OSA Operatives: How-to Guide

Sis O' Sign

Patron with Honors
Re: Yeah

Beware of who is courting you - for whatever reason. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is - - -

It's a cog in the wheel that probably is never gonna be gotten out - fully.

It will work itself out into a livable form - eventually. But keep an eye on your back.

Can you guys tell a bit more about how the "buddy system" works? I just got a warning about a sudden new, very good contact...
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
It is a very great post and it happen in this way and that is my or the problem.

An example:
You met a person on a board. Another critic with evil Scientology experiences. That person says it lives in the near, let's do something together. You are very carefull, but it would be great to make something together against Cof$. Telephone numbers gets changed. Some telephone calls happen. You didn't stop to critic Cof$ in the public. That person plans a raid and invites you. But before this all happen the person wants to meet you. You decide to go to a public place with the person...

It could be really a critic, but it could also be OSA... What to do?:confused2: It is so evil to think about this things.:yes:

I've never hesitated to meet another critic. Not even when I was first posting but was still in CofS. If I'm that nervous about it, I can meet 'em in a restaurant, coffee shop or bar where there're lots of other people. And I can decide how personal and in depth I do or don't want the conversation to get. I can keep it superficial, tell all my secrets, only tell one small harmless secret- whatever I want.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
It is all interesting. One of the first levels to be concerned with is idenity. "If" it is known who one is does that cause a risk ( or certainty ) of disconnection?

Or if one is still "in" and suspected - or caught - in anything deemed " Not OK " ( like posting here or talking to a known SP like me ) then the future is full of sec checks and ethics conditions.

Another level is who you know that OSA doesn't like or what you might plan to do or what you might know about being planned that OSA wouldn't like.

For me, I don't ask people personal questions and I do not want people giving me info that could hurt them. Most people leaving the cult are plenty enough paranoid without being terrorized with personal questions.

"If" OSA is running an operation on a particular person it - most often - gets obvious in a hurry.... it is just hard to miss pickets in front of your house or flyers in your neighborhood.......or "info" given out at your work.

One of things I try to live by is " Never arm your enemy " so I try to not give out too much info that can be used to hurt / harm me.

True, OSA today may not have the power or resources to operate as the GO once did, but, they can still be a pain in the fanny.

So, just don't be stupid, let 'em play with those who insist on playing with 'em.

Oh, and as so many others have said, I figure OSA reads this and every other board and like everyone else says, please, pay attention to what you post about yourself if you expect to keep your identity private.
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
One of things I try to live by is " Never arm your enemy " so I try to not give out too much info that can be used to hurt / harm me.

That's very much what I did when I left. I just kept a low profile and left them alone in the hope they would leave me alone but, times have changed and there's too much urine in the sandbox for people to ignore it.
 
It is all interesting. One of the first levels to be concerned with is idenity. "If" it is known who one is does that cause a risk ( or certainty ) of disconnection?

Or if one is still "in" and suspected - or caught - in anything deemed " Not OK " ( like posting here or talking to a known SP like me ) then the future is full of sec checks and ethics conditions.

Another level is who you know that OSA doesn't like or what you might plan to do or what you might know about being planned that OSA wouldn't like.

For me, I don't ask people personal questions and I do not want people giving me info that could hurt them. Most people leaving the cult are plenty enough paranoid without being terrorized with personal questions.

"If" OSA is running an operation on a particular person it - most often - gets obvious in a hurry.... it is just hard to miss pickets in front of your house or flyers in your neighborhood.......or "info" given out at your work.

One of things I try to live by is " Never arm your enemy " so I try to not give out too much info that can be used to hurt / harm me.

True, OSA today may not have the power or resources to operate as the GO once did, but, they can still be a pain in the fanny.


So, just don't be stupid, let 'em play with those who insist on playing with 'em.

Oh, and as so many others have said, I figure OSA reads this and every other board and like everyone else says, please, pay attention to what you post about yourself if you expect to keep your identity private.

