OSA Operatives: How-to Guide

[Zephyr]

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Good lord, way to try to create a dangerous environment.

People need to stop acting PTS. Fuck OSA.

Hey John,

I understand that you may have a a different POV than others, and you'll have to pardon me, but I'm becoming confused by some of your posts, like the one above.

You honestly believe Panda is "creating a dangerous environment" by explaining to those interested, who or what the OSA really is and how they operate? I, for one, think one is safer knowing more about the dangers in an environment, hence can avoid them, like OSA.

Panda clearly isn't making the environment dangerous, but points out the dangers OSA creates.

I kinda look at Panda being a Doctor who is qualified to explain the manifestations of a disease that us "ignorants" wouldn't otherwise recognize, hence can either take some actions from being exposed to it and/or take some actions against it.

OSA operates "covertly", so chances are, many may not be aware of their activies. Exposing them allows conscious avoidance in some cases and in others, renders their actions ineffective because their "covert" actions are un-cloaked.

I say Panda is making the environment more safe. Telling me what to fear, specifically, makes me more aware. How can that be a bad thing?

Secondly, being a Potential Trouble Source to OSA, may not necessarily be a bad thing. Imagine the whole lot of EX SCNISTS being potentially trouble for OSA.

Through inculcation, when "IN", I think we were all lead to believe being PTS was a bad thing, because our "gains" would be adversely affected.

Tell me what gains are available by pretending OSA is ineffective, or by agreeing with, being friends to, or an ally to them?

How is it better to "ignore" OSA or adopt the attitude of "fuck them" (as you said) when they are a real danger to some?

I guess you've never been tailed, run off the road, had your home broke into and things stolen, unjustly incarcerated, threatened (list is long) and have nothing to fear.

Rob

 

[Martini]

Hey John,

I understand that you may have a a different POV than others, and you'll have to pardon me, but I'm becoming confused by some of your posts, like the one above.

You honestly believe Panda is "creating a dangerous environment" by explaining to those interested, who or what the OSA really is and how they operate? I, for one, think one is safer knowing more about the dangers in an environment, hence can avoid them, like OSA.

Panda clearly isn't making the environment dangerous, but points out the dangers OSA creates.

I kinda look at Panda being a Doctor who is qualified to explain the manifestations of a disease that us "ignorants" wouldn't otherwise recognize, hence can either take some actions from being exposed to it and/or take some actions against it.

OSA operates "covertly", so chances are, many may not be aware of their activies. Exposing them allows conscious avoidance in some cases and in others, renders their actions ineffective because their "covert" actions are un-cloaked.

I say Panda is making the environment more safe. Telling me what to fear, specifically, makes me more aware. How can that be a bad thing?

Secondly, being a Potential Trouble Source to OSA, may not necessarily be a bad thing. Imagine the whole lot of EX SCNISTS being potentially trouble for OSA.

Through inculcation, when "IN", I think we were all lead to believe being PTS was a bad thing, because our "gains" would be adversely affected.

Tell me what gains are available by pretending OSA is ineffective, or by agreeing with, being friends to, or an ally to them?

How is it better to "ignore" OSA or adopt the attitude of "fuck them" (as you said) when they are a real danger to some?

I guess you've never been tailed, run off the road, had your home broke into and things stolen, unjustly incarcerated, threatened (list is long) and have nothing to fear.

Rob

Thanks Rob. Good post.

I still think some people have gone PTS in a new way since getting out of Scientology. They allow OSA to fuck with them by being withdrawn from communicating with other ex-Scientologists.

OSA is a shell of what it was formerly. So is Scientology. It's got no homes to order re-financed so the Bridge and Super Power and IAS donations get paid for. People are broke. And thus Scientology is whithering. They don't have time for small-fry like us.

Scientology is a wounded animal. It is dying. New sign-ups are down, income is down, people leaving is UP.

Good riddance.

Fuck OSA. Don't allow them to control one's life any longer.

