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Paris critics savegely attacked by Scientologists

Discussion in 'Europe Pickets and Protests' started by Zhent, Mar 16, 2011.

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  1. intrepido34

    intrepido34 Patron



    Please do not put words in my mouth. In no moment I have supoported or aproved a gang attack. That is coward and it is not my way.

    I did and I do support a father who was insulted in front of his children while entering his church attacking ONE IN ONE the guy who insulted him


    A man fighting against a man is a fair fight, or as inevitable a lot of people chimming in here will say; ONE MAN FIGHTING AGAINST ONE MAN IS A FAIR GAME.

    It is.
     
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  2. Lamb

    Lamb Patron with Honors

    todavia comiendo mierda, intrepido:duh:
     
  3. intrepido34

    intrepido34 Patron

    No, aun no me he comido a tu madre.
     
  4. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    intrepido, there is nothing justifyable about a father losing it like that in front of those kids. Nothing. Just touching Nono is considered, by law, an assault. He had no right. He was not defending his children from physical harm or threat of harm. Nono ( Jeff) is not and never has been a violent man. I imagine the kids having nightmares over their father attacking a clown.
     
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  5. Lamb

    Lamb Patron with Honors

    poor intrepido...:p
     
  6. intrepido34

    intrepido34 Patron

    You are a very imaginative person. Kudos for that.
     
  7. Lamb

    Lamb Patron with Honors

    Intrepido, was there a time that was similar to this where you felt you had been degraded in front of children and did not have the opportunity to knock the crap out of that person? Please, let us know! We can give you a session and free you of your demons.:p
     
  8. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Sure. I imagined this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZC9D2NeTEM

    ps: Opinionated? hahaha! Boy, I must really push your buttons!

    Nono dose not wear a mask. He is not anonymous. He's a professional clown and he usually wears his clown outfit, but I have no info that he was wearing the outfit at the time of the assault except that the video in the OP shows him not wearing one, nor a mask while on the stretcher.

    He'd been attacked by the the same guy back in October and that is why he knew his name to give to the police.

    It's my understanding from the video Nono posted that, if and when the other attackers are identified, charges will be made against them.
    You would have known all that had you actually watched the videos in this thread and done some research on who nono/jeff is.
     
  9. intrepido34

    intrepido34 Patron

    Well, I will look some videos and will read more information as it becomes available.

    As I indicated, my opinions and decisions are made from available information, and the one at the time was the initial post.

    As information develops, if it turns out I was in the wrong, and it was a unjustified attack (even as you said that there is no such thing as a justified attack, which I do difer) then I am man enough to change my mind and change my opinion and say so.

    I do not need to be right and do not fear to be wrong.

    If it turns that way, I will be the first one to say so.

    As information becomes more available, we will see.

    Thank you for adressing my question.

    So you were trying to push my buttons? It is not that part of those terrible hipnotic evil exercises know as TRs? I would had thought you were beyond that!
     
  10. Truth&Honesty

    Truth&Honesty Patron with Honors

    Intrepido's explosive temper

    .

    Intrepido,



    You obviously have an "explosive temper" that has never been reined in.


    The fact that children were present, is just your convenient "excuse" for advocating a brutal and violent solution......to what most people would consider was a minor problem. Fortunately our laws and citizens recognize the simple fact, that assault & battery on another human being is a crime. It is never justified except in cases of self defense.


    You should consider taking an "Anger Management Class" - before you end up in jail for beating the crap out of someone, for saying something you disagreed with.



    T&H

    .
     
  11. Miss Pert

    Miss Pert Silver Meritorious Patron

    Taken from post on page 3 of this thread -

    Psychopaths and Freedom

    Or on the Church of Scientology's right to beat up its critics

    by admin on anomymes-france.eu
    March 17, 2011

    <snip>
    This proud member of the Church of Scientology went furious as he was walking toward the org with his two children. Nono and Vicious were peacefully protesting in front of the org and they began using the slogan "No to children in cults!"




    Originally posted by Intrepido on page 11 of this thread -

    If somebody in a mask comes to me screaming "no children in cults!" while I am entering the church of my choice, I could very easily construct said action as a DIRECT THREAT to my children. You perfectly know that there is too many perverts in this world.



