SO, a former ED International, a former Senior C/S International, Former Watchdog Committee types, folks who were with LRH from his earliest days in Phoenix, old-timers who have lived the tech from the early 1950’s, OT8’s, and many who’d spent decades on New OT7, and many inveterate researchers. You name it . . . the true history of $cn is here.

One of the traps of $cn is that what you need to know in order to come to a sane and sensible understanding of the scene is withheld from you.

As an example: all the upper levels are held secret so you have to go the route to then learn that in fact they are an outrageous con-job. And then it’s too late . . . you’re out a lot of $$$$’s, time and in actuality, too often have suffered measurable damage . . . not only to your daily life but often to your physical and spiritual health as well. You’ll be able to read the truth on this point here on ESMB.

Links:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?16109-How-Dangerous-is-New-OTVII-(Solo-NOTs)/page3 I chime in on Page 3
The secret agenda of LRH to enslave folks to be money producing machines for him:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-Scientology&p=477347&highlight=enemy+tactics

There are many references to “Disconnection” here on ESMB . . . had you ever wondered that if the auditing tech truly, fully worked, there would be no reason to need or insist on disconnection: you’d be above being affected by the beliefs or positions of others.

You’ll be able to learn the secrets of LRH’s original fraudulent intentions for his subject and new Religion.” These secrets revealed in his own words as hidden from you on official lines.

Links:
Former ED Int, Bill Franks on Blow-Offs
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...(thread-merge)&p=543491&viewfull=1#post543491
Seek out posts and threads by “Veda” who reveals and encyclopedic mind and recall of LRH’s own hidden agenda.

You’ll be able to read of LRH’s other lies, deceits, plagiarisms and theft of materials that he then presented solely as his own. It isn’t true that he “rose above the bank” . . . he stole from others (study tech was stolen from an SHSBC attendee in ’64); and the actuality is that LRH lived his life as a secret drug addict and very heavy drinker, with his last days in hiding as a result of his many and continued crimes against society.

Link:
Alan Walter relates the LRH psychosis on the Cl 8 Course aboard the Apollo.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-full-perception&p=12239&viewfull=1#post12239
One of LRH’s close seniors aboard the Apollo “A Face in the Crowd” speaks on LRH motives:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557834&postcount=232
Here is perhaps the most definitive and revealing discourse on LRH’s falsities and deceitful history:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...RA-S-BOX-Part-One&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
Search through posts by “Alan” and “DartSmohen” these two old-timers will give you tremendously valuable material.

Learn how LRH acted to sabotage his best people: one who was his highest producing Mission Holder (LRH orchestrated a false report to the IRS as part of an effort to seize control of the wealth of that Mission Holder) Learn how LRH sabotaged his own “Representative to the UN,” the world’s “First Real Clear,” John MacMaster.

Example links:
Read how his most valuable people were sabotaged . . .
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...s-partial-story!)&highlight=Opening+Pandora's

You’ll be able to research various editions of LRH books and writings and see how he deceitfully distorted or altered what he wrote over time to ensnare the believers. Did you know that in an early edition of 8-8008, LRH wrote that he had abandoned Dianetics as not really all that workable, and that it was only used by psychologists:

LRH wrote:
"Today, when you see Dianetics being advertised and used, you are looking at the formal practice of psychiatry and medicine, and indeed some of those organizations which are still carrying forward under the name of Dianetics or other similar terms are official members, for the most part, of the same organizations that espouse electric shock and pre-frontal lobotomy. . . . Dianetics, the subject was dropped as a psycho-therapy by my organizations."
:omg:
Did you know that after Dianetics (as a book and copyrighted name) came back into his possession that he then blamed all field auditors for “dropping out the tech” when he released Standard Dianetics in 1969?

Links:
See post #77 on this page for the Dianetics betrayal:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?2678-Comparison-of-Book-Editions/page8

One of the greatest traps holding people in the Cof$ is that they have accepted the datum/belief that the CofS has “the only route to total freedom and OT” . . . . yet you are constrained from verifying this proposition for fear of losing “your Bridge”.

As I said, you shouldn’t be hit for applying Standard Tech and doing an honest Doubt Formula :duh:

On ESMB you’ll be able to get the information you need in order the answer the above question . . . . and it is a question in two parts:

  1. Is it the route to total freedom and OT? Many who’ve completed the route say here is it NOT . . . and many will also be able to show you how actually dangerous a journey it is. On ESMB you’ll be able to learn of the serous and dangerous errors and omissions in Scn . . . all the result of sloppy and actually fraudulent “research.”
  2. Are there alternatives you can use to attain the ideal Scn promises and you feel are truly possible? Yes, you’ll learn of the alternatives here.

Links:
Here you can read a dialogue between “DullOldFart” and others on Out-Int where we reveal the gross error of the “Out-Int tech” and what a more correct and workable handling is 
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?19156-Out-Int-%97-Fact-or-Fiction
One of our most well versed researchers, “Veda” discusses David Mayo on CLEAR
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-auditing-take&p=607152&viewfull=1#post607152
Here are some words about errors in LRH tech and corrections thereto:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20627-Corrections-and-Advances-in-More-Workable-Tech
This is a tech write-up/presentation concerning the tech error of 1962 and how it led us into fantasy-land.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...gative-RogerB%92s-FZ-Presentation-in-Pasadena
Here’s a more accurate and workable tech on what we need to handle on our cases:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...C.-Walter-In-View&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
Here is a source of processes you can use . . . good stuff too:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25153-PaulsRobot-Free-Access
Here is a list of very advanced and improved processes you can use to prove there is better tech outside of the CofS
http://www.lightlink.com/archive/acw/

The tragedy is that Scn has descended into an abusive enterprise. It’s early actions, both on The Bridge and in its history, are benign and were helpful to folks. Today it is abusive of its members by use of high-pressure tactics, overwhelm and suppression of free will.

If you are one of the folks who have felt the abuse and wondered “what’s it all mean?” doing a Doubt Formula with the materials here on ESMB, as indicated above, will free you from the doubts and hopefully, the abuse.

