OSA tracking Independents in Iowa. Reformation in progress. Class 5 made.

Zhongjianren

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OSA tracking Independents in Iowa. Reformation in progress. Class 5 made.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/the-scientology-reformation/#comment-147825
LDW | September 15, 2011 at 7:47 pm | Reply

The reformation is well in progress. We just completed our first, from the ground up, class V. She went home and immediately secured a couple of PCs so she can complete her internship requirements.

The press seems to be well on thier way to a quality reformation. A lot of very accurate reporting in the news these days. More truth per page than in a 1,000 hours of miscavige/sherman drivel.

How about a reformation of OSA? These guys are so off the wall they have resorted to a sting operation that we just found out about.

It seems that someone monitors ours and other groups success stories. Say we have a success from a clear cycle with the initials J G in Iowa. OSA ops scurry around like mice after crumbs to locate, and call in for sec checking, everyone in the area with those initials.

Seriously! This is actually happening.

I can hear it now, “quick, find out who JG is. How dare they get wins and gains without our approval or our cut. Interrogate everyone. Leave no stone unturned.”

I don’t know how much more desperate or creepy these guys can get. But I’m sure they haven’t hit bottom yet.

Les
Life Enhancement Center
http://lifeenhance.org/

I think the above is significant for two reasons.

First, those (like me) who were in the COS know that, to the corporate COS, there is a world of difference between an Independent making a Clear (or Grade Release, etc.) on the auditing side of the Bridge, and an Independent making another Auditor on the training side.

An Independent Clear (or Grade Release) can do what, exactly? Spread good word of mouth? Yes. FSM for the Independent Auditor? Yes. But that is it.

But creating an Independent Training side of the Bridge? Making a new Independent Auditor? Someone to make Clears and Grade Releases? Someone else who may, in turn, train more new Independent Auditors? That creates the danger of Independent growth. That, my friends, is a virus.

Secondly, the fact OSA is tracking an Independent Clear in Iowa indicates that the corporate Church of Scientology thinks the matter is of some importance.
 

Veda

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OSA tracking Independents in Iowa. Reformation in progress. Class 5 made.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/the-scientology-reformation/#comment-147825
Life Enhancement Center
http://lifeenhance.org/

I think the above is significant for two reasons.

First, those (like me) who were in the COS know that, to the corporate COS, there is a world of difference between an Independent making a Clear (or Grade Release, etc.) on the auditing side of the Bridge, and an Independent making another Auditor on the training side.

An Independent Clear (or Grade Release) can do what, exactly? Spread good word of mouth? Yes. FSM for the Independent Auditor? Yes. But that is it.

But creating an Independent Training side of the Bridge? Making a new Independent Auditor? Someone to make Clears and Grade Releases? Someone else who may, in turn, train more new Independent Auditors? That creates the danger of Independent growth. That, my friends, is a virus.

Secondly, the fact OSA is tracking an Independent Clear in Iowa indicates that the corporate Church of Scientology thinks the matter is of some importance.

I guess being in the twilght zone is the theme of the hour. :eyeroll:

There has been auditor training outside the CofS for a long time. The better part of thirty years. If a person wants it, he can find it. The delivery is usually through mom&pop operations, small scale, but one can find any number of experienced auditors who will train another to also be an auditor.

Is there a wide training assembly-line in existence, as exists, or as once existed, in Scientology Inc.? Not yet, although, if some people's dream manifests, there will be, along with an Independent Scientology PR dept., Investigations dept., and slowly, creepingly, most of the rest of Hubbard Scientology. In other words: Hubbard cult 2.

Hubbard cult 2 is what this is about, not just someone training another to be an auditor.
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thats the way movements cycle as outlined by many critiques on toxic demises, a cause, a movement, a business, a racket.

i think fewer goals start out with the stated deceptive goal & intent hubbard did , no suprise hubbards had the existing genes of spy ops from its spermicidal pre-natal con-cept-ion.

So i wouldnt see it changing, IFAs still maintaining good cop hubbard persona, things change though..

