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Paulette Cooper

Discussion in 'Fair Game and Disconnection Victims' started by Emma, Jul 9, 2011.

  1. Udarnik

    Udarnik Gold Meritorious Patron

    I can't thank you enough for giving me the opportunity to have a conversation over dinner with her and Paul.
     
  2. you take a look at bill franks report at the end here...

    the interview is a material fact

    that l ron hubbard would want to know everything mary sue knew about snow white is an entirely sensible and normal thing

    ron's purposes in doing so are bill franks' opinion they are not material fact. these opinions are not admissable as testimony in court nor are they accepted at face value by intelligent just observers. they are however delicacies to those who are grinding axes to hack to pieces the virtue and value of ron's work

    franks does not present acceptable testimony to demonstrate a comm line between ron and the feds but i believe that comm line existed. the snow white episode is a very interesting my friend. the foaming at the mouth antironners scream out how it is more evidence of the unadulterated criminality of the whole shebang

    but i don't...

    operation snow white involved a bunch of americans infiltrating the government of the united states and, as a practical matter, this did involve the violation of some ordinances. however, as you may have been informed, the american people actually own the u.s. government

    not long after the snow white prosecution was completed a very substantial reform of some of the IRS's jackbooted practices occurred. there is no linkage evident between the former and the latter

    however those who understand how such things are engineered will almost uniformly presume it likely that snow white was the pivotal and critical event that led to the reform. and ron's comm lines into government would mais naturellement be part of this process

    ron always knew significant people in powerful positions. HOW THE FRUCK DO YOU THINK HE STAYED OUT OF COURT FROM 1952 UNTIL THE END OF HIS LIFE F'CRISSAKES??? elron had a respect he damn well earned in many places. he was a researcher doing groundbreaking work and many many men were quite willing to keep the hounds held on their leashes

    to be an intelligent reader you learn to separate material fact from opinion. beyond material fact bill franks' testimony proceeds from the hindquarters of a jackal
     
  3. ron could be a mean son-of-a-bitch when riled, no doubt about it

    there is no way i approve or condone operation pc freakout

    but...

    paulette did launch an assault on his life work; though it be unjust it was not unprovoked

    hubbard can be resoundingly criticised for the details but men are not condemned for acting in self-defense. the right to self-defense is an essential principle of liberty
     
  4. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP


    Operation Snow White involved a series of infiltrations and thefts from 136 government agencies, foreign embassies and consulates, as well as private organizations critical of Scientology, carried out by "Church" members, in more than 30 countries.

    WTF does the American people owning the U.S. government have to do with any of this. :confused2:

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    Care to provide some examples of the IRS reforms you presume resulted from the Snow White Incident?

    And some examples of individuals other than yourself who are in agreement on this point?

    I'm asking because I've never heard these opinions ever expressed until just now.



    Can you name any of these people he knew that helped keep him out of court? :unsure:




    :spitcoffee:
     
  5. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP


    If you keep reading a little bit further in the Gospel of Matthew you'll find this as well:


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    :hmm:
     
  6. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Many here may not know the extent of Rob Clarks efforts against COS.

    He stopped CO$ control over parts of the net and exposed their "link farms" attempting to broaden their web presence.

    http://icsahome.com/infoserv_respond/by_icsapub.asp?ID=37833

    He noted that CO$ members stopped Freezone posts and URLs.

    He changed the game! They got kicked out!
     
  7. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I've seen some recent speculation over at the Bunker that the CoS is now using Click Farms in order to fraudulently increase their ranking on Alexa, and maybe also for some other purposes.

    One thing raising suspicion was the amount of traffic on Scientology.Org coming from India, I believe it was between 14-15%.
     
  8. Boomima

    Boomima Patron with Honors

    Is Nancy Many telling the truth?
     
  9. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    Good lord BS that last paragraph is total BS. They infiltrated, they were stupid enough to get caught and they went to jail. They are felons. period.


    - Oh? When did this 'reform' take place and what, exactly was it? You see your statement doesn't actually have any value - because everything in the entire world except for the snow white prosecution happened either before the prosecution or after it - it doesn't mean that the entire world is connected to Snow White.

    Ron's comm lines into government? What on earth have you been smoking? Nibbling at the rastafarian herbal offerings? What "comm lines" Hubbard never had any - he was a fugitive from the government until he died a lonely broken old man living in a camper.

    and of course not one damned piece of anyting approaching proof - just meaningless waffle. Name some of them.

    seriously dude you need to take your own advice and stop with the endless prattle
     
  10. Infinite

    Infinite Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller

    FIFY

    No one is condemning L Ron Hubbard for acting in self defence. He is being condemned for his criminal activities, starting when he said he used Dianetics to cure war injuries. That was 1950, he was a criminal prior to that, and he continued being a criminal right up until the day he died.

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  11. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Here's a segment of the mid 1980s '60 Minutes' program with Heber Jentzsch and Earle Cooley. Heber (at 1:45 - 2:12) compares Paulette Cooper's little paperback book with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor, and compares Mike Wallace's criticism of what Scientology did to Paulette Cooper to someone criticizing the United States for militarily responding to the Japanese attack:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5Drk3eVQSg&feature=related


    An earlier video on this thread features CofS Scientologists condemning and dis-owning such actions, and also defending and justifying them.



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  12. yes pitsy...

    i know

    i've always held him under suspicion of being a false teacher. i'm among those who look at his work and wonder if might even be the false prophet making the preparation for the antichrist. and still i studied his work and found tools that make it possible to act effectively to love my neighbor in practical fashion
     
  13. i do have a much higher opinion of nancy than of bill
     
  14. i ain't got much computer time mick but, one thing about snow white is that they were astonishingly deft in the operation and were only caught because mike meissner turned state's evidence...
     
  15. heber could be a bit off-the-wall...
     
  16. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    That you hold him under suspicion in this way and yet still promote him on ESMB I find curious.

    What if you're suspicions turn out to be the truth. How would you feel then about having connected others up with this individual?

    Anyways, its certainly possible to love ones neighbor in a practical way without the need to utilize Hubbard's "tools".

    I bet that 99.99% of Christians would agree with me on this point. :yes:
     
  17. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Not long after plans for 'Op Freakout' were made (Op Freakout being the 1976 re-start of the almost successful 1972 op to destroy Paulette Cooper's life) Mike Meisner was caught. Oops.

    That put everything on hold for a while; and if it hadn't been for that "flub," Op Freakout would have been implemented and, if successful, Paulette Cooper would have been "incarcerated in a mental institution or jail," per LRH intention.

    If it had not been for Michael Meisner's "flub" we might never have heard from Paulette Cooper, as the plan to destroy her life might have succeeded, and she would never have been exonerated, as the FBI raids of July 1977 would not have occurred.
     
  18. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    You are hereby RPFed to the RPF's RPF for downgrading Ron's rank.
     
  19. Boomima

    Boomima Patron with Honors

    Not to be difficult but you did not answer me. Is Nancy Many telling the truth? Yes or No?
     
  20. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

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    absolutely.
     
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