There is a lot to digest here :coolwink:

PS: you ESMB folks will have your own favorite links, threads for helping folks currently “in” to do an honest Doubt Formula” . . . please add them . . . I’m out of time :eyeroll:

RogerB
 
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WildKat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Roger,

Awesome compilation! Lot of work represented there. Hope it gets to the people who really need it.
 

Rene Descartes

Gold Meritorious Patron
On Questions, Doubts, Disagreements & Alternatives Re Scn

You’ll be able to read of LRH’s other lies, deceits, plagiarisms and theft of materials that he then presented solely as his own. It isn’t true that he “rose above the bank” . . . he stole from others (study tech was stolen from an SHSBC attendee in ’64); and the actuality is that LRH lived his life as a secret drug addict and very heavy drinker, with his last days in hiding as a result of his many and continued crimes against society

He didn't rise above the bank? Well can we at least say he wore the boots in the sky? That he pulled himself up by the boot straps? That he came to the fork in the road and took it? That he had certainty on whatever it was that he knew, regardless of whether he know it or not? That he took the plunge? That he discovered the trap that has been kept hidden from view for 75,000,000 years?

BTW I DON'T MEAN TO SHOUT BUT...

EXCELLENT POST!!!!

Rd00
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
On Questions, Doubts, Disagreements & Alternatives Re Scn

I could have just as easily put this post under the "Leaving Scientology" category . . . but I came to thinking some folks would want to evaluate the scenario as a precursor to "leaving." :)

Standard Tech says that when any of the above arise, one should carry out the Doubt Formula.

And for anyone having any doubts, questions, arguments, disagreements the Doubt Formula is a good thing to do as its first step is to honestly inform oneself . . . and if you’re still officially in the CofS, you can’t, or at least shouldn’t, be hit for carrying out standard tech :biggrin:

ESMB is a wonderful place to use as part of that vital step of “honestly informing oneself!”

If you’re still in the CofS and are having questions or concerns about what you’re seeing, experiencing or are otherwise upset or doubtful about it, ESMB is the place to get a balanced and honest report on the facts you cannot get on CofS lines. In the CofS you can only get the official line of info, and are constrained to not seek comparable other information (it’s a violation of LRH’s Logics to be denied comparables, you know :unsure:)

So, who has placed factual information on ESMB for you to honestly inform yourself with? Class 12 Auditors, Highly Classed and Interned Auditors and C/Ss, former Advanced Course Supervisors, original SO members who took the original ships to sea with LRH for the SO, a former ED International, a former Senior C/S International, Former Watchdog Committee types, folks who were with LRH from his earliest days in Phoenix, old-timers who have lived the tech from the early 1950’s, OT8’s, and many who’d spent decades on New OT7, and many inveterate researchers. You name it . . . the true history of $cn is here.

One of the traps of $cn is that what you need to know in order to come to a sane and sensible understanding of the scene is withheld from you.

As an example: all the upper levels are held secret so you have to go the route to then learn that in fact they are an outrageous con-job. And then it’s too late . . . you’re out a lot of $$$$’s, time and in actuality, too often have suffered measurable damage . . . not only to your daily life but often to your physical and spiritual health as well. You’ll be able to read the truth on this point here on ESMB.

Links:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?16109-How-Dangerous-is-New-OTVII-(Solo-NOTs)/page3 I chime in on Page 3
The secret agenda of LRH to enslave folks to be money producing machines for him:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-Scientology&p=477347&highlight=enemy+tactics

There are many references to “Disconnection” here on ESMB . . . had you ever wondered that if the auditing tech truly, fully worked, there would be no reason to need or insist on disconnection: you’d be above being affected by the beliefs or positions of others.

You’ll be able to learn the secrets of LRH’s original fraudulent intentions for his subject and new Religion.” These secrets revealed in his own words as hidden from you on official lines.

Links:
Former ED Int, Bill Franks on Blow-Offs
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...(thread-merge)&p=543491&viewfull=1#post543491
Seek out posts and threads by “Veda” who reveals and encyclopedic mind and recall of LRH’s own hidden agenda.

You’ll be able to read of LRH’s other lies, deceits, plagiarisms and theft of materials that he then presented solely as his own. It isn’t true that he “rose above the bank” . . . he stole from others (study tech was stolen from an SHSBC attendee in ’64); and the actuality is that LRH lived his life as a secret drug addict and very heavy drinker, with his last days in hiding as a result of his many and continued crimes against society.

Link:
Alan Walter relates the LRH psychosis on the Cl 8 Course aboard the Apollo.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-full-perception&p=12239&viewfull=1#post12239
One of LRH’s close seniors aboard the Apollo “A Face in the Crowd” speaks on LRH motives:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557834&postcount=232
Here is perhaps the most definitive and revealing discourse on LRH’s falsities and deceitful history:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...RA-S-BOX-Part-One&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
Search through posts by “Alan” and “DartSmohen” these two old-timers will give you tremendously valuable material.

Learn how LRH acted to sabotage his best people: one who was his highest producing Mission Holder (LRH orchestrated a false report to the IRS as part of an effort to seize control of the wealth of that Mission Holder) Learn how LRH sabotaged his own “Representative to the UN,” the world’s “First Real Clear,” John MacMaster.

Example links:
Read how his most valuable people were sabotaged . . .
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...s-partial-story!)&highlight=Opening+Pandora's

You’ll be able to research various editions of LRH books and writings and see how he deceitfully distorted or altered what he wrote over time to ensnare the believers. Did you know that in an early edition of 8-8008, LRH wrote that he had abandoned Dianetics as not really all that workable, and that it was only used by psychologists:

LRH wrote:

:omg:
Did you know that after Dianetics (as a book and copyrighted name) came back into his possession that he then blamed all field auditors for “dropping out the tech” when he released Standard Dianetics in 1969?

Links:
See post #77 on this page for the Dianetics betrayal:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?2678-Comparison-of-Book-Editions/page8

One of the greatest traps holding people in the Cof$ is that they have accepted the datum/belief that the CofS has “the only route to total freedom and OT” . . . . yet you are constrained from verifying this proposition for fear of losing “your Bridge”.