Scn Admin tech supposedly based on a billion year model civilisation, and its been internally eating its offspring since day dot.
 

Teanntás

Silver Meritorious Patron
Thats the way movements cycle as outlined by many critiques on toxic demises, a cause, a movement, a business, a racket.

i think fewer goals start out with the stated deceptive goal & intent hubbard did , no suprise hubbards had the existing genes of spy ops from its spermicidal pre-natal con-cept-ion.

So i wouldnt see it changing, IFAs still maintaining good cop hubbard persona, things change though..

Scn Admin tech supposedly based on a billion year model civilisation, and its been internally eating its offspring since day dot.

"i think fewer goals start out with the stated deceptive goal & intent hubbard did "

If it was a deceptive goal from the start, why did Hubbard himself get auditing, apparently right up to his demise?
 

Gadfly

Crusader
"i think fewer goals start out with the stated deceptive goal & intent hubbard did "

If it was a deceptive goal from the start, why did Hubbard himself get auditing, apparently right up to his demise?

This is a very important point.

If Hubbard actually audited on NOTs materials up until the end, feeling that it was necessary to address these "case factors", then it seems that he BELIEVED IT HIMSELF. This is no minor point as far as the argument by some that Hubbard "planned every aspect of the deception from the start".

This would imply that he believed in his "theories" about Man, the universe, the whole track, and whole track incidents (OT III, BTs, etc.). That makes him more a Jehovah's Witness type of looney, where the person who pushes the crazy ideas on you BELIEVES the details of the nutty ideas. That still doesn't reduce any of how destructive Scientology can be to people, and how utterly insane Hubbard's organization is, but it does make him different than a pure "PT Barnum" type scammer.

There are two types of bullshitters. First, are the ones who KNOW they are bullshitting others, and do it anyways for personal gain and profits. Second, is the larger category containing the ones who themselves believe the bullshit, who sell you the BS with "good intentions", and who "dedicatedly" and "with conviction" push the bullshit on others. Many Scientology followers are of this second type. So are many other religious people. So are many other people driven by various ideologies.

In the end it really doesn't matter whether Hubbard intended it all as a scam or not. It functions as a scam either way. And, the organization is designed as a manipulative mind control operation whether he believed his theories or not.

In the first case, where he might be a total scammer who believed none of the theories about "evolving Man", then the organization is just another aspect of the scam.

In the second case, where he believed the "self-help" aspect to some degree, then the planned manipulation and intentionally force of the organization exist "for your own good", and because "in your sorry low-toned fucked-up degraded thetan condition, you just don't know any better, and you NEED to be controlled (8C-ed) at every step along the way to go up the Bridge". This second possibility involves the KSW notion that "we have the truth, you don't, and you NEED what we have, even if you don't know any better". It involves severe condescension, and an "elitist" mentality and view towards all others.

If Hubbard actually did believe his own theories, and did audit NOTs right up until the end, then possibility TWO is much more likely. No amount of "logic" can change that if he was really auditing. But it makes little difference, because Scientology sucks in either case!
 

Veda

Sponsor
"i think fewer goals start out with the stated deceptive goal & intent hubbard did "

If it was a deceptive goal from the start, why did Hubbard himself get auditing, apparently right up to his demise?

It's likely that Hubbard was using an e-meter when he discovered the "provable electronic fact" [it read on an e-meter] that pain and sex were invented by ancient psychiatrists...

HCO BULLETIN OF 26 AUGUST 1982

PAIN AND SEX

There are two items in this universe that cause more trouble than many others combined.

One is PAIN.

The other is SEX.

One should know more about these things.

They may have applications but they are used by destructive beings in great volume to cave others in.

Despite the false data of Freud, psychologists, psychiatrists and other criminals, they are not native to a being. They are only artificial wavelengths. They have exact frequencies that can be manufactured. A being or a machine can synthesize either one.

