Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Paul
I've posted some of this before and some is new. I got tired of trying to find my earlier posts on body thetans, scattered through various threads, and figured this way I could find my ideas on the subject again as they gradually evolve. It's also about my ideas on your "body thetans." I thought a thread title of "Paul's Evolving Views on Everyone's Supposed Body Thetans" would be less eye-catching and harder for me to remember.
In brief, and as far as I know, Hubbard's idea is that a body thetan is an entire spiritual being, more or less like thee or me, more or less able to run a meat body if set loose from his spiritual captivity through Hubbard's tech. These body thetans, either singly or in clusters, being in actual or potential intimate mental/spiritual contact with their host, can have an effect, small or large, on the individual. By getting rid of these undesirable beings (undesirable really in terms of their proximity and influence), one can become more oneself, as the sources for the alien thoughts and intentions are removed from one's space and area of influence, or rather area of being influenced. This cleansing activity is the main focus of OT3 and up through Solo NOTs. On OT3 the person is likely to get rid of hundreds of BTs, throughout NOTs and Solo NOTs thousands and thousands. Hubbard's ideas here.
As I've stated many times, although the theory that goes with along with Hubbard's OT2 and OT3 is preposterous, I believe most people who have completed those levels achieved benefits from following - closely or sloppily - the procedures,
Paul
Just some updated thoughts here after an interesting chat with a friend today.
It's a bit more exploration of the ideas that "body thetans" are in reality little globs of energy-consciousness from some other spiritual being. As well as various woo-woo possibilities, such a person might be a friend you had a big face-to-face argument with several years ago, and you ended up exchanging some globs of energy-consciousness while your electronic fields (auras) were overlapping (they interpenetrate, but also stick out a few feet from your body).
So you're in session and you spot the alienness of this glob. Whether you call it an alien glob or a body thetan doesn't matter too much. You run whatever process you want on it, which basically involves putting attention on it and investigating it, one way or another. Maybe at the end you include some version of Ken Ogger's "Spot (or 'point to') the being you [the alien glob] separated from." At the end of that little auditing cycle you perceive the disharmony to have dissipated or dissolved or blown or whatever. The point is it is no longer on your radar as something to be addressed. Done deal.
I've discussed this before, so this has really been a recap. But here is an extra thought. The disharmony might have disappeared, but does some part of the glob actually return to the current energy structure of the original being that was the source of it? It doesn't have to be a session at the OT3 or NOTs level — it could be a low-level session where the client is running an incident from another's viewpoint. This happens in any 21st century procedure that includes multiple-viewpoint running, like R3X or some of my Rub & Yawn videos and modules.
To tie it into a somewhat-familiar example, let's say Sally is being run on the Suppressed Person Rundown, and is being audited on problems processes to do with Uncle Jack. Could it be that little globs of Uncle Jack are returning to Uncle Jack's personal space with the disharmony involving Sally removed? Could it also be that little disharmonious globs of Sally are being detached from Uncle Jack's space and being assimilated back by Sally?
At some point, it is known that the EP of Uncle Jack no longer being so upset with Sally and communicating in a friendly manner(hopefully) occurs. It seems to me that for this to occur:
1. No great disharmony involving Sally will exist in Uncle Jack's immediate space (i.e., no bad energy globs with Sally-tags around him).
2. Something must happen for Uncle Jack to notice the change from having bad-Sally globs to having good-Sally globs, or at least the change from bad-Sally globs to no-Sally globs.
Paul
Or were they ever separated from the "original owner" to begin with?
Mark A. Baker
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On OT III you audit a super massive collective engram-grouper-denyer collision to the point that the being doing the solo seperates out from it.
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With all the convoluted twists and turns that are divulged in each successive "OT" level, I predict the ultimate truth divulged at the end of the dusty trail is that, in fact, A does equal A=A.One could consider them not to have been, but I don't see it as helpful to do so. It can be useful to think of everything as interpenetrating everything else (see the universe in a grain of sand etc.), but most of the time it gets into A=A=A.
Paul
Paul, I once had an OT 4, L12 friend tell me that his POV was that one can inadvertently refill one's BT quota by having sex with fucked up, BT laden partners as you will have a cleaner space that will draw them into your vacuum!? Any truth to this from your perspective, as in 2 vessels will find their equilibrium by being connected?Just some updated thoughts here after an interesting chat with a friend today.
It's a bit more exploration of the ideas that "body thetans" are in reality little globs of energy-consciousness from some other spiritual being. As well as various woo-woo possibilities, such a person might be a friend you had a big face-to-face argument with several years ago, and you ended up exchanging some globs of energy-consciousness while your electronic fields (auras) were overlapping (they interpenetrate, but also stick out a few feet from your body).
So you're in session and you spot the alienness of this glob. Whether you call it an alien glob or a body thetan doesn't matter too much. You run whatever process you want on it, which basically involves putting attention on it and investigating it, one way or another. Maybe at the end you include some version of Ken Ogger's "Spot (or 'point to') the being you [the alien glob] separated from." At the end of that little auditing cycle you perceive the disharmony to have dissipated or dissolved or blown or whatever. The point is it is no longer on your radar as something to be addressed. Done deal.
I've discussed this before, so this has really been a recap. But here is an extra thought. The disharmony might have disappeared, but does some part of the glob actually return to the current energy structure of the original being that was the source of it? It doesn't have to be a session at the OT3 or NOTs level — it could be a low-level session where the client is running an incident from another's viewpoint. This happens in any 21st century procedure that includes multiple-viewpoint running, like R3X or some of my Rub & Yawn videos and modules.