As I said, you shouldn’t be hit for applying Standard Tech and doing an honest Doubt Formula :duh:

On ESMB you’ll be able to get the information you need in order the answer the above question . . . . and it is a question in two parts:

  1. Is it the route to total freedom and OT? Many who’ve completed the route say here is it NOT . . . and many will also be able to show you how actually dangerous a journey it is. On ESMB you’ll be able to learn of the serous and dangerous errors and omissions in Scn . . . all the result of sloppy and actually fraudulent “research.”
  2. Are there alternatives you can use to attain the ideal Scn promises and you feel are truly possible? Yes, you’ll learn of the alternatives here.

Links:
Here you can read a dialogue between “DullOldFart” and others on Out-Int where we reveal the gross error of the “Out-Int tech” and what a more correct and workable handling is 
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?19156-Out-Int-%97-Fact-or-Fiction
One of our most well versed researchers, “Veda” discusses David Mayo on CLEAR
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-auditing-take&p=607152&viewfull=1#post607152
Here are some words about errors in LRH tech and corrections thereto:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20627-Corrections-and-Advances-in-More-Workable-Tech
This is a tech write-up/presentation concerning the tech error of 1962 and how it led us into fantasy-land.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...gative-RogerB%92s-FZ-Presentation-in-Pasadena
Here’s a more accurate and workable tech on what we need to handle on our cases:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...C.-Walter-In-View&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
Here is a source of processes you can use . . . good stuff too:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25153-PaulsRobot-Free-Access
Here is a list of very advanced and improved processes you can use to prove there is better tech outside of the CofS
http://www.lightlink.com/archive/acw/

The tragedy is that Scn has descended into an abusive enterprise. It’s early actions, both on The Bridge and in its history, are benign and were helpful to folks. Today it is abusive of its members by use of high-pressure tactics, overwhelm and suppression of free will.

If you are one of the folks who have felt the abuse and wondered “what’s it all mean?” doing a Doubt Formula with the materials here on ESMB, as indicated above, will free you from the doubts and hopefully, the abuse.

There is a lot to digest here :coolwink:

PS: you ESMB folks will have your own favorite links, threads for helping folks currently “in” to do an honest Doubt Formula” . . . please add them . . . I’m out of time :eyeroll:

RogerB

LOL!!!

You were doing so well Roger, right up until you shoved all those links for 'your' tek in.

Do give it a break ... people getting out of scientology really don't need your heavily disguised spam to replace it.

Go and recruit elsewhere.​
 

Gadfly

Crusader
LOL!!!

You were doing so well Roger, right up until you shoved all those links for 'your' tek in.

Do give it a break ... people getting out of scientology really don't need your heavily disguised spam to replace it.

Go and recruit elsewhere.​

And, another aspect of this is that MANY DO get out on a gradient, and that gradient almost always involves 1) finding major faults with the Scientology organization (whether DM is viewed as the blame or not), and while 2) maintaining some affinity for and with the "auditing tech".

Really, MANY people DO NEED to entertain the belief that there is value to the "auditing tech", because NO PERSON can just walk out, after spending many years, money and energy, and do a COMPLETE ABOUT-FACE. That is impossible. No person has EVER done that.

We each got into Scientology along a fairly LONG gradient, and it often took YEARS to build up agreement with the many crazy aspects of Hubbard and Scientology. I have never known ANY ex-Scientologist who could "unravel" completely overnight. Anyone who says so is a liar.

So, since in FACT, it is Hubbard's carefully designed Scientology organization, based on "exact admin tech", that actually causes the LARGE MAJORITY of the harm that any person dislikes about Scientology, let them have their little bits of "auditing tech" (at least for now) if it helps them "get out". And, it DOES help them get out.

Once they can comfortably find fault with the organization, something which they were NOT allowed to do while in, then that ability to "criticize Scientology" will probably expand over time to include Hubbard himself and even the "Red volume tech".

Hubbard said somewhere that "study tech" is "our road into society". Well conversely, finding fault with the Scientology organization (while remaining quiet about the possible flaws in the auditing tech) is the road OUT for many or most people. And also, many seething detractors of organized Scientology still use SOME aspect of the "auditing tech". Who cares? Let them.

Take it on the gradient that has PROVEN to work the best. Attacking the insane Scientology organzation and the LRH policies it is built upon is EASY. Hard sell, SP declares, disconnection, no free speech, oppressive control, endless PR, manipulation with ARC, noisy investigations, framing innocent people in crimes they never committed, and on and on. There are so many easy targets of the Church of Scientology ORGANIZATION (Sea Org, OSA, etc).

Hubbard also used a neat gimmick. "Find something you can like about Scientology. Find another." He did that as part of attracting and trapping any person into the cult. So, do it in reverse. Don't go for and demand the WHOLE cognition all at once. Do it little by little. THAT is what "works".

So, instead, ask them, "find something you dislike about Scientology". "Find another". "Find something you disagree with". "Find another". "Reverse tech". :ohmy: :yes: Maybe not in those exact words, but get them to do THAT. Almost anybody who is involved can easily find things they don't like or agree with (but which they currently keep quiet about).

ESMB functions in this way. Ideas appear here that a Scientologist can resonate with or agree with. One by one he or she begins to DISAGREE with points of belief. Little by little he or she ALLOWS him or herself to find fault with various aspects of the subject and practices of Scientology. If that tendency continues, the person will leave sooner or later. Any critical website functions in that way.

Many people LIKED and ENJOYED auditing. Trying to attack along those lines is, well dumb. It is ineffective. Attack what they CAN EASILY agree with first - the many nutty aspects of the organization. And then build on THAT. Then you can get them to start to look at Hubbard's fictional biography (a mass of lies). Then get them to look at what OSA does in the name of "protecting Scientology". And, keep going. :yes:

Gradients got them (us) in and trapped. And, ONLY gradients will get them out and untrapped. That is just the way it is (for most people anyway).

And, as far as I see it, Roger, your "balance" and view is fine with me. :thumbsup:
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
I'm not here to try to convince anyone to leave scientology Gadfly ... they will do that when they are ready to.