Very good advice, Auditors Toad. I don't know when you left but I left about 4 years ago and there wasn't much money thats true but they still managed to find enough for fuel and for private detectives and others to cause trouble to those who left. I have always been very careful about what I post, information, names etc but I am not in doubt that they know who I am and anyway they have caused trouble for me for years so being on this board now is not going to do much more damage I suppose.

but there are new people here and people who read and lurk a lot ( I know that because I did it for a long time ) so for anyone new or thinking of leaving just watch your back, try to move away from the org area if you can and don't do anything illegal even slightly because they will use that too. I don't want to scare new people though, because it is important that you leave scn and have a community to support you and people here will advise if you have any trouble anyway. and as the saying goes, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. or something like that !
 
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as there are a number of interested parties, looking into Scientology at the moment, i.e.. government, journalists, etc,

I'd like to distill some of the GO /OSA tricks, moles,spies -- SOP areas that OSA may spy or attack with.

It would seem to me, having listening devices, cell phone hacks (like News of the World and the other tabloids of Britain) and a spy in the office would be pro forma.

The more dangerous folk like Tony O and the SP Times guys, probably need to be looking closely for set ups, where they are pulled into a blackmail-able sit.

Any thoughts?
 

chuckbeatty

Patron with Honors
Re: OSA Operatives: How-to Guide BUMP +

as there are a number of interested parties, looking into Scientology at the moment, i.e.. government, journalists, etc,

I'd like to distill some of the GO /OSA tricks, moles,spies -- SOP areas that OSA may spy or attack with.

It would seem to me, having listening devices, cell phone hacks (like News of the World and the other tabloids of Britain) and a spy in the office would be pro forma.

The more dangerous folk like Tony O and the SP Times guys, probably need to be looking closely for set ups, where they are pulled into a blackmail-able sit.

Any thoughts?

My guess is that business spies spying on competition, sending in "plants" to work at the competitors, and using Private Eyes to dig up "dirt" with which to silence one's enemies, is pretty typical business that's already existed for a long time.

Old Private Eye shows, even "Peter Gunn", I looked at an episode where the PI hero "Gunn" helps a cult victim, and the cult leader was using another PI to do the cult leader's dirty work.

It's just something that any company, business, govt, movement (cult), has the option to utilize.

Hubbard made it church scriptures.

Really, reading Hubbard's scriptures is enough to sicken one with what Scientology is loaded and ready to do, to follow out what he wrote and ordered, all high minded sounding, but it's vicious bad irreligious stuff.

Here's a load of the sickening Hubbard history of intelligence writings he's stuck the movement with:

Best link to PDF listing of the OSA Docs in the Frank Oliver hat pack:
http://unchain.gr/scientology-frank-oliver-osa.pdf

Ex Guardian’s Office Mike McClaughry interviews by Stacy Young, filmed by Mark Bunker
talk 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eTLdUuxE54
talk 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkjhZifrcfs&feature=related
talk 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV8uEPoaBwM&feature=related
talk 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ySQAdnFII&feature=related
talk 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpccSxB6Dwo&feature=related (watch this one first)
talk 6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFLnc8WouS4&feature=related
talk 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfJ6xwSX_Ww&feature=related
talk 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NSX6VAWb4o&feature=related (NO CHANGE TODAY!)
talk 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3zUTtMvuqY&feature=related


http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/agiadmin/agiadm1.htm
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/ic_conts.htm
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/index.htm

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/osa-int-ed-508r.html
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/scans/GO_intel_actions_1969.pdf
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/scans/
http://www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/OSANWO/



http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/?s=beatty+handling+program
Beatty Handling Program
 
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Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: OSA Operatives: How-to Guide BUMP +

as there are a number of interested parties, looking into Scientology at the moment, i.e.. government, journalists, etc,

I'd like to distill some of the GO /OSA tricks, moles,spies -- SOP areas that OSA may spy or attack with.

It would seem to me, having listening devices, cell phone hacks (like News of the World and the other tabloids of Britain) and a spy in the office would be pro forma.

