Pilot's Self Clearing (revised)

Quick comment (sorry that I cannot really participate in this thread): It was not me who delivered his computer to a specialist. I only was in LA once, in 2000.

My overall understanding of Ken and his case: the pain of a sane man in an insane world!

Sorry Heidrun

Looks like I got the wrong person.

I remember an article about an intervention done for Ken Ogger, and I will have to find out who that was.

Did you possibly host an article from another about that on your site?

I will check it out.

ARC

Scott
 
Well, it was Heidrun's page after all:

http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/MeetingKenOgger.htm

"On the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] of May 2007, he returned to the newsgroups and announced that he would resume his activities as “The Pilot” and be available for discussions again. He posted a batch of texts, one of them an older, most brilliant writing about the principles of existence, another exposed some Church of Scientology torture methods, and yet another told the shocking story of how the Church of Scientology had attacked his private life in the last months and years.


"Nine days later his body was found dead in his swimming pool. Both ankles and the left wrist were tied with electrical wire and attached to a heavy concrete weight."



I had it wrong, but only as not remembering it was someone else (not Heidrun) who rescued the hard-drives.

And perhaps about the date of the intervention.

The information is no less alarming.

With the church still actively pursuing their harassment, nine days after Ken makes his first Internet posting in years, revealing the details of SDH, he is found in a pool and his life's work that threatens a major monopoly, has been erased off his computer.

I stand by my above-posted conclusions 100%.

Scott Gordon
WATCHFUL NAVIGATOR
 

hbeer

Patron with Honors
Sorry Heidrun

Looks like I got the wrong person.

I remember an article about an intervention done for Ken Ogger, and I will have to find out who that was.

Did you possibly host an article from another about that on your site?

I will check it out.

ARC

Scott


Hello Scott,


that person WAS me, and the article about it is here:

http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/MeetingKenOgger.htm

But this visit happened in the year 2000, when he was still in his full physical health, way before the whole operation/coma story, way before his death in 2007, which was when that computer story happened - four years before "Self Clearing 2004" possibly could have been a file name or book title!



All the best,
 

CO2

Patron Meritorious
Well, it was Heidrun's page after all:

http://www.sgmt.at/PILOT/MeetingKenOgger.htm

"On the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] of May 2007, he returned to the newsgroups and announced that he would resume his activities as “The Pilot” and be available for discussions again. He posted a batch of texts, one of them an older, most brilliant writing about the principles of existence, another exposed some Church of Scientology torture methods, and yet another told the shocking story of how the Church of Scientology had attacked his private life in the last months and years.


"Nine days later his body was found dead in his swimming pool. Both ankles and the left wrist were tied with electrical wire and attached to a heavy concrete weight."



I had it wrong, but only as not remembering it was someone else (not Heidrun) who rescued the hard-drives.

And perhaps about the date of the intervention.

The information is no less alarming.

With the church still actively pursuing their harassment, nine days after Ken makes his first Internet posting in years, revealing the details of SDH, he is found in a pool and his life's work that threatens a major monopoly, has been erased off his computer.

I stand by my above-posted conclusions 100%.

Scott Gordon
WATCHFUL NAVIGATOR

Inspector Gordon, you are so masterful.

[video=youtube;29fHc0tnavI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29fHc0tnavI[/video]
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
I did LOTS of auditing on Super Scio back in 2000 and the years after that. Got a hell of a lot of gains from it. Wasn't all exactly as he said - I used my own knowingness in sessions and my experience as an auditor. Used him as a guide only. Then later I would hunt down my own implants and thrash them out on the meter etc. Great stuff.

I don't agree with all of his writings, but then I seldom agree with all of anyone else's writings. Well, not even my own at times. But still, I found him valuable and I salute him for what he did.
 
Actually have two rather weird questions:

1. Who actually delivered computer to repair shop? (Not like it's important, but to fill a gaps in a story).
2. Why in a Earth do all of you need to go through all that murder/suicide stuff again? It was discussed to death in other posts here and I hoped Rested In Peace since there is no common agreement on it and no concrete evidences for neither point. Accept it and let it go.

