OT Level confidentiality is bull

[Pascal]

I was listening to the Milestone One tapes and there's a lecture where Ron talks about "entities" and that by the mere fact of knowing about them you nullify a great deal of their power over you. These tapes have ALL the "Body Thetan" tech, ALL of it. Same stuff that you will find in OTIII(stuck on track BTs) and NOTS(sleeping BTs and clusters) HCOBs.

Of course most CoS public don't listen to tapes and just fork out money thinking they'll get to OT with no effort of their own. No wonder they all die of cancer.

 

[Stan D'Teque]

There's several HCOBs (non-confidential) that talk about mis-ownership that came out around 68 -69 I think. I found it a bit hard to believe that they were there available for anyone to read and puzzle over but they're in the Red Vol.s. And then there's "What to Audit" (better known now as History of man) that talks endlessly about volcanoes and entities. It's just an insanity to keep the punters guessing (and paying for) the OT levels. More cynical rip-off of the paying public.

 

[gomorrhan]

They don't all die of cancer, PMD, and that's a pretty horrible thing to say. Cancer is a terrible illness. My father died of it, and he was no Scientologist. My mother nearly died of it, and she was no scientologist.

Spite for others isn't a virtue.

 

[Pascal]

They don't all die of cancer, PMD, and that's a pretty horrible thing to say. Cancer is a terrible illness. My father died of it, and he was no Scientologist. My mother nearly died of it, and she was no scientologist.

Spite for others isn't a virtue.

BT's can fuck up your body. A guy I know got an enlarged heart and stroke due to OTIII flairing up before time. Got handled by a good CS thank the lord.

 

[gomorrhan]

Surprising. I hadn't realized that BTs had been isolated as the source of any medical conditions. You should confer with some doctors. I'm sure they'd be happy to learn this groundbreaking medical procedure.

 

[Pascal]

Surprising. I hadn't realized that BTs had been isolated as the source of any medical conditions. You should confer with some doctors. I'm sure they'd be happy to learn this groundbreaking medical procedure.

Sure, just like the Catholic Church was gushing joy when Galileo proved the earth was orbiting the Sun...

 

[gomorrhan]

I hadn't realized that medical science was a religion. Interesting. This will revolutionize the way it is taught in universities.

 

[Zinjifar]

Sure, just like the Catholic Church was gushing joy when Galileo proved the earth was orbiting the Sun...

He didn't prove it; he suggested it, and, not for the first time. Copernicus had said the same far earlier. However, Galileo deigned to 'interpret' the physical reality in theological terms; so, he got bonked.

Zinj

 

[Pascal]

I hadn't realized that medical science was a religion. Interesting. This will revolutionize the way it is taught in universities.

Universities? Oh you mean those places where they claim to research and teach truth but are filled with conflicting theories and authorities? Where would our perfect world be without those bastions of unshakeable "veritas"! I shudder to thinketh!

 

[Pascal]

He didn't prove it; he suggested it, and, not for the first time. Copernicus had said the same far earlier. However, Galileo deigned to 'interpret' the physical reality in theological terms; so, he got bonked.

Zinj

Point is the medical establishment would not be interested. They already have their answer and their survival depends on it.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

I was listening to the Milestone One tapes and there's a lecture where Ron talks about "entities" and that by the mere fact of knowing about them you nullify a great deal of their power over you. These tapes have ALL the "Body Thetan" tech, ALL of it. Same stuff that you will find in OTIII(stuck on track BTs) and NOTS(sleeping BTs and clusters) HCOBs.

Of course most CoS public don't listen to tapes and just fork out money thinking they'll get to OT with no effort of their own. No wonder they all die of cancer.

I actually think I get the idea behind confidentiality. Scn is not the only ology that has that concept of keeping things secret before one arrives at a particular stage in one's studies.

However, having said that, the OT stuff's been on the net for years. It really does not matter at all. If a person does get "restimulated", why, he'll just get over it eventually. And if he's not at that stage or doesn't believe in that stuff and doesn't get "restimulated" then it won't matter- it'll just go over his head, it won't matter.

Either way, it isn't a problem.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I hadn't realized that medical science was a religion. Interesting. This will revolutionize the way it is taught in universities.