Or not.

Neither am I trying to stop anyone from believing whatever they choose to believe outside of the cofs, but I find it nauseating when people come here and push their own tek no matter how cleverly they sneak it in.


From the FAQ's

It is likely that most people are happy where they sit in regards to Scientology. They have their minds made up about it and no amount of discussion will change that. This board is not meant to be a vehicle to plead your case, reconvert the fallen or preach your brand. It is designed to allow people to connect up, gain some understanding of our differences, learn to respect each others opinions and find some peace with it and hopefully within ourselves.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
I'm not here to try to convince anyone to leave scientology Gadfly ... they will do that when they are ready to.

Or not.

Neither am I trying to stop anyone from believing whatever they choose to believe outside of the cofs, but I find it nauseating when people come here and push their own tek no matter how cleverly they sneak it in.


From the FAQ's

It is likely that most people are happy where they sit in regards to Scientology. They have their minds made up about it and no amount of discussion will change that. This board is not meant to be a vehicle to plead your case, reconvert the fallen or preach your brand. It is designed to allow people to connect up, gain some understanding of our differences, learn to respect each others opinions and find some peace with it and hopefully within ourselves.


Good reference from the FAQs. If ESMB was also a cult, that would be scripture humbly tendered as a gift in the FAQtors.

:biggrin:
 
And, another aspect of this is that MANY DO get out on a gradient, and that gradient almost always involves 1) finding major faults with the Scientology organization (whether DM is viewed as the blame or not), and while 2) maintaining some affinity for and with the "auditing tech".

Really, MANY people DO NEED to entertain the belief that there is value to the "auditing tech", because NO PERSON can just walk out, after spending many years, money and energy, and do a COMPLETE ABOUT-FACE. That is impossible. No person has EVER done that.

We each got into Scientology along a fairly LONG gradient, and it often took YEARS to build up agreement with the many crazy aspects of Hubbard and Scientology. I have never known ANY ex-Scientologist who could "unravel" completely overnight. Anyone who says so is a liar.

So, since in FACT, it is Hubbard's carefully designed Scientology organization, based on "exact admin tech", that actually causes the LARGE MAJORITY of the harm that any person dislikes about Scientology, let them have their little bits of "auditing tech" (at least for now) if it helps them "get out". And, it DOES help them get out.

Once they can comfortably find fault with the organization, something which they were NOT allowed to do while in, then that ability to "criticize Scientology" will probably expand over time to include Hubbard himself and even the "Red volume tech".

Hubbard said somewhere that "study tech" is "our road into society". Well conversely, finding fault with the Scientology organization (while remaining quiet about the possible flaws in the auditing tech) is the road OUT for many or most people. And also, many seething detractors of organized Scientology still use SOME aspect of the "auditing tech". Who cares? Let them.

Take it on the gradient that has PROVEN to work the best. Attacking the insane Scientology organzation and the LRH policies it is built upon is EASY. Hard sell, SP declares, disconnection, no free speech, oppressive control, endless PR, manipulation with ARC, noisy investigations, framing innocent people in crimes they never committed, and on and on. There are so many easy targets of the Church of Scientology ORGANIZATION (Sea Org, OSA, etc).

Hubbard also used a neat gimmick. "Find something you can like about Scientology. Find another." He did that as part of attracting and trapping any person into the cult. So, do it in reverse. Don't go for and demand the WHOLE cognition all at once. Do it little by little. THAT is what "works".

So, instead, ask them, "find something you dislike about Scientology". "Find another". "Find something you disagree with". "Find another". "Reverse tech". :ohmy: :yes: Maybe not in those exact words, but get them to do THAT. Almost anybody who is involved can easily find things they don't like or agree with (but which they currently keep quiet about).

ESMB functions in this way. Ideas appear here that a Scientologist can resonate with or agree with. One by one he or she begins to DISAGREE with points of belief. Little by little he or she ALLOWS him or herself to find fault with various aspects of the subject and practices of Scientology. If that tendency continues, the person will leave sooner or later. Any critical website functions in that way.

Many people LIKED and ENJOYED auditing. Trying to attack along those lines is, well dumb. It is ineffective. Attack what they CAN EASILY agree with first - the many nutty aspects of the organization. And then build on THAT. Then you can get them to start to look at Hubbard's fictional biography (a mass of lies). Then get them to look at what OSA does in the name of "protecting Scientology". And, keep going. :yes:

Gradients got them (us) in and trapped. And, ONLY gradients will get them out and untrapped. That is just the way it is (for most people anyway).

And, as far as I see it, Roger, your "balance" and view is fine with me. :thumbsup:

Kudos to both Roger & G: Roger for an excellent op & G for his expression of good sense.


Mark A. Baker
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
Hey lurkers! "Witholds" are renamed "Kepts" here ... wanna join ESMB? Thought not.

Kudos to both Roger & G: Roger for an excellent op & G for his expression of good sense.


Mark A. Baker




Good sense?

Here is a very small part of the OP's linked tekky spam ... posted presumably to make anyone thinking of leaving the cofs feel right at home here.

:whistling:

If I came to an Ex-scio message board and was confronted by this drivel I'd slash my wrists or just stay in the cofs.

:coolwink:


http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20627-Corrections-and-Advances-in-More-Workable-Tech&p=501450&viewfull=1#post501450

Posted by RogerB

Default The Twelve Vital Fundemantals of Processing

Note: "Kepts" are Withholds

THE VITAL FUNDAMENTALS OF PROCESSING


The biggest problem that most processors have with their clients is what to do when. There are specific, fundamental actions that must always be handled. Any time one of these fundamentals is violated, the client will begin to get worse and will not be able to continue processing.

Perfect technology requires perfect truths — that is exact, precise, correct who, what, wheres, whens, whys, and mood. When this is evident in an environment, you get expansion and confidence.

Sloppy or poor implementation of technology means that the practitioner is putting untruths into the client's life, thus causing the client to degrade and the practitioner and client to contract and lose confidence.

The vital end product of processing is TRUTH. TRUTH, when found, permeated and owned is the top of the Green Zone. Thus your client soars to the high Green Zone states. The less truth in the session, the lower the client will be in the zones.