The more dangerous folk like Tony O and the SP Times guys, probably need to be looking closely for set ups, where they are pulled into a blackmail-able sit.

Any thoughts?

It might seem so...but NO... IMO you are spreading an OSA intentionally propagated shore story. Im an old electronics guy and I can attest that bugging is a pain in the ass. Further, It leaves evidence. in violation of OSA's own directives

My thought is that is evidence that OSA has fooled you about one thing.

See http://www.lermanet.com/idacamburn/ops.htm

Relevant quote: emphasis mine


10. A believable source must be provided in an operation, thereby
"filling the vacuum," so that Scientology isn't dubbed in as source
of the attack. A1 Ops are planned in such a way that they in no way
could be traced back to the Church.

the rest of http://www.lermanet.com/idacamburn/ops.htm deserves close study by every participant on this board.




99% of what folks think is bugging is actually accomplished by doing break ins, or walk ins, or bribing/hiring someone close to the target to do it, or having infiltrators or honey-pot mates for targets - like Paulette Cooper.

Listen to David Mayo explain that Mary Sue bragged to him that scientology was averaging one break-in per day!!

http://www.lermanet.com/mayo1.ra

Somewhere there is a video of a guy walking up to the LMT's back door and trying the door handle. This was caught on LMT surveillance video.

In Bob Minton's persecution timeline LINK he states that his partners offices in London were burglarized, this turned out to be not quite true...

During settlement talked with Mr Rinder, Mike was also coming clean about stuff scientology did to Mr minton, to gain his trust... what ACTUALLY occurred was that OSA (likely Lebow) paid the maitre'd in the hotel that Bob's partner had his office $50,000 to use HIS pass key and then provide 'copies of every piece of paper in his office" - which was compiled into an indexed dossier and sent anonymously to UK Inland Revenue to cause Mr Minton's business partner to get audited...thus bringing HIM to plead with freind, and long time business associate, Mr Minton to leave the battle and to walk away...

ANY TIME I see actions or statements that seem to attack a person's willingness to continue doing something that damages scientology, it is a sage assumption that OSA IS BEHIND IT despite the ringleaders, the cheerleaders self promoted 'credentiials or long history of critic'-ness.

Neither $cientology nor OSA have ANY POWER WHATSOEVER beyond the ability to fool people into believing their LIES.

Arnie Lerma
 
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chuckbeatty

Patron with Honors
Re: OSA Operatives: How-to Guide BUMP +

It might seem so...but NO... IMO you are spreading an OSA intentionally propagated shore story. Im an old electronics guy and I can attest that bugging is a pain in the ass. Further, It leaves evidence. in violation of OSA's own directives

My thought is that is evidence that OSA has fooled you about one thing.

See http://www.lermanet.com/idacamburn/ops.htm

Relevant quote: emphasis mine




the rest of http://www.lermanet.com/idacamburn/ops.htm deserves close study by every participant on this board.




99% of what folks think is bugging is actually accomplished by doing break ins, or walk ins, or bribing/hiring someone close to the target to do it, or having infiltrators or honey-pot mates for targets - like Paulette Cooper.

Listen to David Mayo explain that Mary Sue bragged to him that scientology was averaging one break-in per day!!

http://www.lermanet.com/mayo1.ra

Somewhere there is a video of a guy walking up to the LMT's back door and trying the door handle. This was caught on LMT surveillance video.

In Bob Minton's persecution timeline LINK he states that his partners offices in London were burglarized, this turned out to be not quite true...

During settlement talked with Mr Rinder, Mike was also coming clean about stuff scientology did to Mr minton, to gain his trust... what ACTUALLY occurred was that OSA (likely Lebow) paid the maitre'd in the hotel that Bob's partner had his office $50,000 to use HIS pass key and then provide 'copies of every piece of paper in his office" - which was compiled into an indexed dossier and sent anonymously to UK Inland Revenue to cause Mr Minton's business partner to get audited...thus bringing HIM to plead with freind, and long time business associate, Mr Minton to leave the battle and to walk away...

