Patty Pieniadz's Story

Emma

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From ars March 2006

My name is Patty Pieniadz, I am an Ex-Scientologist and I've been an
on and off lurker on a.r.s. for a couple of years.

After reading what OSA has been doing to Chuck Beatty and witnessing
his strength and courage, I have decided to delurk and tell my
stories.

This post is my "short story". I have written up more of my stories
in Scn and will post them soon.

I became involved with Scn in 1973 at the Narconon program in New
London, Connecticut. I was 18 years old at the time. I had been
accepted to the University of Connecticut but I dropped out and joined
the VISTA volunteers, which was a sort of a Peace Corps program for
the impoverished areas of the US.

I became a heavy drug user and came to a point in my life where I
realized I had to handle my drug problem. That decision led me to
Narconon and then directly to Scientology.

At that time (1973) NN didn't hide the Scn connection. It was quite
open and the Narconon Course packs were the actual HCOB's and PL's and
not the glossy Narconon packs that you see today. The Narconon
Objectives Course was called the HQS Course or the Hubbard Qualified
Scientologist Course when I joined up in 1973.

After a few years I became the ED of Narconon Connecticut (NN CT) and
then was recruited into the Boston Guardians Office (GO) in 1979. I
held the post of Dir of Rehab, Social Coordination Boston, and ran the
Narconons, Applied Scholastics and Schools (Apple and then Delphi) in
the New England area.

I left the GO in 1981 to have a family. I did not want to raise
children while on Church staff and year or so after I left the GO it
was disbanded for being a "suppressive group".

I stayed off lines for several years but then eventually found my way
back and was recruited as an "OSA volunteer". At first I did overt
data collection for OSA Boston and then after a while I was involved
in more "covert" activities such as infiltrating a "squirrel group",
stealing trash and other OSA "ops". I did this kind of volunteer OSA
work for approximately 14 years on and off and will be writing more
detailed accounts of my activities as an OSA volunteer.

It's nothing I am proud of, it's just information that I think should
be made known.

I don't remember what it was that got me interested in reading
critical sites but one day I just jumped in and started reading. After
a while I came to realize that current C of S was not the same C of S
that I joined in 1973. I decided that I would no longer support the C
of S and slowly drifted away.

In Sept, 2003, Maureen O'Keefe, a woman that I recruited into Scn and
one of my closest friends showed up at my home unannounced and
uninvited. Maureen was the Invest Dir for OSA Boston and she brought
along a woman named Kathy True, from OSA Int. They arrived on a
Saturday night around 9:00.

When they arrived I had already fallen asleep on the couch while
watching TV and so their knocking at my front door startled me. I
invited them in, after all Maureen was a good friend and her mother
lives only a few towns away from me so it sort of made sense that she
might drop in to see me, but it was strange that she hadn't called
first.

It didn't take long for me to find out that it was not a friendly
uninvited drop by. They were there on official business and accused
me of sending out OT III data from my yahoo account to a Scn mailing
list.

I told them no way, this was not possible, and that I would never do
such a thing. I was told that if they could just have access to my
computer they could clear this entire matter up. I realized they
expected me to just let them have access with no questions because if
you are a good Scientologist, and you were innocent of any "crimes"
you would not hesitate to do what OSA wanted you to do.

My computer was located in my bedroom and at that moment my husband
was asleep in bed and there was no way I was going to have them go in
there and start looking around and disturbing my husband. I don't
know about you, but I don't like people in my bedroom. And I knew my
husband wouldn't appreciate it.

Kathy True told me that they had a computer expert look at the email
and he concluded that the OT III information definitely was sent from
my account. Of course they brought no proof of this.

I told them someone must of hacked into my account and done this and
that I would close the account and inform hotmail of what was going
on.