It is very easy to observe out-technology in an area. That area has too many untruths. The public doesn't trust the technology or the technologists and will not buy.



THE TWELVE VITAL FUNDAMENTALS OF PROCESSING


There are twelve vital areas that must at all times be fully cleaned up. If any one of these is left unflat or unhandled, the case will crash. These twelve areas are listed in order of importance and must be handled in their exact order. All processors must know these twelve areas and their causes verbatim, and become expert in handling them to Cause Indicators.

The twelve vital areas are:

1. YOU.

2. NO PROCESSOR

2a. SOMEONE OR SOMETHING CONTINUOUSLY NEGATIVELY PROCESSING CLIENT

3. AN AREA OF FEAR.

4. AN ASCENSION EXPERIENCE.

5. WRONG ANSWERS.

6. PARADIGM CRASHES.

7. CONTINUOUS RECURRING PROBLEMS.

8. KEPTS.

9. HARMFUL ACTS.

10. SOMEONE OR SOMETHING TRIGGERING INCIDENTS OF PAIN AND UNCONSCIOUSNESS.

10a. SOMEONE OR SOMETHING TRIGGERING INCIDENTS OF LOSS.

11. NONCOMPREHENDED TERMS OR ACTIONS.

12. SOMETHING GONE ON TOO LONG.


Any one of these twelve points can go out and ruin the session. Naturally, brand-new clients have almost all areas out, so your first actions on beginning clients are to handle each area in this sequence. At the lower levels, we are interested only in de-access types of processes. The idea is to de-access the client's immediate life and bring them up to the Green Zone. When the client is ready to handle the main line processes, put them on them.

It has taken thirty-five years and hundreds of thousands of hours on tens of thousands of clients to uncover the exact sequence of how we became the way we are. The only way out is with the correct tech aimed at the correct area.

Truth, when found, has very specific phenomena. They are covered in the Cause Indicators bulletin. Out-tech shows up by manifestation of bad or effect indicators.

To be a top, champion, master processor demands the ability to be truth, act truth, and own truth. It takes great bravery and honesty to become a master processor.



THE VITAL FUNDAMENTALS


1. YOU. The reason that this is the most important vital fundamental is that it's the source point of everything in and connected to your life. Should this source point be less than its full capacity, then everything else is less than it can be.

If you cannot fully define something, the You cannot be it, do it, or have it.

Thus, the single most misunderstood term for everybody is the word You. This also makes it the most confused subject because everybody has a different or conflicting erroneous belief system upon this misunderstood term, YOU.

Not knowing the full definition of the word You enters in confusion, stupidity, delusions, weird ideas, hate, mis-emotion, upsets, conflicts, hidden agendas, huge communication difficulties, dishonesty, dishonor, dependency, immobility, restraints of self, success reluctances, fear of failure, embarrassment, short or no attention span, poor or no concentration, poor or no focus, shyness, and a tremendous restriction of drive, action, size of games, levels of achievement, feelings, pleasures, abilities, and accuracy of perception, thus causing many Red Zone and Yellow Zone phenomena.




And, when you put two or more people together who do not comprehend what YOU means, you set up a reinforcement and an empowerment of the above liabilities. Thus you get a multiplicity of these phenomena.

This is the single, most basic, reason education does not work properly throughout the world.

Without full and total comprehension of the word and the subject, YOU, you have a barrier to being able to fully and totally comprehending any other words, subjects, or actions. The ability to see and own the truth will be flawed because you will not be able to observe the true who, what, where, or when, or be able to experience the higher moods. Your perceptions and permeation will be limited to the lower Yellow and Red Zone areas.

When the YOU is not fully comprehended, it is very easy to make it not important, thus putting the You under outside control and making your own and others' identities more important than YOU.



MANIFESTATIONS OF NON-COMPREHENDED,
OR FALSELY-COMPREHENDED YOU:

UNCERTAINTY OF SELF

LOW SELF-ESTEEM

LOW SELF-RESPECT

INDECISIVE

RELUCTANCE TO TAKE A POSITION

RELUCTANCE TO BE RESPONSIBLE

RELUCTANCE TO CREATE

RELUCTANCE TO OWN

RELUCTANCE TO BE

RELUCTANCE TO ACT

RELUCTANCE TO BE KNOWN

RELUCTANCE TO PROMOTE

RELUCTANCE TO CONCENTRATE

RELUCTANCE TO COMMIT

RELUCTANCE TO LEAD

PROCRASTINATION

CONTINUOUS WAFFLING

CAN'T MAKE UP ONE'S MIND

NO FOCUS

NO PERSONALITY

A NON-ENTITY

NO DYNAMISM

OUT OF COMMUNICATION

VERY POOR LISTENING SKILLS

VERY POOR DATA ASSIMILATION

VERY POOR DATA RETENTION

VERY POOR READING HABITS

VERY POOR PEOPLE-HANDLING SKILLS

VERY POOR RELATIONSHIPS

EXTREMELY ARGUMENTATIVE

VERY POSSESSIVE


BODY LANGUAGE MANIFESTATIONS:

GRIM FEATURES

SAD LOOK

NO FUN — HAS BEATEN LOOK

NO PLEASURE — MOVES AND ACTS LIKE LIFE IS AN ORDEAL

WALKS AND ACTS SLOW

BLANK LOOK IN EYES

VERY LITTLE LAUGHTER

VERY SERIOUS OUTLOOK

LIFELESS

PONDEROUS ACTIONS

GRUNTS, GROANS, AND SIGHS WHEN DOING SOMETHING WHEN ANYONE IS WATCHING (as if to say, "See what a martyr I am; what a noble beast of burden. Oh, my!)


2. NO PROCESSOR: This is second in order of importance because your client can lose all gains. Further the loss of the processor can stop all future gains.

The loss of a processor can collapse the client’s universe, and down through time most major life losses can be traced to the loss of a processor.