Pain becomes a lock on a being’s abhorrence for misalignment of his own electrical flows. It is a lock upon unconsciousness which shuts off knowingness. Sex is a lock on and perversion of the “joy of creation” which involves a whole being and expands him, but by using just one wavelength, sex, this can be perverted and he contracts.

When pain enters a scene, a being withdraws, contracts and can go unconscious. When sex enters the scene, a being fixates and loses power.

Destructive creatures who do not want people big or reaching—since they are terrified of punishment due to their crimes—invented pain and sex to shrink people and cut their alertness, knowingness, power and reach.

Go into an asylum or a prison and look at the increasing institutional population and know what you are looking at. In the main, these are pain and sex addicts, decadent and degraded and no longer capable. They were sent on that route down through the ages by the psychs and here they are still in the psychs’ hands! And do they get well or go straight? Oh no. Whether in prisons or insane asylums they just get worse. And the psychs in both places rub their bloodied hands as they turn their products loose again upon the remaining population! It’s no accident. And the stocks in-trade of psychs are PAIN and SEX. They will even tell you it’s “natural” to steal!

To compound their felony—if that is possible—they tell you it’s the body doing it. Another crashing big false datum on top of all their other lies.

These are data which emerged from recent thorough research of the whole track. This is not theory or some strange opinion. It is provable electronic fact. The waves are just synthesized.

They are the most-used tools in the campaign against beings in furthering the general goal of those creatures whose sole ambition is destruction. The universe does not happen to be either destructive or chaotic except as such obsessed creeps make it.



That Hubbard had a hidden agenda for what he wanted to do with Scientology does not preclude his having become preoccupied with his e-meter and self-auditing. In the 1930s and 1940s he was preoccupied with self-hypnosis, and perhaps with self-drug-hypnosis.

A combination of method and madness. That seems to be the recurring pattern. 1938: Hubbard writes passionately about his "real goal" of attaining "immortality," not through spiritual means, but through becoming a legend by "smashing his name into history." Yet, he had just written a manuscript titled 'Excalibur', which presented a "philosophy" that extolled "Survival!" At the center of this impulse to "Survive!" would be Hubbard himself, his name, that he would smash into history. That sounds a lot like madness. Yet there was a method also.

Seventy years later, Scientology (and the "Church of Spiritual Technology") has as its (not publicized) primary mission, not helping others, not bringing spiritual freedom or enlightenment, not making a better world, but the preservation of the name of L. Ron Hubbard. That's the "real goal," the goal behind the shroud of spirituality and humanitarianism. And that's madness, but with a method.

"Xenu" and "OT 3" are a similar combination of madness and method. Having traveled to Southern Africa with high hopes of becoming Mr. Big, Hubbard was unceremoniously booted out. Why? What could cause people to reject the majesty and power and charm of L. Ron Hubbard? What engram could cause such irrational behavior? What could explain why people were not recognizing L. Ron Hubbard as the Great Man of the Age? What could it be? It would have to be something tremendous. Something overwhelming of a galactic magnitude. More madness.

Yet also a method. Hubbard wrote of the importance of "using enemy tactics," and would even use those "enemy tactics" on his own loyal followers. He had written of psychiatrists in August 1963:

"Psychiatry is authoritarian and tells the person what's wrong with him, often introducing a new lie. Scientology finds out what's wrong with the person from the person."

Soon to follow would be the secret and very serious, and very dangerous "Clearing Course," "OT 2" and "OT 3" (and Xenu), in which Hubbard would do what he said the psychiatrists did. That's madness, yet with a method, with a plan.

The motive goes back to at least 1938. The plan is outlined in startling detail in a booklet, secretly authored by Hubbard in 1955, titled (his title) 'The Brainwashing Manual', subtitled, 'Psycho-politics - the art and science of asserting and maintaining dominion over... thoughts and loyalties... through mental healing'.

Madness... and yet method.
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
"i think fewer goals start out with the stated deceptive goal & intent hubbard did "

If it was a deceptive goal from the start, why did Hubbard himself get auditing, apparently right up to his demise?