I refused them access to my computer not only because it would have
disturbed my husband, but also because this whole caper stunk and I
knew they were lying but I couldn't figure out why. I had worked for
OSA long enough to know that they were running some kind of crazy con
on me and I was a bit upset that they were not forthcoming with the
real reason why they were there. Maureen O'Keefe knew me and knew I
would never mail out OT III data but she sat there and lied to my
face. It scared the hell out of me that a woman that I loved and
trusted for so many years would do this to a friend.

Maureen O'Keefe, the woman I recruited into Scn, the godmother to my
son, the woman that was a bridesmaid in my wedding, this same woman
who called herself my friend was in my home and lying to me and
running some kind of OSA op on me. Why?

Finally I told them I was tired and they got me to agree that they
could discuss this further with me on the next day.

Maureen and Kathy showed up the next day but ran into the problem of
it being Sunday and the only thing that happens on a Sunday afternoon
in the fall/winter in the Pieniadz house is eating, drinking and
watching football and/or watching UConn basketball. I forgot that I
had invited friends over to watch with us and so Maureen and Kathy
walked in on a little football party and seemed none to pleased.

Maureen and Kathy wanted to talk to me privately but I explained to
them that I told my friends about the problem of my hotmail account
being hacked into and that confidential data sent out from it and so
they could freely discuss the matter with my friends (Wogs) in the
room.

Maureen proceeded tell me that the problem was all solved! All I had
to do was give them my computer and then they would put in a PO
(purchase order) for me to have a brand new computer. These two girls
must have thought I just fell off the turnip truck. I am going to
give them my brand new computer and THEN they will get a PO approved?
Right, sure! The chances of them getting a PO approved for a brand
new computer for someone they suspect is sending out OT III materials
is about triple zero. None, nada, no way, forget about it.

I told them NO WAY it wasn't going to happen and they both were a bit
miffed at my refusal to their brilliant idea. I invited them to stay,
have lunch and watch the football game but they declined.

I noticed a few months later that I stopped getting Scn magazines and
Scn junk mail, and thought it was weird but figured they were mad a me
and this was how they were letting me know.

Nine months later I got my official SP declare in the mail and just
for good measure they declared my husband as well. I'll get it posted
as soon as I figure out how.

I have to say I was rather ambivalent when I got that declare. I was
sort of curious as to what it was all about but I had no interest in
querying it or getting copies of these KR's that were never sent to me
and that might explain what exactly my "crimes" were.

It proved my point that my friend Maureen was lying to me because the
declare said nothing about sending out OT III data but instead accused
me of passing on information to critics.

I was actually relieved when I received that declare because I would
never have to answer up or explain why I wasn't following one of the
many Scn's rules of life. I was free to pursue whatever interests I
wanted to and was no longer restricted in looking and learning in
life. I was free of them and was happy that I would not have to deal
with them ever again.

Then a few days before Christmas 2004, Maureen O'Keefe showed up at my
work. Yes, I work in donut shop!

I am an OT III that works in a donut shop. I spent all of my adult
life in Scn and after 30 years of being with them the only skill I had
was being a Scio and working in a Scio company. The only thing
available to me was minimum wage because I had no real prior
experience in anything else.

So I took the job of working in the donut shop with my mom and we have
lots of fun. That photo of on the Scn website (Religious Freedom
Watch) was taken on what is known as "wacky Wednesday". That was a
day that we had a great time and everyone at work dressed up kind of
wacky. So of course, in true Scn style, one of Scn's PI's or
"volunteers" came to my work that day and took the picture. Scn has a
very perverted sense of "fun". Only they would use something theta
like a bunch of women having fun and dressing up funny, and using it
to belittle that person.

But just recently the local paper did a feature article on me and mom.
I'll also post that article as soon as I figure how to do that.

I think OSA thought that it might embarrass me to work in a place like
that but it doesn't. I love that job and have a great deal of fun
there. I know hundreds of people from working there. I can't go
anywhere in town without seeing 4 or 5 people I know and we say hi or
stop and chat. It was never like that when I was in Scn. I work with
wogs now and we all get along and we even do things together outside
of work. I don't have to worry about stats or conditions or fake
status levels.