ANY TIME I see actions or statements that seem to attack a person's willingness to continue doing something that damages scientology, it is a sage assumption that OSA IS BEHIND IT despite the ringleaders, the cheerleaders self promoted 'credentiials or long history of critic'-ness.

Neither $cientology nor OSA have ANY POWER WHATSOEVER beyond the ability to fool people into believing their LIES.

Arnie Lerma


Great comments Arnie!
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
Yes awesome, I especially like this bit as it sort of goes by one of my survival instincts 'expect the best but prepare for the worst'~
AL said:
ANY TIME I see actions or statements that seem to attack a person's willingness to continue doing something that damages scientology, it is a sage assumption that OSA IS BEHIND IT despite the ringleaders, the cheerleaders self promoted 'credentiials or long history of critic'-ness.
:clap::thumbsup:
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Re: OSA Operatives: How-to Guide BUMP +

. . .
ANY TIME I see actions or statements that seem to attack a person's willingness to continue doing something that damages scientology, it is a sage assumption that OSA IS BEHIND IT despite the ringleaders, the cheerleaders self promoted 'credentiials or long history of critic'-ness.

Neither $cientology nor OSA have ANY POWER WHATSOEVER beyond the ability to fool people into believing their LIES.

Arnie Lerma

Nice way to sum it up. I'm not sure its always sage to asume OSA is behind it. There seem to be a lot of genuine people who feel that some critics and Exes need "to get over it and move on". In saying that they seem concerned for what's in the person's best interests. Or could this just be another angle to seek to diminish a person's willingness to continue doing something?
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free
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That's powerful stuff, Arnie, and deserves far wider exposure, like with Tony Ortega and similar. But it needs a translation of the GO cultspeak (things like ODC = overt data collection from public records), which is even more obscure than regular cultspeak.

Paul

I agree. It's really quite sickening to read.... and it does happen.
 

Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: OSA Operatives: How-to Guide BUMP +

Nice way to sum it up. I'm not sure its always sage to asume OSA is behind it. There seem to be a lot of genuine people who feel that some critics and Exes need "to get over it and move on". In saying that they seem concerned for what's in the person's best interests. Or could this just be another angle to seek to diminish a person's willingness to continue doing something?

Ponder upon these for a few moments.

At one time in our past, many of we were wogs, who were fooled by covert psychological manipulations into choosing to become scientologists.

Into unknowingly starting to emulate a paranoid schizophrenic, a madman, named Hubbard.(note)

Just because a person claims they are out of scientology, and now voices criticism of "Ron" this has nothing whatsoever to do with preventing them from being covertly manipulated by devious means into newly believing something else that is patently false...in FACT, until such time as they become familiar with the psychological methods used to manipulate them, those methods will continue to be effective. AND Covert hypnosis works even better upon those who have been hypnotized in the past.

For good people to do evil toward someone they must be tricked into believing that, that someone, deserves it. this is demonization, and scapegoating, both techniques that have been succesfully used upon the public at large to start wars amongst nations since the beginning of time, and still are used, and that technique WORKS, and that technique was being used on trainspotting.

Ex-OSA Frank Oliver explained years ago that OSA always endeavors to "Turn each scratch into a broken arm"

Further... consider the hypocrisy of someone taking time and effort to propagate "get over it" to others to and to 'move on"...which is saying to the person, "stop caring enough about others and give up your desire to prevent what happened to you from happening to another." Why would a person propagate such a stance on a board for ex members of a psychotic cult?

Scientology OSA does not care a whit about statements or stories that scientology does bad things. The conceptual reply is "Christianity had the Inquisition" so we can "Do as thou whilst"

The only thing they care about it whether one refers to it as a Church. Scientology's religious cloaking is its only constructive defense against criminal liability as an outright FRAUD.

