OT III A new look?

Terril park

Sponsor
Would it be useful to rework OT III so as to run explosions in
a better or simpler form? Some earlier comments and quotes of mine .



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From pab 12:-

"The explosion is apparently a very definite basis in all engrams and,
for our purposes here, can be considered to be basicbasic. And it could be remarked with this PAB that basicbasic for all cases has been discovered and is being delivered into your hands to be run,"

"What exactly is the cycle of the explosion? One gets the preclear to
get nothingness, then a growing expanse of whiteness, then turn the whiteness black, have the black dwindle and get nothingness again. You will readily see the similarity of this to Black and White Processing and, indeed this is the furthest extension of Black and White Processing but is many times more effective and usefull."

"....It does not matter how poorly the preclear runs this. It does not matter if the nearest approach to whiteness is simply the idea that something might be white if he could see it"

Note that there was a whole book dedicated to black and white processing, Scn 8-80

PAB 12 recomends running explosions between each step of the Six Steps to Self-Auditing.

Incident 1 :-

"1 Patter: LOUD SNAP, WAVES OF LIGHT, HORSES DRAWING
CHARIOT RIGHT TO LEFT, CHERUB COMES OUT,
BLOWS HORN, COMES CLOSE, SHATTERING
SERIES OF SNAPS, CHERUB FADES,
RETREATS, BLACK MASS
IS DUMPED ON THE THETAN."

Note that this involves whiteness [ waves of light] and blackness
[ black mass]. Sound effects are added which seems appropriate for an explosion.

Also note that inc 2 involves lots of explosions. So if the theory of this PAB is correct entities, single unit beings, get run on explosions as much as needed.
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This will probably work just as well.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Would it be useful to rework OT III so as to run explosions in
a better or simpler form? Some earlier comments and quotes of mine .



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From pab 12:-

"The explosion is apparently a very definite basis in all engrams and,
for our purposes here, can be considered to be basicbasic. And it could be remarked with this PAB that basicbasic for all cases has been discovered and is being delivered into your hands to be run,"

"What exactly is the cycle of the explosion? One gets the preclear to
get nothingness, then a growing expanse of whiteness, then turn the whiteness black, have the black dwindle and get nothingness again. You will readily see the similarity of this to Black and White Processing and, indeed this is the furthest extension of Black and White Processing but is many times more effective and usefull."

"....It does not matter how poorly the preclear runs this. It does not matter if the nearest approach to whiteness is simply the idea that something might be white if he could see it"

Note that there was a whole book dedicated to black and white processing, Scn 8-80

PAB 12 recomends running explosions between each step of the Six Steps to Self-Auditing.

Incident 1 :-

"1 Patter: LOUD SNAP, FARTS, BURPS, WAVES OF LIGHT, HORSES, MANURE, DRAWING
CHARIOT RIGHT TO LEFT, CHERUB COMES OUT,
BLOWS HORN, FARTS, BURPS, COMES CLOSE, SHATTERING
SERIES OF SNAPS, CHERUB FADES,
RETREATS, BLACK MASS
IS DUMPED ON THE THETAN."

Note that this involves whiteness [ waves of light] and blackness
[ black mass]. Sound effects are added which seems appropriate for an explosion.

Also note that inc 2 involves lots of explosions. So if the theory of this PAB is correct entities, single unit beings, get run on explosions as much as needed.
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Fixd
 

Mystic

Crusader
I really appreciate the conjured entity Hubbard-thing bringing OafTee III into existence. Guarantees the eventual demise of all creditability of his specious "tech".
 

ULRC/S

Patron with Honors
Terrel,
In a word, N0!

OT3 RUNS JUST FINE AS IS, DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE STUPID BY SUGGESTING UNNEEDED AND UNWANTED ADDITIVES.

And DON'T post the really confidential restimulative parts of 3 on an open forum!

Regards, Allen.
 