Maureen O'Keefe showing up at work right before Christmas kind of
surprised me. I was curious as to why she was there and realized she
must have gotten some sort of special OK to speak with me now that I
was a declared SP.

Maureen took me out to lunch (Dutch treat, of course) and we chit
chatted about friends and family and then Maureen asked me why I
thought she was there. I told her I thought that she must be here
because she cared about me and want to talk me into doing my A to E.

She was seemed a bit surprised by my answer and said, "well actually,
no, that would be nice, but I am here to tell you that we know you are
posting to the internet as Cerridwen and that we can't have you do
that". She did not wait for a reply but instead just started what
appeared to be a scripted talk about how she knows that I might have
disagreements but she knows that I loved Scn as much as she does and
she can't understand why I am doing this and if I continued posting to
ars that she would be forced to apply the PL on handling critics.

We talked for about 2 and a half hours and when I asked what proof she
had to say that I was posting, she said that it was done through a
process of elimination, whatever that means.

I didn't bring in up at the time but it occurred to me that Cerridwen
posts reports on the C of S events and I haven't been to an event in
years and OSA knows that because they keep lists of who attends.

Maureen was trying to "pull strings" to find out when and why I became
disaffected. She said something about having spent a lot of time with
my folders and putting together a time track of me but she still just
couldn't figure it out.

Well of course she couldn't figure it out. Maureen O'Keefe is a very
indoctrinated Scientologists and couldn't figure her way out of a
paper bag without Hubbard telling her how.

It finally came down to Maureen saying. "If you don't stop posting,
we will apply the policy on handling critics". I told her if she did
apply those policies against me I would forgive her.

A few days after our lunch together, Maureen called my house and left a
message for my husband Bobby. Bobby has no interest in talking with
Maureen or any one from the Church as he had already left the Church
years before me.

We had a family conference with my son Derek and decided that we would
just write a letter of disconnection to Maureen and the C of S and
tell her to just leave us alone. The day after I sent the letter of
disconnection, they put up a webpage about me on Religious Freedom
Watch.

I currently suffer from several autoimmune diseases that I am working
hard on getting under control and getting myself healthier. I finally
started doing something about these diseases once I left the church
and rid myself of my agreement with Scn's viewpoint on the medical
profession and that all illness stems only from ptsness and spiritual
problems. I finally got rid of the false information that I truly
believed in . That false information assisted in me neglecting my
health for a very long time thinking Scn tech (the OT levels) would
handle it.

And as far as all my "finance crimes" -- I swear I was just following
LRH finance policy!;)

I figure any critic with one of those disgusting pages already knows
that they are filled with half truths and lies. I'm not going to even
bother to explain the real truth behind them. I don't really care what
they say about me. They are only words and lying words at that. They
have no power over me any more.

I have a lot more to report on and give my permission for this and my
other stories to be webbed by critics of Scientology.
Patty Pieniadz
 
Thanks for posting this, Emma. I've seen this before, of course, but I'd just like to say that I admire Patty for putting this out there. She's brave and stout of heart for doing so, even though she gets a lot of flack for it to this day, and mostly from other critics, which is a bummer, because she already gets enough shit, especially since she's listed on the RFW pages.

I read about her sister, and I'll add here that I spent 11.5 years in the medical transport biz, taking cancer patients to the Cancer Clinic for treatments for what she has. It certainly wasn't pretty. She's gonna need all of her strength and the well wishes of others to get through what's going to come. I wish there was an easier way to say that, but there isn't. She has my warmest regards. Anything else I could write on the issue would sound trite and plastic, so I'll leave it there.. It really does make one tounge tied though.
 

jodie

Patron with Honors
Thanks for reposting this, Emma. It is still one of the best, most coherent, no bull s**t stories to come out. I think the world of Patty, for being down to earth, who she is, and telling her story like it is without any drama or ego. There are many other good stories as well - Chuck Beatty, Dan Garvin, and so on - many many stories coming out. I also really appreciated Sky's story - oh, and many others too!