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"The only defense against psychological manipulation is to become familiar with the techniques being used upon you.' Paraphrased from George Estabrooks also see Dr Oppenheimer warning on main index page at Lermanet.com

Note: When any decision is made upon lies, there is no longer FREE WILL, there is no longer informed consent.
Decisions based upon LIES are covert manipulations too.. People rarely choose to become scoundrels, often they had no choice, -or- thought that under the 'suitable guise' of presented circumstance were doing the right thing. Dead agenting, and character assasination are the bullets of the information age.

PS: A gradient to 'cause them to walk away', is to make certain topics so unpleasant that folks walk away from discussing that topic.. even if the are not driven away they turn away, and are tricked into choosing not to look that way any more, not to even discuss that topic, by the unpleasantness (demonization by mere association of that topic with the vitriol)

bob-hall.jpg
 
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RogerB

Crusader
Nice, Arnie . . . .

I just posted on your Wall Street Protest thread a video from an ex-Russian KGB man on this theme.

85% of KGB resources were devoted to just the psychological mind bending of populaces and undermining of their true principles as you speak of above.

Hubbard and his minions studied those techniques assiduously.

R
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Re: OSA Operatives: How-to Guide BUMP +

Ponder upon these for a few moments.

At one time in our past, many of we were wogs, who were fooled by covert psychological manipulations into choosing to become scientologists.

Into unknowingly starting to emulate a paranoid schizophrenic, a madman, named Hubbard.(note)

Just because a person claims they are out of scientology, and now voices criticism of "Ron" this has nothing whatsoever to do with preventing them from being covertly manipulated by devious means into newly believing something else that is patently false...in FACT, until such time as they become familiar with the psychological methods used to manipulate them, those methods will continue to be effective. AND Covert hypnosis works even better upon those who have been hypnotized in the past.

For good people to do evil toward someone they must be tricked into believing that, that someone, deserves it. this is demonization, and scapegoating, both techniques that have been succesfully used upon the public at large to start wars amongst nations since the beginning of time, and still are used, and that technique WORKS, and that technique was being used on trainspotting.

Ex-OSA Frank Oliver explained years ago that OSA always endeavors to "Turn each scratch into a broken arm"

Further... consider the hypocrisy of someone taking time and effort to propagate "get over it" to others to and to 'move on"...which is saying to the person, "stop caring enough about others and give up your desire to prevent what happened to you from happening to another." Why would a person propagate such a stance on a board for ex members of a psychotic cult?

Scientology OSA does not care a whit about statements or stories that scientology does bad things. The conceptual reply is "Christianity had the Inquisition" so we can "Do as thou whilst"

The only thing they care about it whether one refers to it as a Church. Scientology's religious cloaking is its only constructive defense against criminal liability as an outright FRAUD.

-------

"The only defense against psychological manipulation is to become familiar with the techniques being used upon you.' Paraphrased from George Estabrooks also see Dr Oppenheimer warning on main index page at Lermanet.com

Note: When any decision is made upon lies, there is no longer FREE WILL, there is no longer informed consent.
Decisions based upon LIES are covert manipulations too.. People rarely choose to become scoundrels, often they had no choice, -or- thought that under the 'suitable guise' of presented circumstance were doing the right thing. Dead agenting, and character assasination are the bullets of the information age.

PS: A gradient to 'cause them to walk away', is to make certain topics so unpleasant that folks walk away from discussing that topic.. even if the are not driven away they turn away, and are tricked into choosing not to look that way any more, not to even discuss that topic, by the unpleasantness (demonization by mere association of that topic with the vitriol)

bob-hall.jpg

Thank you. And, ponder, I will.

Right now, the suggestion that Trainspotting's denizens have been subject to deliberate and covert hypnotising by OSA seems unreal to me. For it to be true it must apply equally to Trainspotting *and* ESMB. Or is there some evidence that ESMB is exempt from it? The "covert hypnosis" paradigm also puts me off in that the only outcome of its singular applicability is a WIN / LOSS or VICTIM / PERPETRATOR dynamic. My immediate reaction to the covert hypnosis suggestion is: "observer bias". Can you dispel that - have you viewed the situation through any other lens? Personally, I'm taking a sort of "family dynamics" approach and looking at things like triangulation and other distortions in "healthy" communication. I am also re-reading Lord of the Flies and even dug out an old text book on Games Theory.

