Out-Int — Fact or Fiction?

[Dulloldfart]

Int by Dynamics

I've found this thread very useful, so thanks to all who contributed.

I'm working on adding Int to PaulsRobot in its different forms, namely (to use Clearbird's names) Recall Int RD, Recall Int Remedy, Int RD with Engram Running. I thought I might as well add Int by Dynamics too. I remember reading an HCOB on it at ITO and it seemed pretty simple, but I can't remember how it goes.

I assume it involves doing something about Int with regard to the 1st dynamic, then the 2nd, and so on. Or maybe doing the hottest dynamic first, then reassessing and doing the hottest again and so on until all are flat or there is some big win.

Anyone remember? I can always invent something, but I would prefer not to.

Paul

 

[Lulu Belle]

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[Panda Termint]

Paul,
As you can see from some of the replies on this thread the accepted "cure" for Out-Int is often nothing more than temporary relief for what is a recurring condition for many.

Trouble with Int/Ext seems to depend on the nature of the individual Being and a tendency to "go into things too fixedly".

I therefore submit the one-shot, instant cure-all, never-fail, WTF-didn't-you-say-that-in-the-first-place? Remedy for anyone having trouble with this:

(Point) "Which way was in?"

 

[Hatshepsut]

Paul,
As you can see from some of the replies on this thread the accepted "cure" for Out-Int is often nothing more than temporary relief for what is a recurring condition for many.

Trouble with Int/Ext seems to depend on the nature of the individual Being and a tendency to "go into things too fixedly".

I therefore submit the one-shot, instant cure-all, never-fail, WTF-didn't-you-say-that-in-the-first-place? Remedy for anyone having trouble with this:

(Point) "Which way was in?"

Oh....I just got some relief on that....

 

[Panda Termint]

Oh....I just got some relief on that....

You're welcome.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Paul,
As you can see from some of the replies on this thread the accepted "cure" for Out-Int is often nothing more than temporary relief for what is a recurring condition for many.

Trouble with Int/Ext seems to depend on the nature of the individual Being and a tendency to "go into things too fixedly".

I therefore submit the one-shot, instant cure-all, never-fail, WTF-didn't-you-say-that-in-the-first-place? Remedy for anyone having trouble with this:

(Point) "Which way was in?"

I prefer Rub & Yawn as a cure-all for any kind of charge whatsoever, including Clear hassles and Int hassles. But Rub & Yawn will only seek out and remove charge — it won't provide correct information on the state (or non-state) of Clear or exactly what is happening with the being in an "out-int" condition.

Despite the general usefulness of Rub & Yawn in its many flavours, some people insist on sticking with the "standard stuff," and since this thread has shown that the "standard" approach has yielded fruit in the past, I am providing that opportunity for those who wish to use it.

With that said, thanks for the tip, assuming it's not a joke. I added it to the Int module as a possible help.

Paul

 

[Panda Termint]

That's no joke, my friend, that's about as workable as it gets. Try it.

 

[Dulloldfart]

That's no joke, my friend, that's about as workable as it gets. Try it.

Thanks very much.

Paul

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

So.. It seems that my getting into Scientology was an Out-Int condition... Getting too 'into' it and unable to get the hell out?

 

[RogerB]

Paul and Panda,

Nice exchange of info, gentlemen.

What I'm about to write is off the top of my head because I see Paul is wanting to get on with his project on this issue.

AS I have already noted, LRH missed the boat on what is truly behind the phenomena he referred to as out-int. With Paul having raised the question with this thread, I was thrown into my residual case on the issue when I began giving my 2 cents worth.

I earlier spoke of "forces" as being a why behind the pressures and headaches folks often experience with the out-int phenomena.

Over the last week and a half since addressing this subject I have found and run, very successfully, what I believe to be the real deal on this subject.

What underlies the out-int problem, I find, is one's own stuck, hung-up, intentions.

In my case, what I discovered is that I had rather many of them that had been triggered into dramatization . . . and these were intentions of mine that had been hung up for a very long time and from earlier universes and earlier states of Being.

Some folks may only have one particular intention being dramatized, but that was not my case, though there was what appeared as the main end result and outcome of the whole mess.

The resolution of it all was to pick up the (main, or available) intention one is aware of dramatizing and run the repeater technique on it as I explained in tape 5 of my FZ presentation in Pasadena.

The reason this works is that it is the intention one is dramatizing that is the force that is producing the somatic and the condition of being stuck in or out or whatever the case is for the individual.

Though it is to be noted that in my case, as I lifted off one intention, a new one would appear which would often have a different vector. That is, if I'd been running "get out of here, or don't stay here" or such, the next intention vector that would manifest would often be a reverse such as "get in, or stay in," etc.