This board is apparently not the right forum to try to forward science and have serious discussions. :duh:

But I think every subject should be able to be discussed and dissected thoroughly since that's how things evolve. I think many Scientologists blindly follow LRH words and to discuss them is qualified as squirrel, heresity or trying to alter the tech and therefore suppressive. I think not. If it's done with well intentioned purposes.

Like LRH himself said:

“You are asked to examine the subject of Scientology on a critical basis—a very critical basis.“

“So then we ask you to look at Scientology, study it, question it, and use it as we present it and you will have discovered something for yourself. And in so doing you might well discover a lot more.”

“When you have applied it as it should be, and applied as it is taught at the school, and still find it unworkable, it is your privilege to question it and, if you like, reject it.“

So theoretically it could be that LRH discovered the explosion-thing-auditing that works and then made up a story (OT III) that sounded sci-fi and cool?

Like I've stated elsewhere, there are some evidence for the OT III story from a geological point of view, the shocked quartz (from nuclear sites) and the iridium (volcano lava) at the K/T-layer 65 million years ago.

The biggest problems are:

1. Lack of fossils from the supposedly 250 billion people who lived here about 75 million years ago.

2. The scientific studies of shocked quartz indicates a single impact (not several all around the world like LRH indicated).

In favor of OT III is that the iridium does not indicate a single impact since it's unevenly spread out all over the globe. Iridium is found in volcano lava, but also in asteroids. One could also propose some ad-hoc theories that when Xenu was done with his doingness here on earth he dropped one helluva big H-bomb in Chicxulub (where scientists thinks one asteroid hit) to make it look like one large impact and to confuse the people who would discuss this about 75 million years later on forums like this.

Virus that only destroyed humanoids could have been dropped as well, but as you can see, the ad-hocs are starting to build up.

And what is it that's being run? BT's, genetic entities, cellular consciousness or a combination of all?

Perhaps the genocide is true, but only partly true, and LRH sized-up the story some?

Some theories:
All the souls were dropped at Chicxulub and only one gigantic H-bomb were dropped there.

Perhaps this occurred 250 million years ago at the Permian-Triassic extinction or at some other planet, but there was actually a genocide?

Perhaps the BT's are just weak souls who like to attach to bodies? No genocide ever happened.

Perhaps, like someone else stated (a SOLO NOTs C/S) that it could be cellular consciousness being run out, and could partly explain the cancer?

Perhaps ridges from old upsets are being formed around the body and those are being blown?

Could be all kinds of possibilities...
 

paradox

ab intra silentio vera
ND UNWANTED ADDITIVES.

And DON'T post the really confidential restimulative parts of 3 on an open forum!

Your Master(s) would be proud. :yes:

Nullius in verba

Nullius in verba”, which is the Latin motto of the Royal Society of London, the UK’s national academy of science, means literally :"On the words of no one" , as nullius (genitive case) corresponds to 'of no one’ and in verba to ‘on the words’.

In fact the motto of the Royal society points out that we must believe in the words of nobody, but we have to use science to establish “the truth of scientific matters through experiment rather than through citation of authority”.

This motto is an adaptation of a quote from Horace, Epistles, book I, epistle 1, line 14, where the Roman poet (First Century BC ) points out that no one is bound to believe in the words of any master (Latin, “Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri” meaning “I am not bound to believe in the word of any master”), that is to say that we must have individual experience and reason in the constitution of our knowledge, without depending upon the citation of authority.
 

Mystic

Crusader
Terrel,
In a word, N0!

OT3 RUNS JUST FINE AS IS, DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE STUPID BY SUGGESTING UNNEEDED AND UNWANTED ADDITIVES.

And DON'T post the really confidential restimulative parts of 3 on an open forum!

Regards, Allen.
There are no "really confidential restimulative parts of 3".

OT III is a drug hallucination of the Hubbard entity and is an abject lie.

Add all you want. Subtract all you want. Makes no difference. Just a maundering around in goo.