MANIFESTATIONS OF NO PROCESSOR

CHRONIC ATTRACTION TO WRONG PEOPLE

CONTINUOUS RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS

COLLAPSED UNIVERSES

CAN’T HAVE POWER

AFRAID OF OWN POWER

REJECTION OF POWER

LONELINESS

FEELING STOPPED

FEELING CHARGED

FEELING DESPERATE

APATHETIC

PROCRASTINATION

UNWILLING TO TAKE NEXT STEP

LACK OF REACH

MISALIGNMENT WITH LIFE

NO ONE TO SHARE WINS WITH

BORED

ANGRY

FUTURE APPEARS UNINTERESTING




2a. SOMEONE OR SOMETHING CONTINUOUSLY NEGATIVELY PROCESSING CLIENT. Your client can lose most if not all of their gains or the client's new abilities and case gain can be severely negated by someone or something actively putting the client down.

The major process that the negative processor is running on the client is wrong answers, wrong perceptions, wrong whos, whats, wheres, moods, and hows. Untruths are the weapons of the negative processor.



MANIFESTATIONS OF NEGATIVE PROCESSING:

LOSS OF GAINS.

CLIENT EXPERIENCING UPS AND DOWNS.

CLIENT HAS CONSTANT RECURRING PROBLEMS.

CLIENT CONSTANTLY CREATING FUTURE PROBLEMS AND BAD
CONDITIONS.

CLIENT NOT WINNING IN LIFE.

CLIENT NOT WINNING IN SESSION.

CLIENT IMMOBILIZED.

CLIENT OVERWHELMED.

LOSS OF DREAMS.

LOSS OF GAMES.

LOSS OF ASPIRATIONS.

LOSS OF LIVELINESS.



3. AN AREA OF FEAR. The reason this is the next most important vital fundamental is that when the client has an area of fear, they will not want to be there. If you process over an area of fear, the client will not be able to maintain their gains. There can be trillions of areas of fear, so which area is the most important?

A. Fear of being (yourself) self.

B. Anything to do with the session:

The processor

The room

Things in the room

The Attention Bit Locator

Being asked questions

Being acknowledged

Talking to someone

The chair

The table

The process

The terms

Making an appointment

Being on time

C. The next area of fear could then be the subject of Knowledgism:

The staff

The executives

The books

Alan C. Walter

Seminars

Workshops

Life Planning

Time

D. The next area of fear would be similar practices:

Therapists

Doctors

Patients

Technologies

Staff

Executives

Leaders

Terms

Procedures

Incidents

Negative processes

Ascension states

E. The next area would be present-time connections:

Wife

Husband

Children

Girl friend

Boy friend

Boss

Work mate

Teammates

Games

Rules

Players

Opponents

Job-related fears

Closing

Public speaking

Asking for money

Success

Wealth

Any area of fear represents an area of withdrawal and will ruin the client's life. A client without any areas of fear is a client who is free and who can be incredibly effective.

As you handle a client's areas of fear, you will also handle many of the other vital fundamentals.


MANIFESTATIONS OF FEAR:

LATENESS

INABILITY TO HANDLE TIME

INABILITY TO HANDLE SPACE

INABILITY TO HANDLE ENERGY

INABILITY TO HANDLE FORCE

INABILITY TO HANDLE OBJECTS

INABILITY TO HANDLE PEOPLE

INABILITY TO HANDLE MONEY

INABILITY TO BE FULLY IN SESSION

PUTS OFF SESSIONS

RELUCTANCE TO COMMUNICATE

RELUCTANCE TO TRUST PROCESSOR

RELUCTANCE TO TRUST LIFE-PLANNER

RELUCTANCE TO WORK

RELUCTANCE TO PRODUCE

RELUCTANCE TO BE KNOWN

RELUCTANCE TO SUCCEED

RELUCTANCE TO TRAIN FULLY

RELUCTANCE TO KNOW FULLY

RELUCTANCE TO BECOME A MASTER

RELUCTANCE TO TRUST SELF


4. AN ASCENSION EXPERIENCE. The reason this is the next most important area is that it is also a prime area of fear. When the client experiences a very high surge of awareness, they sometimes experience too many areas that need repair and handling. This is too much truth too suddenly and causes great fear within the client. The client doesn't have the skills and vocabulary to express or handle what has come to view. This causes them to unknowingly pull in old solutions to handle the problems. These old solutions are the reason the client lost their awareness and ability in the first place.

There are two major products of handling past ascension experiences: One, by rehabilitating the ascension experience and allowing the client to permeate and own it, you add tremendous certainty and stability to the basic truth of who and what the client really is.

The second major product is you help the client uncover involuntary replications that are ruining their present existence.


MANIFESTATIONS OF ASCENSION EXPERIENCE:

SUPER-HIGH MOOD LEVELS, THEN DREADFUL LOWER MOOD
LEVELS.

EXPERIENCING HUGENESS OF SELF SPIRITUALLY.

VERY HIGH PERCEPTION.

INABILITY TO MAKE THINGS GO RIGHT.

UNSOLVABLE PROBLEMS.

SOME AREA OF LIFE IN HIGH GREEN ZONE.

SOME AREA OF LIFE IN LOW RED ZONE.

SUDDEN BURSTS OF AWARENESS.

ENERGY LEVEL GREATLY EXCEEDING KNOWLEDGE.

DEPRESSION.

LOSS OF GAMES.

END OF GAMES.

DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH SELF.

KNOWLEDGE FANATIC.

SUDDEN INCREASE IN ABILITIES.


5. WRONG ANSWERS. The reason this is the fifth most important area is that the client is running their life with these wrong answers. If you don't locate them and get the client to get the true answers, their life will not change and they'll continue to operate in a low zone or level of existence.

Wrong answers lead to more questions, which lead to more wrong answers, then more questions. When this happens, the client becomes very introspective and very mis-emotional.

Introspection is a sure sign of too many wrong answers.

Chronic mis-emotion is another sure sign of too many wrong answers.

The client who is constantly self-processing is a client with too many wrong answers.

Wrong answers can cause a client to refuse processing, especially if the session has caused him to be given more wrong answers.

Wrong answers process the client down-scale.



MANIFESTATIONS OF WRONG ANSWERS:

UPSET — MIS-EMOTIONAL.