It is to be noted that these old hung-up intentions were solutions to old problems and/or situations one did not want to experience . . . and if one had run those old incidents R3R etc, these intentions might likely have been picked up as "postulates/decisions."

But, the fact is I found there are many of them. We've been through a lot of events wherein we "got the hell out" or "went the hell in" to solve some scenario or another.

It is also to be noted that the concepts of these intentions varied slightly over time as appropriate to the circumstance being solved. So, for a complete case handling on this issue, I wouldn't expect it to be handled fully by running only one main intention.

I ran maybe a dozen over the period of 4-5 days, and it culminated in revealing an identity I had not been aware of that has me being or existing as a "Hereness" or " being Here" . . . this I am currently still handling.

So, as a process for the average person dealing with the out-int issue, I'd recommend they be asked to articulate the intention they feel is in or behind their condition, and to then run repeat on it.

Two things will happen: a) the intention will come off automatic, and b) the guy will regain some control over his choice of position. But, of course, this is a monster with a lot of gradients.

Rog

 

[Dulloldfart]

So, as a process for the average person dealing with the out-int issue, I'd recommend they be asked to articulate the intention they feel is in or behind their condition, and to then run repeat on it.

Two things will happen: a) the intention will come off automatic, and b) the guy will regain some control over his choice of position. But, of course, this is a monster with a lot of gradients.

Thanks Rog. Very interesting. But what to do with it?

I can't incorporate it into the procedure as this Int module is the "standard" way of addressing Int problems, more or less, and running repeat on relevant intentions wouldn't fit in anywhere.

But I have included a note in there about your technique, with appropriate attribution, so anyone wanting to go it alone can do so, and at some future date I expect some module will include it.

Paul

 

[RogerB]

Thanks Rog. Very interesting. But what to do with it?

I can't incorporate it into the procedure as this Int module is the "standard" way of addressing Int problems, more or less, and running repeat on relevant intentions wouldn't fit in anywhere.

But I have included a note in there about your technique, with appropriate attribution, so anyone wanting to go it alone can do so, and at some future date I expect some module will include it.

Paul

You're welcome, Mate. Totally understand the scenario you're dealing with.

I offered my little bit in case it was of use to you, but also, mainly for others on this thread who might want to try the answer I found to work.

R

 

[Dulloldfart]

I offered my little bit in case it was of use to you, but also, mainly for others on this thread who might want to try the answer I found to work.

R

Great. Although I suspect there aren't too many people who just dive into session on the basis of, "Whee! This looks fun — let's try it out!" I do, and I guess you are willing to but are probably more disciplined about it than I am. I just approach this stuff from the certainty that I can fairly easily get out of anything touchy that I get into (it may not be totally accurate but so far it's all worked out OK).

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Anyway, back at the ranch (not necessarily a good idiom with Kn people!), does anyone know how Int by Dynamics is run in the CofS? . Please, please, pretty please?

Paul

 

[Thursday_At_2]

Mental Masturbation

Out-Int?

That dreaded phrase, one of Hubbard's curses he inflicted on his flock (inflockted?). Since it took a (rarely available) Grad V or Class VI auditor to "fix" it, it was often the kiss of death to staff members who wanted some auditing action but were denied it because "they were out-int."

I think almost all of the trouble was of the self-fulfilling-prophesy kind. Hubbard invented the problem, some internal enemy to hamstring people with that only his wonderful tech could vanquish. It seems to be on a parallel with the external enemies like the Marcabian Between-Lives Implanters and Xenu.

The "theory" of it, as Hubbard wrote, or at least Clearbird's statement of what Hubbard wrote, is here: http://www.freezoneearth.org/Clearbird/Clearbird2004/sub2/class4pro/10e_e_int1.htm. This is all about exteriorization and interiorization, a very shaky theoretical foundation anyway.

I think it is an invented problem, a "solution" that itself became a huge problem instead. But I have heard of people saying how they suffered from awful headaches their whole life, starting way before Scn, and then after an Int RD they never had a headache again. So it is not clearcut.

Any comments?

Paul

This is so mental masturbation! I was robbed of nearly a couple of thousand dollars to deal with this out-int bs. I had sinus headaches from the LA smog, that's really what it was. Who even knows what it's all about. It's jibberish. It's non-sense. It's over-thinking. It's mental masturbation. Half the time it is probably a headache from mental strain. It's also trying to treat a medical/health problem with Scientology.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Some might find this interesting with regard to the subject matter of this thread. This is a verbatim quote from Chapter 15 of Dr. Michael Newton's first book, Journey of Souls. A large chunk of this book is available for reading free of charge at Google Books. Remember that his published works present a distillation of the commonalities in his more than 7,000 research cases — it is not just one guy's ideas about how things are.