 

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

Hey John,

I understand that you may have a a different POV than others, and you'll have to pardon me, but I'm becoming confused by some of your posts, like the one above.

You honestly believe Panda is "creating a dangerous environment" by explaining to those interested, who or what the OSA really is and how they operate? I, for one, think one is safer knowing more about the dangers in an environment, hence can avoid them, like OSA.

Panda clearly isn't making the environment dangerous, but points out the dangers OSA creates.

I kinda look at Panda being a Doctor who is qualified to explain the manifestations of a disease that us "ignorants" wouldn't otherwise recognize, hence can either take some actions from being exposed to it and/or take some actions against it.

OSA operates "covertly", so chances are, many may not be aware of their activies. Exposing them allows conscious avoidance in some cases and in others, renders their actions ineffective because their "covert" actions are un-cloaked.

I say Panda is making the environment more safe. Telling me what to fear, specifically, makes me more aware. How can that be a bad thing?

Secondly, being a Potential Trouble Source to OSA, may not necessarily be a bad thing. Imagine the whole lot of EX SCNISTS being potentially trouble for OSA.

Through inculcation, when "IN", I think we were all lead to believe being PTS was a bad thing, because our "gains" would be adversely affected.

Tell me what gains are available by pretending OSA is ineffective, or by agreeing with, being friends to, or an ally to them?

How is it better to "ignore" OSA or adopt the attitude of "fuck them" (as you said) when they are a real danger to some?

I guess you've never been tailed, run off the road, had your home broke into and things stolen, unjustly incarcerated, threatened (list is long) and have nothing to fear.

Rob

Martini is putting up a smokescreen. Hasn't OSA transferred some of their personnel to other departments/orgs? Obviously, sensitive information is leaking out and sec checks aren't working. So maybe they're infiltrating themselves to find out where the leaks are, while giving Martini the job of making us continue to resist OSA. If we do this, we're letting OSA suck energy from us. The only power an SP has is what you give it.

Cof$ is like a dying crocodile. Even though its demise is imminent, it can still do a lot of damage thrashing around with its tail (LRH concept). OSA represents that tail. They're just thrashing around now. Not much organization apparent. They're really getting incoherent, imho.

I'd suggest taking ordinary precautions, but keep your TR0-BB flat.

Lynn

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Hey, Lynn, I have mixed feelings about it. I'm all for discussing the doings of OSA and their past and present outrages. I really am. But what I don't like are some of the posts and threads on critical forums where sometimes it seems to turn into finger pointing and guess who's the OSA agent here and accusations and implications. Just the other day someone said I must be bucking for a commendation chit (pretty hard for a declared heretic to obtain, wouldn't you say? I would!) from two known OSA reps...I have a VERY low opinion of comments like that.

But in general, I think the more that's known and discussed about CofS' infamous Dept 20, the better.

 

[Martini]

Martini is putting up a smokescreen. Hasn't OSA transferred some of their personnel to other departments/orgs? Obviously, sensitive information is leaking out and sec checks aren't working. So maybe they're infiltrating themselves to find out where the leaks are, while giving Martini the job of making us continue to resist OSA. If we do this, we're letting OSA suck energy from us. The only power an SP has is what you give it.

Cof$ is like a dying crocodile. Even though its demise is imminent, it can still do a lot of damage thrashing around with its tail (LRH concept). OSA represents that tail. They're just thrashing around now. Not much organization apparent. They're really getting incoherent, imho.

I'd suggest taking ordinary precautions, but keep your TR0-BB flat.

Lynn

Lynn has a very creative imagination. I like her speculations, I really do.

 

[MarkWI]

Lynn has a very creative imagination. I like her speculations, I really do.

It is not just her that sees something with you doesn't fit right. I do too.