But I have a special regard for Patty - for keeping her level-headedness despite enormous c**p from some so-called "critics", who should be supporting her, rather than attacking her for having the courage to hold her own views.

So because she did not seek it, I would give her a special award. I regard her story as THE coming out story of - er, 2005? 2006? In any case, whichever year she came out. It is stories like hers that are the most powerful in helping people who are in the CoS and miserable, to make that "click", and break free.

Thanks Patty - THREE CHEERS FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

- jodie
 

chuckbeatty

Patron with Honors
PATTY

I agree.

The last two summers Patty's held "SP conferences" at her home on the east coast, and it is quite something to meet real "SPs" and find out that they have NO idea of how to act like real "SPs."

The Religious Freedom Watch people who include Patty, they just cannot measure up to LRH's definitions of anti-social personalities, instead they are just normal likable people.

And Patty is exceptionally likable, her declared SP husband too, and I haven't met an unlikable "SP" yet.

Patty's just one of the nicest, and her posts, before she outed herself, to me, were very pivotal in getting me confidence to keep just moving along and "healing" from the false fears that frankly LRH's ideas instill in a person, if you take LRH literally.

The whole "SP" label, believe me, it acts like a switch in the minds of truly faithful who have done the PTS/SP course, and really drilled in all the anti-social person characteristics, etc.

"SP" is demonization, witch-hunting, and convenient to keeping faithful on one side and NOT questioning LRH nor his tech.

The SP/PTS tech is just overblown.

If anyone wants to see LRH talking sanely, in my opinion, about SPs, re-listen to the About Rhodesia tape lecture, where LRH, when he returned from Rhodesia and gave a lecture at Saint Hill, LRH clearly states that there've been NO SPs at Saint Hill nor in Scientology in years past, not REAL SPs, and he urges the undoing of the SP declares done that he heard about when he returned.

He reversed himself in 1967, but in 1966, in that tape lecture, I think LRH somewhat had it right about the fewness and far-betweenness of real SPs.

But ever since later, 1967 onwards, heavy ethics, etc, SP witch-hunting and mislabeling has just backfired without repair ever since, back at Scientology.

Patty and the rest of the Religious Freedom Watch "enemies" of mankind, that I met as Patty's "SP east coast parties", the last two years, are normal likable, and in the respect of speaking out publicly without fear (or nominal fear), these people I met are all exceptional people!
 

jodie

Patron with Honors
I agree.

The last two summers Patty's held "SP conferences" at her home on the east coast, and it is quite something to meet real "SPs" and find out that they have NO idea of how to act like real "SPs."

The Religious Freedom Watch people who include Patty, they just cannot measure up to LRH's definitions of anti-social personalities, instead they are just normal likable people.

And Patty is exceptionally likable, her declared SP husband too, and I haven't met an unlikable "SP" yet.

Patty's just one of the nicest, and her posts, before she outed herself, to me, were very pivotal in getting me confidence to keep just moving along and "healing" from the false fears that frankly LRH's ideas instill in a person, if you take LRH literally.

The whole "SP" label, believe me, it acts like a switch in the minds of truly faithful who have done the PTS/SP course, and really drilled in all the anti-social person characteristics, etc.

"SP" is demonization, witch-hunting, and convenient to keeping faithful on one side and NOT questioning LRH nor his tech.

Amen to that. SP Tek is simply phobia induction by the cult.

It would be interesting to see some statictics on how many people have been declared SP, against membership numbers of Scientologists, past and present. Betcha the stat would not reflect the 2%, proportionately. It is probably much higher - I am thinking a third, even. If not more. All I know is that hundreds and hundreds of people have been declared.

The PTS/SP tek is simply a way of eliminating free-thinking, decent people who do not follow the party line. Pretty much the same modus operandi as Mao and his cultural revolution. Scientology is actually very Marxist.

