RogerB
Crusader
On Questions, Doubts, Disagreements & Alternatives Re Scn
I could have just as easily put this post under the "Leaving Scientology" category . . . but I came to thinking some folks would want to evaluate the scenario as a precursor to "leaving."
Standard Tech says that when any of the above arise, one should carry out the Doubt Formula.
And for anyone having any doubts, questions, arguments, disagreements the Doubt Formula is a good thing to do as its first step is to honestly inform oneself . . . and if you’re still officially in the CofS, you can’t, or at least shouldn’t, be hit for carrying out standard tech
ESMB is a wonderful place to use as part of that vital step of “honestly informing oneself!”
If you’re still in the CofS and are having questions or concerns about what you’re seeing, experiencing or are otherwise upset or doubtful about it, ESMB is the place to get a balanced and honest report on the facts you cannot get on CofS lines. In the CofS you can only get the official line of info, and are constrained to not seek comparable other information (it’s a violation of LRH’s Logics to be denied comparables, you know )
So, who has placed factual information on ESMB for you to honestly inform yourself with? Class 12 Auditors, Highly Classed and Interned Auditors and C/Ss, former Advanced Course Supervisors, original SO members who took the original ships to sea with LRH for the SO, a former ED International, a former Senior C/S International, Former Watchdog Committee types, folks who were with LRH from his earliest days in Phoenix, old-timers who have lived the tech from the early 1950’s, OT8’s, and many who’d spent decades on New OT7, and many inveterate researchers. You name it . . . the true history of $cn is here.
One of the traps of $cn is that what you need to know in order to come to a sane and sensible understanding of the scene is withheld from you.
As an example: all the upper levels are held secret so you have to go the route to then learn that in fact they are an outrageous con-job. And then it’s too late . . . you’re out a lot of $$$$’s, time and in actuality, too often have suffered measurable damage . . . not only to your daily life but often to your physical and spiritual health as well. You’ll be able to read the truth on this point here on ESMB.
Links:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?16109-How-Dangerous-is-New-OTVII-(Solo-NOTs)/page3 I chime in on Page 3
The secret agenda of LRH to enslave folks to be money producing machines for him:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-Scientology&p=477347&highlight=enemy+tactics
There are many references to “Disconnection” here on ESMB . . . had you ever wondered that if the auditing tech truly, fully worked, there would be no reason to need or insist on disconnection: you’d be above being affected by the beliefs or positions of others.
You’ll be able to learn the secrets of LRH’s original fraudulent intentions for his subject and new Religion.” These secrets revealed in his own words as hidden from you on official lines.
Links:
Former ED Int, Bill Franks on Blow-Offs
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...(thread-merge)&p=543491&viewfull=1#post543491
Seek out posts and threads by “Veda” who reveals and encyclopedic mind and recall of LRH’s own hidden agenda.
You’ll be able to read of LRH’s other lies, deceits, plagiarisms and theft of materials that he then presented solely as his own. It isn’t true that he “rose above the bank” . . . he stole from others (study tech was stolen from an SHSBC attendee in ’64); and the actuality is that LRH lived his life as a secret drug addict and very heavy drinker, with his last days in hiding as a result of his many and continued crimes against society.
Link:
Alan Walter relates the LRH psychosis on the Cl 8 Course aboard the Apollo.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-full-perception&p=12239&viewfull=1#post12239
One of LRH’s close seniors aboard the Apollo “A Face in the Crowd” speaks on LRH motives:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557834&postcount=232
Here is perhaps the most definitive and revealing discourse on LRH’s falsities and deceitful history:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...RA-S-BOX-Part-One&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
Search through posts by “Alan” and “DartSmohen” these two old-timers will give you tremendously valuable material.
Learn how LRH acted to sabotage his best people: one who was his highest producing Mission Holder (LRH orchestrated a false report to the IRS as part of an effort to seize control of the wealth of that Mission Holder) Learn how LRH sabotaged his own “Representative to the UN,” the world’s “First Real Clear,” John MacMaster.
Example links:
Read how his most valuable people were sabotaged . . .
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...s-partial-story!)&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
You’ll be able to research various editions of LRH books and writings and see how he deceitfully distorted or altered what he wrote over time to ensnare the believers. Did you know that in an early edition of 8-8008, LRH wrote that he had abandoned Dianetics as not really all that workable, and that it was only used by psychologists:
LRH wrote:
Did you know that after Dianetics (as a book and copyrighted name) came back into his possession that he then blamed all field auditors for “dropping out the tech” when he released Standard Dianetics in 1969?