His commentary starts immediately after he has presented the abridged session conversation with a client:

The hollow tube effect described by my cases is apparently not the mother’s birth canal. It is similar to the tunnel souls pass through at physical death and may be the same route. The reader might wonder why I would take more care with the act of birthing when I have already brought my subjects in and out of a number of past lives during a session. There are two reasons. First, reliving a past life does not need to involve the birthing process. I help my clients go straight from the spirit world into the next life, usually as adults. Second, if I return subjects to their current body and decide to command them to relive the birthing experience, I want to remove any minor discomforts felt by some people after they wake up.

Before continuing with this case, I should offer a little more general information about souls and babies. All my subjects tell me the transition of their souls from the spirit world to the mind of a baby is relatively more rapid than the passage back. What is the reason for this difference? After physical death our souls travel through the time tunnel and move past a gateway into the spirit world in a progressive way. We have seen how the outward passage is intended to be more gradual than our return to Earth in order to allow for acclimatization of a newly freed soul. However, as souls who enter babies, we come from a state of all-knowing and thus are mentally able to adjust more quickly to our surroundings than at the end of a physical life. Then too, we are given additional time for adaptation while in our mother’s womb.

Nevertheless, having this time inside our mother does not mean we are fully prepared for the jarring paroxysm of birth, with blinding hospital lights, having to suddenly breathe air, and being physically handled for the first time. My subjects say if they were to compare the moment of birth with that of death, the physical shock of being born is much greater.

At some point prior to birth, the soul will carefully touch and join more fully with the impressionable, developing brain of a baby. When a soul decides to enter a baby, apparently that child has no free choice in accepting or rejecting the soul. At the moment of first entry, chronological time begins for the soul. Depending upon the inclinations of the particular soul involved, the connection may be early or late in the mother’s pregnancy. I have had cases where souls timed their arrival at the last minute during delivery, but this is unusual. My findings indicate even those souls who join the baby early seem to do a lot of traveling outside the mother’s womb during her term.

Once birth has taken place, the union of spirit and flesh has been fully solidified into a partnership. The immortal soul then becomes the seat of perception for the developing human ego. The soul brings a spiritual force which is the heritage of infinite consciousness. Although I have said souls can be confined by a human in trauma, they are never trapped. Besides leaving at the moment of death, souls may also come and go when the body is sleeping, in deep meditation, or under an anesthetic in surgery. The soul’s absences are much longer in cases of severe brain damage and coma.​

Paul

 

[degraded being]

Dr Newton's coolaid will help us to understand Dr Ron's coolaid.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[Veda]

A little comedic relief on the topic of the afterlife bureaucracy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj_inlzsDhQ

 

[WildKat]

Headaches, Scn and out int

When I took Scn seriously, I used to get fairly frequent migraine headaches, to the point of throwing up.

Upon leaving Scn, I very rarely get a minor headache, usually caused by dehydration and easily handled.

What does this have to do with Out Int? Probably nothing. I no longer believe in it, or a lot of the installed phobias that I learned when I was a True Believer.

I have seen that life can get very complicated with Scn, and life is much simpler now that I'm free of it.

I think a lot of people have left the cult and the organizational structure, but haven't let go of the mental chains that still bind them and complicate their thinking.

By the way, I used to have severe and chronic indigestion. This condition, too, cleared up nicely upon leaving.

Turns out, I couldn't stomach Scientology!

 

[TR'SIN]

. . . does anyone know how Int by Dynamics is run in the CofS? . Please, please, pretty please?

Paul

Sorry no first hand info - however, one of our outer Org trainees was stuck at Flag during the '80's doing INT by Dynamics as she called it. No info was passed down, never saw a reference. However, after YEARS of training to qualify as our first Class VIII auditor. She was processed on this type of Rundown and was able to graduate from Flag. But, not a Cl VII by the way.

She said it cracked her case (old OTVII) and all the etc. etc. When I tried to query her further she said it was still "Confidential".
ETC.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Sorry no first hand info - however, one of our outer Org trainees was stuck at Flag during the '80's doing INT by Dynamics as she called it.

It's a real rundown. There are completions listed for it in Source magazines. I've seen the Flag-only HCOB (I think it was an HCOB) at ITO. I guess all I have to do is consult my eidetic memory.

Now, where did I put it?

Failing all that, I'll just invent the obvious commands and say that is what I did. For example, instead of just assessing all the Int buttons generally, one could assess them all with respect to the hottest dynamic. Let's say that the hottest dynamic is the second, and the hottest button on that basis is "want to go in." After the next assessment, one might end up running, "With respect to the 2nd dynamic, recall a time you wanted to go into something," and so on, then reassess etc. etc.

After Int on that dynamic, I suppose one could go on to any other hot dynamics with regard to out-int.

Paul