Your claimed a high training level, yet it seems to me that you lack the wisdom I would attribute to someone who knows people. So quick to blame the FZ for Mario's death with no data, and still claiming the danger of receiving L's in the FZ when it become clear Mario didn't take those services (that's just an example). You listen and don't look. Feral asked you what is your game here. I ask you the same.

Lynn,

 

[Dulloldfart]

Feral asked you what is your game here. I ask you the same.

You think the answer will be reliable?

I would think the real agenda is to upset people one way or another and make this board an unpleasant place to be, but to also post useful or true bits for disguise along with the payload.

Paul

 

[Zephyr]

Hey John,

I understand that you may have a a different POV than others, and you'll have to pardon me, but I'm becoming confused by some of your posts, like the one above.

You honestly believe Panda is "creating a dangerous environment" by explaining to those interested, who or what the OSA really is and how they operate? I, for one, think one is safer knowing more about the dangers in an environment, hence can avoid them, like OSA.

Panda clearly isn't making the environment dangerous, but points out the dangers OSA creates.

I kinda look at Panda being a Doctor who is qualified to explain the manifestations of a disease that us "ignorants" wouldn't otherwise recognize, hence can either take some actions from being exposed to it and/or take some actions against it.

OSA operates "covertly", so chances are, many may not be aware of their activies. Exposing them allows conscious avoidance in some cases and in others, renders their actions ineffective because their "covert" actions are un-cloaked.

I say Panda is making the environment more safe. Telling me what to fear, specifically, makes me more aware. How can that be a bad thing?

Secondly, being a Potential Trouble Source to OSA, may not necessarily be a bad thing. Imagine the whole lot of EX SCNISTS being potentially trouble for OSA.

Through inculcation, when "IN", I think we were all lead to believe being PTS was a bad thing, because our "gains" would be adversely affected.

Tell me what gains are available by pretending OSA is ineffective, or by agreeing with, being friends to, or an ally to them?

How is it better to "ignore" OSA or adopt the attitude of "fuck them" (as you said) when they are a real danger to some?

I guess you've never been tailed, run off the road, had your home broke into and things stolen, unjustly incarcerated, threatened (list is long) and have nothing to fear.

Rob

Hey, anyone, can you tell me if my questions to John were unclear?


I'd sincerely like some answers, John, if you don't mind, because the ones you gave me didn't come close to satisfying my curiousity.

So, I quoted myself above.


Rob Williamson

 

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

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But in general, I think the more that's known and discussed about CofS' infamous Dept 20, the better.

Oh, I definitely agree on that. Just don't let it freak you out is all I'm saying.

Lynn

 

[Martini]

Hi Rob,

I have been holding back on posting stuff because of fears of OSA. I have decided the hell with it, I'm downloading everything I know. Some may disagree, some may not, but I'm sick of fearing OSA, and come what may, I am ready for them.

Bring it on, OSA. Bring it on.

 

[MarkWI]

Hi Rob,

I have been holding back on posting stuff because of fears of OSA. I have decided the hell with it, I'm downloading everything I know. Some may disagree, some may not, but I'm sick of fearing OSA, and come what may, I am ready for them.

Bring it on, OSA. Bring it on.

Fine with me if you go at war against OSA, but don't make of this board your battle field. Do not post here copyrighted material nor do anything legal/illegal that would endanger the board!

 

[Free to shine]

For a current and ongoing example of fair game, read this thread:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=6942

 

[byte301]

I'm not afraid of OSA for myself. I have family members who I don't want harmed in any way because I was a in a cult and am now a critic. They had nothing to do with my choices.

You may want to think about the loved ones in your life before you an hero yourself, Martini. Just saying.

I don't think you will find revenge all that sweet in the long run. Justice is better imo.

 

[Martini]

I'm not afraid of OSA for myself. I have family members who I don't want harmed in any way because I was a in a cult and am now a critic. They had nothing to do with my choices.

You may want to think about the loved ones in your life before you an hero yourself, Martinini. Just saying.

I don't think you will find revenge all that sweet in the long run. Justice is better imo.