Links:
See post #77 on this page for the Dianetics betrayal:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?2678-Comparison-of-Book-Editions/page8
One of the greatest traps holding people in the Cof$ is that they have accepted the datum/belief that the CofS has “the only route to total freedom and OT” . . . . yet you are constrained from verifying this proposition for fear of losing “your Bridge”.
As I said, you shouldn’t be hit for applying Standard Tech and doing an honest Doubt Formula
On ESMB you’ll be able to get the information you need in order the answer the above question . . . . and it is a question in two parts:
Links:
Here you can read a dialogue between “DullOldFart” and others on Out-Int where we reveal the gross error of the “Out-Int tech” and what a more correct and workable handling is
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?19156-Out-Int-%97-Fact-or-Fiction
One of our most well versed researchers, “Veda” discusses David Mayo on CLEAR
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-auditing-take&p=607152&viewfull=1#post607152
Here are some words about errors in LRH tech and corrections thereto:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20627-Corrections-and-Advances-in-More-Workable-Tech
This is a tech write-up/presentation concerning the tech error of 1962 and how it led us into fantasy-land.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...gative-RogerB%92s-FZ-Presentation-in-Pasadena
Here’s a more accurate and workable tech on what we need to handle on our cases:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...C.-Walter-In-View&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
Here is a source of processes you can use . . . good stuff too:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25153-PaulsRobot-Free-Access
Here is a list of very advanced and improved processes you can use to prove there is better tech outside of the CofS
http://www.lightlink.com/archive/acw/
The tragedy is that Scn has descended into an abusive enterprise. It’s early actions, both on The Bridge and in its history, are benign and were helpful to folks. Today it is abusive of its members by use of high-pressure tactics, overwhelm and suppression of free will.
If you are one of the folks who have felt the abuse and wondered “what’s it all mean?” doing a Doubt Formula with the materials here on ESMB, as indicated above, will free you from the doubts and hopefully, the abuse.
There is a lot to digest here
PS: you ESMB folks will have your own favorite links, threads for helping folks currently “in” to do an honest Doubt Formula” . . . please add them . . . I’m out of time
RogerB
I could have just as easily put this post under the "Leaving Scientology" category . . . but I came to thinking some folks would want to evaluate the scenario as a precursor to "leaving."
Standard Tech says that when any of the above arise, one should carry out the Doubt Formula.
And for anyone having any doubts, questions, arguments, disagreements the Doubt Formula is a good thing to do as its first step is to honestly inform oneself . . . and if you’re still officially in the CofS, you can’t, or at least shouldn’t, be hit for carrying out standard tech
ESMB is a wonderful place to use as part of that vital step of “honestly informing oneself!”
If you’re still in the CofS and are having questions or concerns about what you’re seeing, experiencing or are otherwise upset or doubtful about it, ESMB is the place to get a balanced and honest report on the facts you cannot get on CofS lines. In the CofS you can only get the official line of info, and are constrained to not seek comparable other information (it’s a violation of LRH’s Logics to be denied comparables, you know )
So, who has placed factual information on ESMB for you to honestly inform yourself with? Class 12 Auditors, Highly Classed and Interned Auditors and C/Ss, former Advanced Course Supervisors, original SO members who took the original ships to sea with LRH for the SO, a former ED International, a former Senior C/S International, Former Watchdog Committee types, folks who were with LRH from his earliest days in Phoenix, old-timers who have lived the tech from the early 1950’s, OT8’s, and many who’d spent decades on New OT7, and many inveterate researchers. You name it . . . the true history of $cn is here.
One of the traps of $cn is that what you need to know in order to come to a sane and sensible understanding of the scene is withheld from you.
As an example: all the upper levels are held secret so you have to go the route to then learn that in fact they are an outrageous con-job. And then it’s too late . . . you’re out a lot of $$$$’s, time and in actuality, too often have suffered measurable damage . . . not only to your daily life but often to your physical and spiritual health as well. You’ll be able to read the truth on this point here on ESMB.
Links:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?16109-How-Dangerous-is-New-OTVII-(Solo-NOTs)/page3 I chime in on Page 3
The secret agenda of LRH to enslave folks to be money producing machines for him:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-Scientology&p=477347&highlight=enemy+tactics
There are many references to “Disconnection” here on ESMB . . . had you ever wondered that if the auditing tech truly, fully worked, there would be no reason to need or insist on disconnection: you’d be above being affected by the beliefs or positions of others.
You’ll be able to learn the secrets of LRH’s original fraudulent intentions for his subject and new Religion.” These secrets revealed in his own words as hidden from you on official lines.
Links:
Former ED Int, Bill Franks on Blow-Offs
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...(thread-merge)&p=543491&viewfull=1#post543491
Seek out posts and threads by “Veda” who reveals and encyclopedic mind and recall of LRH’s own hidden agenda.