I wouldnt personally use Hubbard receiving auditing as a sign of his intent.

I could ask why wouldn't Ron give up his Rockslams on the Apollo, why was he flying into rages, why did he confess overts didnt cause the blow phenomena to Bill Franks, but reverted back to the 1950 DMSMH reason that blows occur due to upsets. Why did he state in DMSMH that a tired person is reduced in consciousness & susceptible to being implanted, but set up the SO with tiresome schedules. Why did he say Now 4200 times on the PDCs , but state in Dianetics that "Now" is a repeater word to pin a person in present time where he can be implanted and more agreeable.
Why would he state in the SHSBC certain words that are thought stoppers , but use those words frequently all throughout that course and earlier "lectures" .

Why would he authorize the removal of an Appendix from the 1951 DMSMH , which states 'what the PC should know', with info on, how a pc will introvert upon start of therapy, rollercaster & 29 other points that are illuminating and contradict Scn practices today.

His hypnotism knowledge is littered throughout most of his materials, using what he is describing, plus frequently contradicting himself.

There are so many loose specifics in DMSMH alone that IMO he deliberately set out with intent to deceive, but he could move like a shadow.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
This is a very important point.

If Hubbard actually audited on NOTs materials up until the end, feeling that it was necessary to address these "case factors", then it seems that he BELIEVED IT HIMSELF. This is no minor point as far as the argument by some that Hubbard "planned every aspect of the deception from the start".

This would imply that he believed in his "theories" about Man, the universe, the whole track, and whole track incidents (OT III, BTs, etc.). That makes him more a Jehovah's Witness type of looney, where the person who pushes the crazy ideas on you BELIEVES the details of the nutty ideas. That still doesn't reduce any of how destructive Scientology can be to people, and how utterly insane Hubbard's organization is, but it does make him different than a pure "PT Barnum" type scammer.

There are two types of bullshitters. First, are the ones who KNOW they are bullshitting others, and do it anyways for personal gain and profits. Second, is the larger category containing the ones who themselves believe the bullshit, who sell you the BS with "good intentions", and who "dedicatedly" and "with conviction" push the bullshit on others. Many Scientology followers are of this second type. So are many other religious people. So are many other people driven by various ideologies.

In the end it really doesn't matter whether Hubbard intended it all as a scam or not. It functions as a scam either way. And, the organization is designed as a manipulative mind control operation whether he believed his theories or not.

In the first case, where he might be a total scammer who believed none of the theories about "evolving Man", then the organization is just another aspect of the scam.

In the second case, where he believed the "self-help" aspect to some degree, then the planned manipulation and intentionally force of the organization exist "for your own good", and because "in your sorry low-toned fucked-up degraded thetan condition, you just don't know any better, and you NEED to be controlled (8C-ed) at every step along the way to go up the Bridge". This second possibility involves the KSW notion that "we have the truth, you don't, and you NEED what we have, even if you don't know any better". It involves severe condescension, and an "elitist" mentality and view towards all others.

If Hubbard actually did believe his own theories, and did audit NOTs right up until the end, then possibility TWO is much more likely. No amount of "logic" can change that if he was really auditing. But it makes little difference, because Scientology sucks in either case!

^^^^^:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
I wouldnt personally use Hubbard receiving auditing as a sign of his intent.

I could ask why wouldn't Ron give up his Rockslams on the Apollo, why was he flying into rages, why did he confess overts didnt cause the blow phenomena to Bill Franks, but reverted back to the 1950 DMSMH reason that blows occur due to upsets. Why did he state in DMSMH that a tired person is reduced in consciousness & susceptible to being implanted, but set up the SO with tiresome schedules. Why did he say Now 4200 times on the PDCs , but state in Dianetics that "Now" is a repeater word to pin a person in present time where he can be implanted and more agreeable.
Why would he state in the SHSBC certain words that are thought stoppers , but use those words frequently all throughout that course and earlier "lectures" .