Shit . . . maybe I *am* obsessed ; )

Still, seeing as how the suggestion comes from you, I shall put aside, for the moment, my concerns in regard to a healing outcome and take another look. I'll have a refresher-read of the excellent material at lermanet and see if I can also identify which lies might have been told. Given your sturdy adherence to the covert hypnosis explanation, have you considered in this situation what might have been the lies, or at least the erroneous data, upon which the alleged manipulation is predicated?

Where we do have signficant agreement is in regard to the "get over it" meme. Lets build on that.

..


(RIP Bob Minton. Respect, dude.)
 

Lermanet_com

Gold Meritorious Patron
Infinite: thanks for even considering the possibility... as it took me a decade to get to that point...

there was a meeting with a gypsy back in 1997, named Ian Hancock, who had an honorary appointment by President Bill Clinton as Ambassador to the UN for the Romani (Gypsy) populations. which I posted about on OCMB..years ago HERE, In it I got the distinct feeling, in that meeting, that he was trying to hypnotize me...,trying to get me to stop attacking The Asthmatic Dwarf. and, as, when it doesn't make sense, it's also, likely OSA is fine but I wanted to know how it was being done..., there were other clues... It was what I saw go down at the LMT and the denigration of Bob Minton on ARS, that raised the possibility in my mind, But It was the incident described in THIS posting that finally caused me to start spending my own money buying old hypnosis books because of what I experienced, as afterwards the young man did not recall what I recall he had previously, vividly described to me on the telephone.

I wanted to know how the trick was being done.
 
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Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Infinite: thanks for even considering the possibility... as it took me a decade to get to that point...

there was a meeting with a gypsy back in 1997, named Ian Hancock, who had an honorary appointment by President Bill Clinton as Ambassador to the UN for the Romani (Gypsy) populations. which I posted about on OCMB..years ago HERE, In it I got the distinct feeling, in that meeting, that he was trying to hypnotize me...,trying to get me to stop attacking The Asthmatic Dwarf. and, as, when it doesn't make sense, it's also, likely OSA is fine but I wanted to know how it was being done..., there were other clues... It was what I saw go down at the LMT and the denigration of Bob Minton on ARS, that raised the possibility in my mind, But It was the incident described in THIS posting that finally caused me to start spending my own money buying old hypnosis books because of what I experienced, as afterwards the young man did not recall what I recall he had previously, vividly described to me on the telephone.

I wanted to know how the trick was being done.

Heh! Now that I re-read it, it was a bit wanky. Sorry.

I have started working my way through your "Ron The Hypnotist" information. What a truck-load of work you have done on the subject! I wish I had listened to this earlier. Great intro and, yes, when it comes to garnering a glimpse at the devilish use of "therapy" I am but learning to stand. All those little tricks and tips: mixing past/present tense, unexpected swerves in subject, story telling, little gaps in the narrative for "dub in", redefinition, repetition, and so on, until the "mark" is left with only one way to think. In the intense atmosphere of Scientology where the physical, social, and psychological infrastructure is designed not only impart but also enforce its agenda, what little chance an individual has. And how dare L Ron Hubbard describe his blatant misuse of such skills as "getting Ethics in"!! Ethics?? FFS!!

Fortunately, outside of the Scientology environment there are better odds on recognising and dealing with Hubbard's "planetary therapists". Maintaining access to hard won knowledge, as this thread does, and creating a space for dialogue, as ESMB does, is essential.

Anyway, I'm rambling as usual. I'm going to shut up and go into lurk mode for a while. My data collection phase is largely over. Thank you for your comments, thank you this thread, and thank you ESMB.
 
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