My loved ones will be fine.

 

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

It is not just her that sees something with you doesn't fit right. I do too.

Your claimed a high training level, yet it seems to me that you lack the wisdom I would attribute to someone who knows people. So quick to blame the FZ for Mario's death with no data, and still claiming the danger of receiving L's in the FZ when it become clear Mario didn't take those services (that's just an example). You listen and don't look. Feral asked you what is your game here. I ask you the same.

Lynn,

Lynn

 

[Martini]

It is not just her that sees something with you doesn't fit right. I do too.

Your claimed a high training level, yet it seems to me that you lack the wisdom I would attribute to someone who knows people. So quick to blame the FZ for Mario's death with no data, and still claiming the danger of receiving L's in the FZ when it become clear Mario didn't take those services (that's just an example). You listen and don't look. Feral asked you what is your game here. I ask you the same.

Lynn,

There was a report that Pierre audited Mario in 2006. That report turned out to be false. Yet it was posted as such before Mario's death, so I treated it as a piece of important information that should be used in my speculations regarding his death.

 

[Zephyr]

There was a report that Pierre audited Mario in 2006. That report turned out to be false. Yet it was posted as such before Mario's death, so I treated it as a piece of important information that should be used in my speculations regarding his death.

What are you talking about John?

You need to treat us as more than the mundane idiot and supply specifics. A report in 2006 from who or what?

My report re: who audited Mario on the Ls and when, came from Pierre himself. I happened to have been there, but was auditing in the AO2 at the time.

Your's, to me, seems to me, comes from "channeling" or some unsubstantiated generality, perpetuating a false impression you seem obsessed with creating.

I'm really getting embarrassed for you because you're looking the fool.

Are you smoking pot? That's not a slam. If you are, and I were you, I'd cease getting into any intelligent conversations until you come down.

It's like, don't make any phone calls after you've had a couple drinks sort of advice.

Rob Williamson

 

[Martini]

What are you talking about John?

You need to treat us as more than the mundane idiot and supply specifics. A report in 2006 from who or what?

My report re: who audited Mario on the Ls and when, came from Pierre himself. I happened to have been there, but was auditing in the AO2 at the time.

Your's, to me, seems to me, comes from "channeling" or some unsubstantiated generality, perpetuating a false impression you seem obsessed with creating.

I'm really getting embarrassed for you because you're looking the fool.

Are you smoking pot? That's not a slam. If you are, and I were you, I'd cease getting into any intelligent conversations until you come down.

It's like, don't make any phone calls after you've had a couple drinks sort of advice.

Rob Williamson

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreezoneOrg/message/9509

 

[Zephyr]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreezoneOrg/message/9509[/QUO

I admit, I don't have the highest tech computer but that link doesn't come up, and is not "your" answer.

Answer my questions, if you please, but once again, don't treat me as a fool, John.

I'm respecting you, at best, giving you the benefit of the doubt but you're not reciprocating.

Is this a conversation? Or, should I wait until you come down or to your senses. I have some respect for you, if your quals are correct, but I'm beginning to think I should just abandon any pursuit to understand you, because to me, you're not demonstrating much intelligence and something I get much more of speaking to anyone who has never heard of SCN.

You're embarrassing me, John.

Rob Williamson

 

[Martini]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreezoneOrg/message/9509[/QUO

I admit, I don't have the highest tech computer but that link doesn't come up, and is not "your" answer.

Answer my questions, if you please, but once again, don't treat me as a fool, John.

I'm respecting you, at best, giving you the benefit of the doubt but you're not reciprocating.

Is this a conversation? Or, should I wait until you come down or to your senses. I have some respect for you, if your quals are correct, but I'm beginning to think I should just abandon any pursuit to understand you, because to me, you're not demonstrating much intelligence and something I get much more of speaking to anyone who has never heard of SCN.

You're embarrassing me, John.

Rob Williamson

log in to the yahoo group then try again. works for me.