- jodie
 

Romuva

Patron Meritorious
The PTS/SP tek is simply a way of eliminating free-thinking, decent people who do not follow the party line. Pretty much the same modus operandi as Mao and his cultural revolution. Scientology is actually very Marxist.


If a COS scientology world ever came to be ,that's what it would become.

Ladas joking ,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporozhets.....old 50's type architecture,lack of communication and trust.People in jobs where there was no incentive.Cut off from ideas and innovation.No where to go and a world where you had to keep your mouth shut
about certain things.

former soviet countries are having serious problems but allowing western
ideas and information in has been working on alot of levels.

thinking,innovation,objectivity among others.

alot of Scientology is dogma like Communism.

Freezone and independent Dianetics and scientology might be different.All depends
 
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Romuva

Patron Meritorious
Hey,communists always promised a job ,clothes ,food ,a certain amount
of education,healthcare,pensions,housing.

tell a poor farmer his kids can now get an education and become a scientist,doctor or
engineer.or maybe a farmer could become a factory worker ,collective farmer or
technician for the state.sounds pretty good from what you had before.At least,it
was presented that way.

didn't quite always work out that way.....quite


Dennis ,it's a floorwax:)
 
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OHTEEATE

Silver Meritorious Patron
Office of Special Affairs

OSA can be very helpful when they believe it is a good strategy to be helpful. When my wife and I left the SO at Flag in 2005, a woman named Mariah did a fair bit of running around to retrieve my wifes' meter from the AO, and get my cell phone back from security. She also arranged a refund for a Congress Package that had been shipped "in error" to a mission as a "donation". At the time, we were mid declare process, and had not really read enough Internet to realize what we had escaped from. I had a good talk with Kathy True, who is also a Class IX auditor, and she was very straight with me. She wanted to "handle" my wifes' upsets so she didn't sue the CofS. My take on OSA is they frequently check on SO members to see if they are doing ok, to catch disaffection early if possible. After the barn door is left open and the cows are long gone it is much more difficult. We still have not recieved our declare. I guess it's too out PR for OT 8 and 7 ex-SO members to be cogniting what a scam they were involved in. Noisy buggers, too. Mike Henderson
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Hmmmmph! I don't appreciate this "live-agenting" of SPs.

I worked long and hard to get my title.

I had to associate with all sorts of bad folks to get my Religious Freedom Watch "enemies" of mankind listing.

Why? What will happen when I address an audience with: "I am a defrocked Minister from a vile cult," if you make as out to be fine people?

Do you want us designated "boogie-persons" identities to lose our power?

Shame on you! :(

Alan
 
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Takin Time

Patron with Honors
Yeah, OSA can be very helpful, all right. On 9/26/03 Kathy True of OSA called me to tell me to remove Patty Pieniadz from my email list (a networking list of Scnists) because "this person has SP connections and should be removed immediately and not allowed to return."

Yup. Very helpful. ...NOT!...
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Yeah, OSA can be very helpful, all right. On 9/26/03 Kathy True of OSA called me to tell me to remove Patty Pieniadz from my email list (a networking list of Scnists) because "this person has SP connections and should be removed immediately and not allowed to return."

Yup. Very helpful. ...NOT!...

Sounds like you might as well start using your real name :)

Hi there! I'm Joe Lynn

Zinj
 

Takin Time

Patron with Honors
Hi Joe,

Pleased to meet you. It's surely no problem and not hard for people to find out who I am; I'm not trying to hide. But I don't want to plaster my real name all over the internet because it will ruin the search engine standings to where I WANT them to point. I don't care if OSA finds out who I am or not... or anyone else for that matter. I'm just being smart with my google searches. I don't want 10-gizzillion entries for [my name] to come up as ex-scientologist stuff and only 1 pathetic little entry (100 levels down in the standings) for what really matters.
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Hi Joe,

Pleased to meet you. It's surely no problem and not hard for people to find out who I am; I'm not trying to hide. But I don't want to plaster my real name all over the internet because it will ruin the search engine standings to where I WANT them to point. I don't care if OSA finds out who I am or not... or anyone else for that matter. I'm just being smart with my google searches. I don't want 10-gizzillion entries for [my name] to come up as ex-scientologist stuff and only 1 pathetic little entry (100 levels down in the standings) for what really matters.