In it's adherence to dogmatic belief in its foundational assumptions it can be a great deal more similar to religion than you are apt to admit, Kev. Fortunately, many doctors & academics recognize the limits of their beliefs, although by no means all.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Either way, it isn't a problem.

Much.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Smitty]

comment to PMD

Point is the medical establishment would not be interested. They already have their answer and their survival depends on it.

If anyone could prove the existence of body thetans, some would be interested and eventually the rest would follow.
However, my own experience with that phenomena is that THERE ARE NO BODY THETANS. They could seem to be that because they are seperate from self. Running the phenomena as identities with Idenics, handles the phenomena.

 

[HappyGirl]

Surprising. I hadn't realized that BTs had been isolated as the source of any medical conditions. You should confer with some doctors. I'm sure they'd be happy to learn this groundbreaking medical procedure.

I hadn't realized that medical science was a religion. Interesting. This will revolutionize the way it is taught in universities.

I actually think I get the idea behind confidentiality. Scn is not the only ology that has that concept of keeping things secret before one arrives at a particular stage in one's studies.

However, having said that, the OT stuff's been on the net for years. It really does not matter at all. If a person does get "restimulated", why, he'll just get over it eventually. And if he's not at that stage or doesn't believe in that stuff and doesn't get "restimulated" then it won't matter- it'll just go over his head, it won't matter.

Either way, it isn't a problem.

Exactly. This is what I thought even while I was still in. So much "Dev-T" to keep it confidential for no reason but to create mystery and worry.

 

[KnightVision]

OT Confidentiality is a failed purpose.......




Amazing that the few people in the world who don't know what the OT levels are about, are the ones who are sure that nobody should find out what they are about. Funny how that works.....

 

[Pascal]

If anyone could prove the existence of body thetans, some would be interested and eventually the rest would follow.
However, my own experience with that phenomena is that THERE ARE NO BODY THETANS. They could seem to be that because they are seperate from self. Running the phenomena as identities with Idenics, handles the phenomena.

Right, try convincing a 6 year old boy that one day he will live to kiss girls. Modern medicine has it's answers and is a shut case. Many doctors probably dabble in spiritualism but they keep their mouth shut to keep their licenses and reputation. I know of an OTV doctor that will inject you with water and comfort you while he prunes BTs from you for example.

 

[Smitty]

reply to PMD

Right, try convincing a 6 year old boy that one day he will live to kiss girls.

I had already kissed girls before I was six. I could also name all the popular music groups and all recent models of automobiles.

Modern medicine has it's answers and is a shut case. Many doctors probably dabble in spiritualism but they keep their mouth shut to keep their licenses and reputation. I know of an OTV doctor that will inject you with water and comfort you while he prunes BTs from you for example.

The OT V doctor who you know is guilty of malpractice if he is injecting his patients with water and is a quack if he thinks he is "pruning BTs" from patients.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Exactly. This is what I thought even while I was still in. So much "Dev-T" to keep it confidential for no reason but to create mystery and worry.

I personally think Hubbard did see people get sick from some of the OT stuff and that he himself did. But I also think that the cult uses this to collect tens or hundreds of thousands from fleecing the faithful. I also think that if a dumbshit like myself can observe that the stuff being mentioned doesn't wreck a person's health or life for good (I will NOT stipulate that it doesn't ever make anyone sick. It can. I know that. But I don't care.) then so could Hubbard and that he had to know that. I believe that his disregard for the welfare and spiritual progression of those he claimed to help and mentor is damn near legendary.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

If anyone could prove the existence of body thetans, some would be interested and eventually the rest would follow.
However, my own experience with that phenomena is that THERE ARE NO BODY THETANS. They could seem to be that because they are seperate from self. Running the phenomena as identities with Idenics, handles the phenomena.

The way I understand your statement Smitty is that you acknowledge the phenomenon of "body thetans" and the utility associated with "auditing them" BUT you do not agree with Hubbard's description of them as being "connected to the body" or necessarily "separate spiritual entities" with their own "whole tracks".

This view would not be radically different from the way many freezoners see "bts".


Mark A. Baker