    You need to practise what you preach, you don't know that the protesters were "screaming." Chanting something in a loud voice is not "screaming" and is not a threatening action. Screaming implies aggression and possible threat, or even irrational behaviour. There is no mention above, in blue, of anybody "screaming," they were just "using the slogan." Nobody, but those present, know if there was screaming involved or not and therefore we do not know if there was any threat intended. With the information available to us at present it would appear we have a cult member irrationally overreacting and attacking a man who was voicing his viewpoint peacefully, as is his right.
     
  12. intrepido34

    intrepido34 Patron



    You present very valid points and I do agree with you.

    Please note I said " if ".

    Also note I said that he could POSSIBLY and etc.

    Glad you can see how available information is what we got.
     
  13. intrepido34

    intrepido34 Patron


    I do apreciate your concern.

    I also object to the part I marked in bold.

    You are creating a sweeping generalization.

    I do not attack somebody just because I disagree with him.

    There is however a few VERY specific cases in which I could see myself doing it.

    There is not very many, but they exist.

    To use the argument of unlimited "freedom of speech" is naive.

    You can not scream "fire" in theather.

    You can not wear a printed shirt voicing support for al-quaida"

    And etc.

    There is many cases that you can imagine.

    This case made my blood boil inmediately.

    The idea of somebody arrogantly coming to a father entering his church (and remember that whatever you ideas of the cult can be, for him it is his church) that is with his children and arrogantly 'chanting" NO TO CHILDREN IN CULTS...

    As in; we know better than you what is better for your children (and as some here in this thread have implied that he is a "bad parent" or a "child abuser" for bringing his children "to a know cult"..

    Well.

    I can see myself losing it if that were made to me.

    This is the truth.

    I rather be here holding an unpopular position than lying to myself to be in agreement with everybody here.
     
  14. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster Guest

    Intrepedo34:

    Just a couple of questions for you:

    (1) are you an eyewitness to the attack and the events preceding it?

    (2) do you have video documentation showing that the events occurred differently than reported by the victim?

    (3) if the answer to the above two questions is "no", then you are plainly talking out your ass - whether you reached your conclusions on your own or were fed a load of horseshit at some OSA briefing:

    (4) or perhaps you are one of the participant attackers trying desperately to justify your involvement in a four (4) man beating administered to an non-violent and unarmed man in a clown suit?
     
  15. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Or, (5) Is he the Father of children raised in a cult?
     
  16. anonkatie

    anonkatie Patron with Honors

    I have met Intrepido; he actually protested in NY a couple of times in 2008.

    Intrepido is not OSA or in, at least as far as I know.

    Intrepido is a bit of an example of how the CoS can screw with someone's mind.

    I'd quite frankly rather be talking about Nono and wishing him well.
     
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  17. Kerry

    Kerry Patron with Honors

    It seems to me that in the cultural context of a certain class of latin American males, it is still a matter of male pride to be addressed with respect (latin American version of it) and certainly not with disdain (again, latin American version/interpretation of that), when alluding to his children (as he sees it) in public. In other words, it is a macho, chauvinistic, knee jerk-reaction to a perceived personal insult. An injury to his self-concept. Nothing much to do with Scientology, (necessarily), except that Scientology couldn't give a hoot about violence to an SP.

    In this instance there was no actual insult to his children, the perceived insult was to himself, nothing to do with the children except that they were his and that they witnessed somebody taking issue with how his religion treats children, and, so, following the custom of his particular cultural context, he attacked Jeff, and clearly had no problem with the fact others joined in the melee against Jeff, to attack him some more. This must be the way men behave in his culture.

    Would this be the same if the person walking into the cult org with children had been a woman? Would she suddenly rush Jeff and start beating up on him for the same reason? Or would that fall outside of acceptable behaviors of latin American women?



    Get well, Jeff. You are a major hero in the fight against Scientology. Kudos to You, brother!
     
  18. Freeminds

    Freeminds Bitter defrocked apostate

    Originally posted on WWP (anonymously) and very apposite:
    Honestly... what is there left of Dianetics & Scientology, when it has become so degraded? :confused2:
     
  19. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    The assault probably had little to do with the children. That is probably going to be the "justification" used in defense of it but considering the sequence of events it is quite obvious, at least to me, that the father was NOT thinking of his children at the time.
     
  20. intrepido34

    intrepido34 Patron

    You are right. Once the boil of emotions is pass it is time to adress the welfare of the persons involved.