DOESN'T WANT PROCESSING.

TIRED.

CAN'T MAKE LIFE WORK.

INTROSPECTED.

NO INTEREST IN LIFE — FEELS TRAPPED.

CHRONICALLY WANTS TO BE ELSEWHERE.

UNCERTAIN.

UNCONFIDENT.

CAN'T GET IN SESSION EVEN DURING SESSION.

PEOPLE PROBLEMS.

WRONG PLACE, WRONG TIME.

WRONG WHOS.

WRONG WHATS.

WRONG GAMES.

IN A DAZE.

SESSION NOT GOING RIGHT.

CHRONIC LOW MOOD LEVEL.

ANSWERS DON'T FIT PROCESSING QUESTIONS.

WILL NOT TAKE CHARGE OF LIFE.

WILL NOT LEAD.

WILL NOT WEAR HAT.

WILL NOT STUDY.


6. PARADIGM CRASHES. This is the sixth most important area. The client is running his life in a negative manner because of past paradigm crashes and perceives only negatively, thus negatively process the environment and those around him. Paradigm crashes cause upsets. When a client is upset, his life gets worse.

Unhandled upsets can wreck the lives of the client and his friends. This level of client cannot be friendly, thus makes life very hard for himself.

Freedom from upsets and paradigm crashes allows the client to operate continuously in the Green Zone.



MANIFESTATIONS OF PARADIGM CRASH:

NO INTEREST IN LIFE OR SESSION.

UNFRIENDLY.

SAD.

LIFE NOT WORKING.

FACIAL CHARACTERISTICS GRIM OR GLUM.

LITTLE OR NO LAUGHTER.

STRESSED OUT.

FEELS OLD.

POOR COMMUNICATION SKILLS.

CUTS COMMUNICATION.

DEGRADED GAMES.

REFUSES TO GET IN COMMUNICATION.

REFUSES TO GET INVOLVED.

REFUSES TO WIN.

CAN'T WIN.

LOOKS ONLY AT NEGATIVITY.


7. CONTINUOUS RECURRING PROBLEMS. The reason this is the seventh most important area is because continuous recurring problems tie up all the client's attention and life-force particles in trying to solve the problem. Failure to handle continuous recurring problems causes the client to experience no case-improvement.



MANIFESTATIONS OF CONTINUOUS RECURRING PROBLEMS:

CONTINUOUSLY BRINGING UP SAME SUBJECT OR PERSON.

DOESN'T FEEL GOOD AT END OF SESSION.

NO GAIN

LIFE IS A PROBLEM

SESSIONS ARE PROBLEMS

YOU ARE A PROBLEM

FACIAL EXPRESSIONS GRIM.

LITTLE LAUGHTER.

FEELS HOPELESS.

VICTIMISH.

NEGATIVE TOWARD LIFE.

NO WINS.

NO COGNITIONS.

NO CAUSE INDICATORS.

EVERYTHING IS A PROBLEM.



8. KEPTS. The reason this is eighth in importance is that the above six often have at their source a kept or many kepts.

Kepts contain a great deal of fear, shame, embarrassment, remorse, and guilt. This forces the client into disguising themselves and denying their You-ness.

A client with known kepts cannot attain the higher states because higher states require a fuller You.

The client will refuse processing because of KEPTS. Fear of being found out is a major reason for most people's refusal of processing.

The client with kepts gets very critical of those around them because they can't trust anyone enough to tell their kepts. That the client blames everyone for their fixed condition is an immediate giveaway that the client has kepts.


MANIFESTATIONS OF KEPTS:

EXTREMELY CRITICAL.

CONSTANTLY UPSET.

GETS UPSET EASILY.

TIRED.

YAWNS.

CANNOT LOOK YOU IN THE EYES.

SEES ONLY NEGATIVITY.

LOOKS FOR WHAT'S WRONG IN OTHERS.

RUNS SHALLOWLY.

WON'T GO INTO SESSION EASILY.

ATTENTION BIT LOCATOR MANIFESTATIONS TIGHT.

DOESN'T WANT TO KNOW.

STUDY DIFFICULTIES.

BREAKS COMMUNICATION.

IS BAD-TEMPERED



9. HARMFUL ACTS. The reason harmful acts are ninth in importance is that they block perception, knowledge, permeation, ownership, and cause. Unhandled harmful acts keep the client from rising up the zones.

The most important harmful acts to handle are those that recur continuously because they cause the client to pull in punishment and penalties and create a continuous dangerous environment and climate of neurotic, self-created fear.

Fear of being punished or ridiculed for having committed a harmful act is a major reason behind fear of being fully themselves; they are in hiding and in disguise.


MANIFESTATIONS OF HARMFUL ACTS:

CONTINUOUSLY COMPLAINING ABOUT SOMEONE OR SOMETHING.

AT EFFECT.

POVERTY.

VICTIM.

ACCIDENT PRONE.

VERY RED ZONE.

UNHAPPY.

DESTRUCTIVE GAMES.

PENALTY AND PUNISHMENT PRONE.

UNLUCKY.

UN-CAUSING.

AFRAID TO REACH OUT.

HEAVY DENIAL.



10. SOMEONE OR SOMETHING TRIGGERING INCIDENTS OF PAIN AND UNCONSCIOUSNESS. The reason this is tenth in order of importance is that a client can become extremely over-accessed by having past incidents accessed. Too many untruths are being put into the client's environment, mind, and spiritual space.

Past incidents have the power to control the client; to make them do things they don't want to do. It can be very upsetting for the client to have these past incidents accessed.


MANIFESTATIONS OF TRIGGERED PAST INCIDENTS OF PAIN AND UNCONSCIOUSNESS:

NOT PRESENT.

LOOKS 'OUT OF IT.'

IN A TRANCE.

IN WRONG PLACE AND WRONG TIME.

CAN'T STUDY.

CAN'T TRAIN.

ACCIDENT PRONE.

REOCCURRING INCIDENTS IN LIFE

RED ZONE.


