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Part 2 -How many people went Type III (ie. had a Psychotic Break) in your org?

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Karen#1, Jan 9, 2016.

  1. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I was just watching Episode 24 of 'Life After Scientology', with Ron Miscavige interviewing Karen de la Carriere ( on Sept 9th, 2018). Karen, who trained under LRH and became a Class XII auditor had this to say about OT VIII (go to 51:17 of video):

    "I personally know of 14 people that had full blown mental breakdowns (known in our lingo - Type III). Full blown mental breakdown - institutional level, after doing OT VIII"

  2. KitchenWitch

    KitchenWitch New Member

    One public at my org killed herself. :( I remember that in the months leading up to it, her complaints were seen as a total "flap" that needed to be covered up by HCO -- every time I heard it mentioned, it wasn't, "How can we help her?" it was, "How can we distance ourselves from her, and 'handle' her and convince her to walk back her statements?" There was such a lack of empathy, even in the wake of her death, when the biggest goal was to prevent her family from making a big memorial for her, so that her death would pass by as quietly as possible. Initially I could hardly stand it, especially because she had been on services for a very long time, and was higher up the Bridge than I was (wasn't she therefore inherently saner, I thought?). I knew her and we'd always been very friendly when we ran into each other, having our lunches together, getting coffee together, that sort of thing.

    Recently I learned that she had been dropping abundant hints that she was going to kill herself -- but no one sought help for her (real help, not just reporting her to Ethics lines -- UGH). I wonder if things really still would have gone the way they did if people had chosen to help rather than disconnect. I wish I'd known about her troubles, but I wonder what I really would have done when I was in the midst of the brainwashing -- I probably would have been too afraid of HCO myself to have gotten involved.

    So tragic.
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  3. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    It can be administered by injection but oral is usual

    Horrible drug; "a lobotomy in a bottle"

    FCDC grew to Saint Hill size in '72-'74. Overflowing Academy and HGC scheduling up to fifty paid 12 1/2 intensives on a weekend.

    There were some mildly flaky people on staff and my first public PC was one bonafide off the wall whacked out nut



    Nobody went nuts in the nearly two years I was there
  4. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    I think I was dosed with Thorazine by the cult....

    Sometime around Summer of 2000.

    It felt like I was trying to walk through mud.....

    Incredible hammer down on my mind....
  5. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    Very wacky things do appear to happen in CoS

    This is antithetical to the proper conduct of auditing as are the majority of things of which people complain
  6. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Yes, really.
  7. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Yea, I had a lot of really crazy stuff between the Cult and Cult persons and myself happen right before I left for good.

    This coincided with my being requested to pay for an Emeter Course GAT 1 style.......even though I was on Level O of the SHSBC.

    (the Emeter Course is basically on the SHSBC and is one of the Levels one does.)

    This also coincided with a small inheritance I received from my Father's Estate as he had passed away of $30,000....which I refused to give any monies from to the Cult.
  8. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    O my, my!

    Refused to give $$$$ to The Only People With THE Answers to TRILLIONS of Years of Psychiatric Implants?

    Oh! Ooooh!

    How could you possibly do such a degraded thing?

    Taking a crowbar to disconnect my tongue from my cheek...

    I do tend to doubt you dosed with thorazine. Did you suffer muscle spasms? These usually occur unless cogentin is also administered.

    What you briefly describe is a common psychological response to brutal overbearing horsecrap such as was laid on you

    Things were generally much better when I was in but even then I harbored such reservations I could not honestly promote the study.
  9. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    I was drugged with something. For sure.
  10. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Phenomanon knows all about PC''s and Thorazine, why don't you ask her?
  11. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Not something I dwell upon. Just posting about it, due to current thread....and time gone by.
  12. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Sounds like perhaps barbituates.

    But although someone in CoS would be a suspect so too would be an antiscilon.

    And as CoS is obviously infiltrated (and always has been) an antiscilon in CoS would be a suspect
  13. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    She had an experience. How wonderful it would be if she knew all about it. I gotta figure she knows a little of the tip of an iceberg
  14. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Thanks for the suggestions...but no, not a barbituate. I was familiar with ludes.

    And it didn't happen in an Org...

    Happened on the way to work for a Company owned by a several OT 8s....
  15. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    Would you tell us a little bit about a company run by a bunch of OTVIII's?

    Without violating confidences of former friends and colleagues of course
  16. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    Ahh, Clay Pigeon,

    I really don't want to get into it.

    Maybe some other time.
  17. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    Don't know why my last post struck your funny bone Leland but I myself have "Stories From Inside" which I just won't tell for reasons over common honor
  18. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron


    I guess the thought of the company made you chuckle
  19. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    The laughter was for your beginning: Ooooo

    Like I want to hear this juicy gossip.

    No big deal. Just thought it was funny.
  20. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm not into gossip but I would like to know if a bunch of OTVIII's were producing a valuable product for a sensible price.

    Which, if so, would surprise me.