Arthur Dent
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Lol, Zinj, we've had this conversation many times. I understand that you think it is about hypnosis but that doesn't hold water when it comes to explaining some of the aspects of all Objective Processes.
I don't continue to mention this out of any desire to promote these processes, I simply consider it a mistake to blithely dismiss this stuff in such a manner. Look over some of the processes in Creation Of Human Ability for examples of processes that obviously have little to do with controlling/directing a person's attention or creating delusion. "Find the Hidden Object" (or whatever it's called) is one such example.
There is quite a bit more to it than some of the simplistic explanations would have us believe (desirable as those simple explanations may be to those seeking simple answers to complex questions).
I'm sure there are others here who have had what they consider to be quite positive experiences with Objective Processes, they're probably just loathe to mention it. I prefer truth.
From a "tech" standpoint, I could see where this could be an honest attempt. Before I had gone back on staff and started auditing, I used to read a lot of the tech. One of the things that I ran into, was per the things I was reading, objectives seemed to be getting quickied and I used to get into it a touch with the C/S over this. Stats again just kill things in all directions. An Objectives completion is considered an auditing completion and a major statistic. Plus, I think a lot of PCs were happy to be done with the things. Also, as an auditor, running Op Pro by Dup was one of the worst things in the universe. Fuck--they comped objectives, you got back into "the chair". I don't think that folks were purposely quickieing (how the !#$@ do you spell THAT), but they were never run to the extent that I saw in the HCOBs. Throw in the fact that a lot of these were done in co-audits where that counted as a course comp AND an auditing comp...and all folks are asking these poor students if they were going to comp this week.....well, yeah. Per the tech, a lot of folks were unflat.
Now, that being said, I'm just going to throw in my little opinion fwiw. I do think the objectives, run to full EP do bring a person into "present time". I really don't know that it is a good thing, in the way it is done or in its result. I have read similar occurrences in POW situations. People suddenly feeling they were completely aware, and there after hours of hard labor or repetivie actions to break them. So, Objectives bring you totally "there" breaking past connections. In Dianetics this is promoted...as in A=A=A and it's all bad. But...your past connections are broken. Good perhaps for some habits..but, for critical reasoning and comparisons? I'm not so sure. More readings on neural plasticity and all sorts of things have really made me think that Objectives seriously break the neural pathways that have been built up. And so, your past comparisons, thoughts, experiences are no longer wired into you. So, then, after that....Scientology gets laid down. Objectives lead you wide-open to be re-wired on the tech. Pretty easy to disconnect, ignore other advice, when you are no longer fully connected to them. I'm not totally anti-spiritual, but I think brain stuff definitely enters into the factor, especially in Scientology. I wonder if one reason he argued against the brain so much was because it was being manipulated. I'm probably not explaining this clearly, but I be tired and the hard-drive where I first started working this out and writing about it is off lying in a box somewhere, praying for its own resurrection.
I agree with Panda. I have had much experience running these and found most pc's don't quite get it without a fair amount of educating them on it. They most certainly do bring a person to present time. They do increase ones ability to accomplish things and control their environment. I believe, for that reason, that I can't just throw the concept in the junk heap however loathe I may be to validate any tech being as pissed off as I personally am about all this. I have seen many do better from them and I have had wins from them.
However, I must say that your critique, clamicide, is an intelligent perspective and the only bashing commentary on this that makes me think twice about it... and I think you explained it very clearly. Re-wiring was, indeed, the whole idea of the tech. As it was with training....after the Student Hat you can now study to create a new civilization as I believe was the wording. And, of course that's what we wanted. And on the yellow brick road, some of the bricks were real.