10a. SOMEONE OR SOMETHING TRIGGERING INCIDENTS OF LOSS:
As important as and similar consequences of Triggering Incidents of Pain and Unconsciousness, but has specific liabilities and manifestations in life that stop the client from creating a future.


MANIFESTATIONS OF TRIGGERED PAST INCIDENTS OF LOSS:

EXTREMELY SAD

CHRONICALLY SAD

STUCK IN MOOD OF GRIEF OR BELOW

NOT INTEREST IN CREATING ANYTHING

OUT OF COMMUNICATION

UPSET

DEPRESSED

BAD MEMORY

RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS

FIXED ATTENTION



11. NON-COMPREHENDED TERMS AND ACTIONS. The reason these are eleventh in importance is that when the client has non-comprehended terms and actions, they will not run the processes correctly. Worse, they will add tremendous confusion and potential upsets in the session.

If there are too many non-comprehended terms and actions, the client will not return for processing.

It is vital that the client comprehend what is going on in sessions and what you are doing. If there are too many non-comprehended terms and actions, the client will feel totally overwhelmed, then extremely stupid. They will not make any gains and may well refuse to ever get processing again.


MANIFESTATIONS OF NON-COMPREHENDED TERMS AND ACTIONS:

FEELS STUPID.

BAD INDICATORS.

CAN'T ANSWER PROCESS QUESTIONS.

BLANK LOOK ON FACE.

YAWNING.

PROTESTY.

WANTS TO LEAVE.

DISLIKES YOU.

DISLIKES KNOWLEDGISM

DISLIKES PROCESSING.

FEELS UNCONSCIOUS.

SAD.

UNHAPPY.

GLUM.



12. SOMETHING GONE ON TOO LONG. The reason this is number twelve is that the client has won at something, or ended a game or relationship but has not acknowledged that it has ended, thus overruns. This sets up a feeling of resistance and, ultimately, resentment and finally, protest.

When something goes on too long, the life is withdrawn and there is a feeling of grinding and hopelessness. This shows up on the Attention Bit Locator as the Resistance Value reading stuck above 4.0.

When a process goes past the Cause Indicator point, you have run the process too long. This shows up as no-change, Resistance Value rising above 4.0 and sticking, and the client looking grim.

Sometimes you'll run into an area that has been processed for too long. I once had a client who had been in therapy and been running a rape incident for three years. She had blown the incident in the first session, and the next 1000 hours were a waste of time and money. Worse, it made her believe she couldn't handle her case or vanish anything. This transferred into her life and she felt continuously overwhelmed and unhappy.

She lived her life the way she ran her incidents — everything was an ordeal, nothing was fun, nothing made her better.


MANIFESTATIONS OF SOMETHING GONE ON TOO LONG:

NO INTEREST.

RESISTANT.

SESSION IS AN ORDEAL.

LIFE IS AN ORDEAL.

GRIM.

GRINDING AT EVERYTHING THEY DO.

PROTESTY.

HIGH STUCK RESISTANCE, 4.0 OR ABOVE.

NO GAINS.

NO CAUSE INDICATORS.

NO LIFE.


All processors and clients should be Clean Slated on this bulletin. You can save a client thousands of hours by correct application of the correct handling at the correct time.

Processors must know, verbatim, the Twelve Vital Fundamentals and their manifestations, in their correct order.

Strict adherence to this bulletin will guarantee your clients get massive wins in their sessions and life, and your own certainty, confidence, and competency in handling clients will expand tremendously.





3 August, 1993 ALAN C. WALTER
Revised 4 May 2004

Copyright © 1993, 1995, 2003, 2004
Alan C. Walter
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Life is supposed to be enjoyed, Mate!
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
The simple version that can be applied without any time spent in research is right out of the PDC lectures: Disagree and go free!

But I suppose that wouldn't be a Doubt Formula. It's more like Enemy. Find out who you really are. :coolwink: At that point you also find out who/what Hubbard and Scientology are.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
. . . The tragedy is that Scn has descended into an abusive enterprise. It’s early actions, both on The Bridge and in its history, are benign and were helpful to folks. Today it is abusive of its members by use of high-pressure tactics, overwhelm and suppression of free will . . .

Scientology never descended into an abusive enterprise. It was an abusive enterprise from the start and then, to prevent the enterprise unravelling, became increasingly more abusive. High pressure tactics, overwhelm and suppression of freewill have always been essential to Scientology's primary function. The idea that Scientology was ever benign or helpful seems an example of KSW PR, or wishful thinking.
 
Scientology never descended into an abusive enterprise. It was an abusive enterprise from the start and then, to prevent the enterprise unravelling, became increasingly more abusive. High pressure tactics, overwhelm and suppression of freewill have always been essential to Scientology's primary function. The idea that Scientology was ever benign or helpful seems an example of KSW PR, or wishful thinking.


It's relative spiritual truth, you see....
Let's begin with Ascension. Once you have "A" scension, then the wicked magician from whence the pure "ascension' was wrested by the good angels in [STRIKE]COS[/STRIKE] heaven, becomes the Lord of "D" scension. The good but ignint folks of Earth, need to be not only saved from the Lord of "D" scension, but put on the Path of Truth. Ascended Masters of Con-descension are available for truth seekers. That is the truth and that is all the ignint truth seekers need to know, (apart from the telephone number, I suppose).
(After this post, I may seriously be asked to "Do a TAJ" and apologise for harshness).
 

RogerB

Crusader
It's relative spiritual truth, you see....
Let's begin with Ascension. Once you have "A" scension, then the wicked magician from whence the pure "ascension' was wrested by the good angels in [STRIKE]COS[/STRIKE] heaven, becomes the Lord of "D" scension. The good but ignint folks of Earth, need to be not only saved from the Lord of "D" scension, but put on the Path of Truth. Ascended Masters of Con-descension are available for truth seekers. That is the truth and that is all the ignint truth seekers need to know, (apart from the telephone number, I suppose).
(After this post, I may seriously be asked to "Do a TAJ" and apologise for harshness).

Actually, DB, I think yours above is a very clever and fun send-up of the whole $cn thing . . . and it should be taken in the good humor revelation of truth it seems to have been intended to be :yes:

R
 
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