"The only way to control people is to lie to them." -- the Hubbard entity.
 

ULRC/S

Patron with Honors
Terrel,
In a word, N0!

OT3 RUNS JUST FINE AS IS, DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE STUPID BY SUGGESTING UNNEEDED AND UNWANTED ADDITIVES.

And DON'T post the really confidential restimulative parts of 3 on an open forum!

Regards, Allen.
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
Terrel,
In a word, N0!

OT3 RUNS JUST FINE AS IS, DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE STUPID BY SUGGESTING UNNEEDED AND UNWANTED ADDITIVES.

And DON'T post the really confidential restimulative parts of 3 on an open forum!

Regards, Allen.

He doesn't need to. It's all over the internet anyway.
What are you trying to stop?
 

Veda

Sponsor
Terrel,
In a word, N0!

OT3 RUNS JUST FINE AS IS, DON'T MAKE YOURSELF LOOK MORE STUPID BY SUGGESTING UNNEEDED AND UNWANTED ADDITIVES.

And DON'T post the really confidential restimulative parts of 3 on an open forum!

Regards, Allen.

Well, the confidential parts are already all over the Internet, so realistic PR damage control - especially on ESMB where most people already know about the wording of Incident 1, and the Xenu story of Incident 2 - would accept that it's too late to keep that secret, and would attempt to then put a spin on it.

However, at least you're honest about your feelings. But remember that part of Scientology is the use of PR to handle wogs, raw meat, and Ex Scientologists. Anyone who's familiar with the materials of OT 3 knows that saying its is something else is a devious public relations ploy.

If it's something else, then it's not OT 3, and shouldn't be called OT 3 anymore.

If I could find it, I'd post a link to some CofS promo which describes OT 3 - in very vague general terms - as an "explosion." In other promo, and in Ron's Journal '67, it's no secret that - per Scientology - something really big and really bad happened 75 million years ago. Per Scientology PR tech, saying OT 3 is an "explosion" serves to "fill the vacuum" of curiosity for the person (wog, raw meat, etc.) until the person can be guided into actually doing OT 3 with Hubbard's materials.

Of course, it's dishonest, but hey, it's Scientology, and presenting "acceptable truths" to beings of lower awareness levels (wogs, EX's, etc.) is part of "handling" them.

Another variation of the "PR handling" of the OT 3 (PR) problem is the one used by Gordon Melton, hired cult shill and fake "religious expert," and that's to claim that Incident 2 (of 75 million years ago) is a "metaphor," and to go so far as to assert that's what Scientologists believe it is.

This bogus explanation can "work" on some, and there's a video of it being used with some success on a member of anonymous at a protest.

Yet, per Scientology tech, the reason why Hubbard's OT 3 materials and instructions are so vitally important to the "decontamination of this sector of the galaxy" is that they duplicate the key points of the super-engram ("4th dynamic engram") by providing previously inaccessible (and un-confrontable in full detail by anyone but Hubbard) "time, place, form, and event," for that super-engram, plus Hubbard's instructions on how to navigate through the BT-infested "Wall of Fire," so as to avoid "freewheeling" (having one's "BT case" massively stimulated by agitating them with only partially run, but not yet fully run out, "time, place, form, and event," of Incident 2 of OT 3.)

So telling people that OT 3 is a "metaphor" is a dishonest ploy, but it's used anyway.

Attempting to deflect the "PR problem" of Incident 2 of OT 3 by switching to the less complicated "Incident 1," and claiming that "it's an explosion" and is covered in 'Pab 12', or whatever, is another PR ploy.

At least, from my experience, the people at Ron's Orgs (even though I think they're kind of nutty) are known for not using PR, but being more straightforward. Unfortunately, the CofS, and most of Freezone/Indie Scientology, are not so straightforward.

And, to me, that's more offensive that the stupidity, goofiness, or being silly.
 
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