To tie it into a somewhat-familiar example, let's say Sally is being run on the Suppressed Person Rundown, and is being audited on problems processes to do with Uncle Jack. Could it be that little globs of Uncle Jack are returning to Uncle Jack's personal space with the disharmony involving Sally removed? Could it also be that little disharmonious globs of Sally are being detached from Uncle Jack's space and being assimilated back by Sally?
At some point, it is known that the EP of Uncle Jack no longer being so upset with Sally and communicating in a friendly manner (hopefully) occurs. It seems to me that for this to occur:
1. No great disharmony involving Sally will exist in Uncle Jack's immediate space (i.e., no bad energy globs with Sally-tags around him).
2. Something must happen for Uncle Jack to notice the change from having bad-Sally globs to having good-Sally globs, or at least the change from bad-Sally globs to no-Sally globs. In addition, there must be a pull, a vacuum, that is only satisfied by the flow of a friendly reach.
Paul
I've done that while watching TV and it made me feel like I'd just had an auditing session, this was about 8 years ago, right before I bought my 1st zapper to see if I could duplicate the phenomenon - I could and did. Of course this is just my opinion as there are those on the board that would demand a full report, notorized by accredited sources etc. I just don't have time to play their games. Try it yourself for your own subjective results.Hi Paul, I just read your OP for the first time and have a couple of questions.
You're right of course about the meter phenomena that occur in SOLO auditing. I did the OT levels too and witnessed the falls and F/Ns and all that.
My question is this: Has anyone ever had a meter hooked up to them for a whole day? Like during regular life activities, including sleep, working, bathroom activities, etc., watching TV?
Are there falls, BDs, F/Ns?
Does it have to mean anything? Could there possibly be NO SIGNIFICANCE AT ALL?
I learned (through the combination of endless e-meter drilling and solo auditing) that I could (and did) cause needle and meter reactions with my thoughts. Perhaps that's the ONLY significance.
Any info you have about what the needle might be doing when one is not "in session" would be useful.
Paul, I once had an OT 4, L12 friend tell me that his POV was that one can inadvertently refill one's BT quota by having sex with fucked up, BT laden partners as you will have a cleaner space that will draw them into your vacuum!? Any truth to this from your perspective, as in 2 vessels will find their equilibrium by being connected?
My question is this: Has anyone ever had a meter hooked up to them for a whole day? Like during regular life activities, including sleep, working, bathroom activities, etc., watching TV?
Are there falls, BDs, F/Ns?
Does it have to mean anything? Could there possibly be NO SIGNIFICANCE AT ALL?
I learned (through the combination of endless e-meter drilling and solo auditing) that I could (and did) cause needle and meter reactions with my thoughts. Perhaps that's the ONLY significance.
Any info you have about what the needle might be doing when one is not "in session" would be useful.
There is nothing in the world that has the capacity of eroding one’s sanity to anywhere near the same extent as in the belief in BT’s and the specter of incidents that could create their eternal dismal existence. Just to buy in to such a miserable phenomenon would result in a person losing faith in the entire universe as well as all of mankind. This could easily explain the suicidal tendencies of Scientologists after they hit the “upper levels”. Who wouldn’t find this to be the most depression inducing psychosis that one could ever be hit with? That everyone is demon possessed? That you could spend 4 quadrillion years glued to functional human beings anuses? There has never been such a story that has spawned the despair as upper level Scientology. I hate to admit, I still slip into my old thought processes where I still have some unresolved buy-ins to all of this rotten tripe. It is singularly the most damaging concept that one could ever be sold…. A volume could be written on the totality of despair these levels have caused in people who would otherwise be sane, sound and still alive…There are still people among us who sincerely believe in BTs and clusters.
Be gentle with them, their mental state remains real fragile.
There are still people among us who sincerely believe in BTs and clusters.
Be gentle with them, their mental state remains real fragile.
You seem to understand. There is NOTHING like the belief that degraded thetans are stuck everywhere, which alludes to your own likely future fate. And that the the eintire universe is designed to crush and imprison you and without this Hubbard loon, you will be trapped for eternity. These very thoughts have caused virtual resperatory arrest in me repeatedly around 2 or 3 in the morning with nightmares that I won't even contaminate you with. There is nothing worse than the belief that the very universe that you should trust in order to find love, peace and enjoyment in is nothing but a crushing bloodbath of horrors that would leave you imprisoned for millions of years and beyond. Halloween can't begin to compare to Scientology and there is nothing funny or entertaining about it whatsoever, GOT IT?It's amazing!
Within my first months lurking over here,
I taught it was for fun that people ask for how to audit body thetans ...
I might be arrogant but I feel it's very sad to have mentally sain people to beleive they are ''hijacked'' from body thetans and then ''audit'' a paranoid nevrosis that belong to LRH in a way they create into their own mind a certainty they had and still have these entities stuck to them.
Hi Paul, I just read your OP for the first time and have a couple of questions.
You're right of course about the meter phenomena that occur in SOLO auditing. I did the OT levels too and witnessed the falls and F/Ns and all that.
My question is this: Has anyone ever had a meter hooked up to them for a whole day? Like during regular life activities, including sleep, working, bathroom activities, etc., watching TV?
Are there falls, BDs, F/Ns?
Does it have to mean anything? Could there possibly be NO SIGNIFICANCE AT ALL?
I learned (through the combination of endless e-meter drilling and solo auditing) that I could (and did) cause needle and meter reactions with my thoughts. Perhaps that's the ONLY significance.
Any info you have about what the needle might be doing when one is not "in session" would be useful.