You’ll be able to read of LRH’s other lies, deceits, plagiarisms and theft of materials that he then presented solely as his own. It isn’t true that he “rose above the bank” . . . he stole from others (study tech was stolen from an SHSBC attendee in ’64); and the actuality is that LRH lived his life as a secret drug addict and very heavy drinker, with his last days in hiding as a result of his many and continued crimes against society.
Link:
Alan Walter relates the LRH psychosis on the Cl 8 Course aboard the Apollo.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-full-perception&p=12239&viewfull=1#post12239
One of LRH’s close seniors aboard the Apollo “A Face in the Crowd” speaks on LRH motives:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557834&postcount=232
Here is perhaps the most definitive and revealing discourse on LRH’s falsities and deceitful history:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...RA-S-BOX-Part-One&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
Search through posts by “Alan” and “DartSmohen” these two old-timers will give you tremendously valuable material.
Learn how LRH acted to sabotage his best people: one who was his highest producing Mission Holder (LRH orchestrated a false report to the IRS as part of an effort to seize control of the wealth of that Mission Holder) Learn how LRH sabotaged his own “Representative to the UN,” the world’s “First Real Clear,” John MacMaster.
Example links:
Read how his most valuable people were sabotaged . . .
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...s-partial-story!)&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
You’ll be able to research various editions of LRH books and writings and see how he deceitfully distorted or altered what he wrote over time to ensnare the believers. Did you know that in an early edition of 8-8008, LRH wrote that he had abandoned Dianetics as not really all that workable, and that it was only used by psychologists:
LRH wrote:
"Today, when you see Dianetics being advertised and used, you are looking at the formal practice of psychiatry and medicine, and indeed some of those organizations which are still carrying forward under the name of Dianetics or other similar terms are official members, for the most part, of the same organizations that espouse electric shock and pre-frontal lobotomy. . . . Dianetics, the subject was dropped as a psycho-therapy by my organizations."
Did you know that after Dianetics (as a book and copyrighted name) came back into his possession that he then blamed all field auditors for “dropping out the tech” when he released Standard Dianetics in 1969?
Links:
See post #77 on this page for the Dianetics betrayal:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?2678-Comparison-of-Book-Editions/page8
One of the greatest traps holding people in the Cof$ is that they have accepted the datum/belief that the CofS has “the only route to total freedom and OT” . . . . yet you are constrained from verifying this proposition for fear of losing “your Bridge”.
As I said, you shouldn’t be hit for applying Standard Tech and doing an honest Doubt Formula
On ESMB you’ll be able to get the information you need in order the answer the above question . . . . and it is a question in two parts:
- Is it the route to total freedom and OT? Many who’ve completed the route say here is it NOT . . . and many will also be able to show you how actually dangerous a journey it is. On ESMB you’ll be able to learn of the serous and dangerous errors and omissions in Scn . . . all the result of sloppy and actually fraudulent “research.”
- Are there alternatives you can use to attain the ideal Scn promises and you feel are truly possible? Yes, you’ll learn of the alternatives here.
Links:
Here you can read a dialogue between “DullOldFart” and others on Out-Int where we reveal the gross error of the “Out-Int tech” and what a more correct and workable handling is
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?19156-Out-Int-%97-Fact-or-Fiction
One of our most well versed researchers, “Veda” discusses David Mayo on CLEAR
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-auditing-take&p=607152&viewfull=1#post607152
Here are some words about errors in LRH tech and corrections thereto:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?20627-Corrections-and-Advances-in-More-Workable-Tech
This is a tech write-up/presentation concerning the tech error of 1962 and how it led us into fantasy-land.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...gative-RogerB%92s-FZ-Presentation-in-Pasadena
Here’s a more accurate and workable tech on what we need to handle on our cases:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...C.-Walter-In-View&highlight=Opening+Pandora's
Here is a source of processes you can use . . . good stuff too:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25153-PaulsRobot-Free-Access
Here is a list of very advanced and improved processes you can use to prove there is better tech outside of the CofS
http://www.lightlink.com/archive/acw/
The tragedy is that Scn has descended into an abusive enterprise. It’s early actions, both on The Bridge and in its history, are benign and were helpful to folks. Today it is abusive of its members by use of high-pressure tactics, overwhelm and suppression of free will.
If you are one of the folks who have felt the abuse and wondered “what’s it all mean?” doing a Doubt Formula with the materials here on ESMB, as indicated above, will free you from the doubts and hopefully, the abuse.
There is a lot to digest here
PS: you ESMB folks will have your own favorite links, threads for helping folks currently “in” to do an honest Doubt Formula” . . . please add them . . . I’m out of time
RogerB
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