Good (and sane) enough ;) I have an advantage that Joe Lynn Turner gets more hits than me :)

If you do find Randy, let him know that there are 'other' people (not me; I never met him) who would love to talk to him.

Zinj
 

CornPie

Patron Meritorious
Patty Pieniadz addressed "Boston Skeptics in the Pub" on May 6, 2008

Patty Pieniadz addressed "Boston Skeptics in the Pub" on May 6, 2008 in this video hosted by Google. Here's a rough breakdown of the video. The VIDEO IS BELOW.

0:00 to 3:14 -- Beginning of video, introduction, worth watching.
3:15 to 8:10 -- This 5 minute section has bad audio, of a video you've probably already seen.
8:10 -- How she got involved in scn.
10:00 -- Scn lies and tells you what you want to hear.
14:15 -- Front groups named.
15:30 -- She was recruited by the guardians office (go).
16:00 -- She discusses Narcanon, then Paulette Cooper author of "The Scandal of Scn".
17:00 -- They took her stationary with her fingerprints.
17:10 -- Anybody who criticizes scn is fair gamed by scn, they think they're justified.
17:50 -- Scn has a confidential course on covert ops, which has been on the Internet lately.
18:50 -- About Operation Snow White.
20:00 -- Guardians Office (GO) disbanded, Office of Special Affairs (OSA) starts.
21:10 -- Intelligence gathering, they start a file on you, "overt" data collection,
22:07 -- Covert collection, they want to learn who you're connected to.
22:25 -- The purpose is to silence you, they want to shut you up, once they do that, they will back off.
22:58 -- Her "friend" approached her, said to stop it or "per policy" they were going to take action.
24:20 -- OSA silences a lot of people.
24:55 -- Patty was recruited to work in the Investigations Dept of OSA, her job was to infiltrate groups that scn isn't involved in.
25:30 -- They use private investigators (PI's) for blackmail, bribery to silence critics, PI's find dirt on people.
26:10 -- She was involved in stealing trash, a two man job, to silence people. She worked on the Steve Hasan and Bob Minton cases, to find dirt on them, covered him 24x7, he now works for them. Patty and Mary ??? would go out at 3am to spy on Steve and Bob.
28:20 -- Patty and Mary would swap trash, they looked for bills, credit cards, doctors, who's sending him mail, try to find out anything to be used against them.
28:50 -- They want to find out who you know, so if you don't shut up, they'll harass you, your family and friends, so they can get you to shut up.
29:10 -- The Anonymous group wears masks because they're afraid they'll be harassed by scn.
30:35 -- About CCHR.
1:03:20 -- In the year 2000 OSA contacted Patty, to get in touch with Bob Minton and Lisa McPhearson trust. Patty got on the web, started calling them to tie up the phone lines.
1:11:30 -- Patty says they use your Overt and Withholds (O/Ws) against you when you leave, confessional folders. Pretty soon you have to decide if it's more important to get on in life, than to take down the church.
1:21:30 -- OSA operates on a "need to know" basis.
1:39:30 -- They are "fair gaming" the voice of Anonymous in Boston. They go after you to get you to shut up.

Patty's talk was hosted by: www.BostonSkeptics.com
This video was produced by: www.WhyWeProtest.net

It's a very authoritative video, yet I wish; 1) crummy area/audio fr 3:15 to 8:10, 2) TC s/be gone fr cover.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...CzOkSaeJG4zuqAOUyeGPDQ&q=Patty+Pieniadz&hl=en
 
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