Why would he authorize the removal of an Appendix from the 1951 DMSMH , which states 'what the PC should know', with info on, how a pc will introvert upon start of therapy, rollercaster & 29 other points that are illuminating and contradict Scn practices today.

His hypnotism knowledge is littered throughout most of his materials, using what he is describing, plus frequently contradicting himself.

There are so many loose specifics in DMSMH alone that IMO he deliberately set out with intent to deceive, but he could move like a shadow.

"Fabian", no less!

Read Face's thread where it's stated about command phrases and pictures as in all the hoaky photos and dust cover jackets that are supposed to "re-stimulate" incidents and reactively compel raw meat to purchase materials...the Volcano of DMSMH...circulating a copy of Revolt in the Stars thinking it's a "for sure" thing...Nibs talking about how he wanted to totally destroy someone this lifetime instead of kill them because that merely released them to go get another body...all the Scn security measures completely relying upon the e-meter...

I think he believed his story.

Leon once posted about LRH's left-hand path route and other people developing tech in Scn that were right-hand path devotees and, hence, the apparent contradiction between the "good" tech and the "bad" intent of Scientology.

This appears that Ron "rose above the bank" so that he "didn't have discreditable reads", aka rockslams, aka Otto Roose story, but that Ron still believed in the efficacy of the tech.

As far as the contradictions go...well, that just proves he's batshit crazy...

Ron Hubbard on the 1st D - lies and cheats everywhere...even when the truth could serve...smokes Kools...hoarding runaway cash per Nibs per Mayo, et al...defrauds...Mystic states he rockslams on "unlimited wealth"...takes drugs his whole life...dresses up as a gay Cecil Rhodes complete with lip rouge...had rotten teeth...was obese and out of shape...dies after multiple strokes and Vistaril. Hiding out in a secret location.

Ron Hubbard on the 2nd D - lies and cheats everywhere...ditches Polly and the kids...gives his kids drugs...runs off with a sex-orgy tramp and marries her while committing bigomy no less...kidnaps his own child...later disowns said child...cheats on this one...walks the aisle with a preggers Mary Sue...cheats on her and knocks up some other gal...Quentin fiasco...Mary Sue going to prison as the Wicked Witch of the Guardians Office...the lot of women is fornication and it doesn't bother him to see a virgin get raped...Satanic cult orgies to create anti-Christ Moonchildren...policy that all kids are psycho, etc. Hiding out in a secret location.

Ron Hubbard on the 3rd D - lies and cheats everywhere...bankrupts multiple Dianetics enterprises and runs in secret operatives to sink others...defrauds the VA for benefits...exemplar military record even finding a saboteur's bomb and shelling Mexico...his "friendship" in the Parson's Satanic cult...staff conditions and staff pay...turning on his own Missions...disconnection policy...PTS/SP declares...those wonderful Green Vols and nifty organizations like the Sea Org, GO, OSA, CMO, etc. - this guy was quite a group member. Hiding out in a secret location.

Ron Hubbard on the 4th D - lies and cheats everywhere...Mankind's Greatest Friend...All Men Are His Slaves...his advice and use of the legal system...PR tech...the chosen way to sneak into Florida...multiple lectures about setting up Purity Leagues and infiltrating society...making friends in every port of call with the Apollo and the sanity it portrays...supporting Apartheid...investigated in every court system on the globe, etc. - a real up and up guy. Hiding out in a secret location.

5th and 6th I don't know about but if it's anything like the others then he's below Treason on 'em.

Ron Hubbard on the 7th - lies and cheats everywhere...copyrighting everyone else's material and calling it his own...Satanic cults and Affirmations...the whole Magick thing with him as the Source-rer...those wonderful professional photographs...Power of Source and The Road to Freedom albums...you get the idea...and, of course, Hiding out in a secret location.

Ron Hubbard on the 8th - Nibs said he claimed to be the Beast!

This guy extorts and manipulates on everything at all times while spraying squid ink to remain Fabian and invisible. It's in his very nature to be complicit and duplicitous and that's what he was even with the tech.
 
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