And as a comment:
1. Please. can we concentrate on "theta" side of what he is done and how much good YOU got from it.
2. If you have something to add to subject, improve or make a suggestion to make it better - we are all ears!!
3. Please boycott "entheta" even if you have an urge to spill it out. Just fucking cut it. Would you? There is not that much good left anyway. :yes:

Thank you all and have a great week!

Roy Jones (nick)

BTW. Off-line "Real Earth", flesh-and-blood-real-people "Self Clearing" group growing steadily and I will provide you with live stats regularly and feed backs from group will be available soon, as they "mandatory" here.

We can be found here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/selfclearing/
http://forum.selfclearing.com
http://selfclearing.com
[email protected]
 

CO2

Patron Meritorious
Actually have two rather weird questions:

1. Who actually delivered computer to repair shop? (Not like it's important, but to fill a gaps in a story).
2. Why in a Earth do all of you need to go through all that murder/suicide stuff again? It was discussed to death in other posts here and I hoped Rested In Peace since there is no common agreement on it and no concrete evidences for neither point. Accept it and let it go.



Roy Jones (nick)

1. I did ------------but we aren't ever ever ever going to put my name where google will one day find it. Are we?!
2.When Scott posted non factual unsupportable allegations, if left un countered, someone, some day, might have believed his words, without examining them. His words are no less googleable than mine. I think anyone who knew Ken, would prefer the truth to odd imaginings.

as an addendum:

What Scott wrote was easily researchable. I've written about the circumstances around the death on a couple of occasions in detail. Had Scott actually really wanted to know about Ken, he could have googled his name and come up with lots of reading material from first hand sources. He didn't need to make up fake sources for his funky claims. He could have known the truth, and written about it, but he chose the way of the traditional OSA poster. Get everyone's knickers in a knot, and walk away.

There's a saying from the Family Dog:

May the Baby Jesus open your eyes, and shut your mouth.

Scott take heed.
 
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Whatever, CO2 - you're a serial thread derailer. How's that for research?

I've done my homework, and I gave my opinions and labeled them as such.

A coroner's report is not the last word. But there is nothing anyone can do now, without enough new evidence to re-open an investigation. I realize that.

CO2 feels compelled to throw the 'troll' label at me (who's the 'troll' here? I write with my real name and link my blog loaded with background data about me) and suppresses educated opinion and even implies that such is 'dangerous' because some 'sucker' down the road might believe me. Whatever. Here we are on ESMB trying to talk about The Pilot. And CO2 is going to make sure that we all know how deluded we really are.

I did promise a write-up about my own Self-Clearing story.

So... back on topic.

Scott Gordon
WATCHFUL NAVIGATOR
 
My SELF-CLEARING Story

In December 2009 after completing 5 years of staff at the Costa Rica Mission as the DSA (Director of Special Affairs) Costa Rica, I had finally decided I was done with what I thought would remain a career. Something was seriously wrong with the organization. And the signs of it had been there when I left Dallas staff in 2004 to move to Costa Rica. The new place was refreshing in a way - refreshingly far from corrupt and insane management. I enjoyed the ease with which I could get my job done and also have plenty of time to study auditing and audit English-speaking preclears who came to the Mission.

Anyway, a friend of mine got me to "take a look" and after a few weeks of finding out on the Internet where things really stood, my friend linked me to Super-Scio. I read the first chapters in fascination, and eventually decided it was too advanced to tackle for the time-being. My search for more information led me to The Pilot's Self-Clearing and other postings, and I devoured it.

One of the best things I got from it was the 'permission' to solo audit. I began to study and prepare for handling my own unhandled case (I was continually ill with migraine headaches - I was also completely broke and out of work, which heavily strained my marriage). I was in very unhappy shape. Out of communication with friends and family in the states, and now at odds with my wife about the scientology religion.

On top of all that, I had unusual and severe tooth pains, and so while riding the bus out looking for work, I would apply The Pilot's chapter on handling pain somatics. This worked. I used the Interiorization drill from Self-Clearing which relieved "going into things" enough to keep me going.

One day in the middle of the migraine pain, I had had enough, and I got out my e-meter, put two cans together, and assessed the condition. Several items were reading, including 'out-Int' and 'Body-in-Pawn'. So I studied solo auditing material the next couple of days, while holding the cans in one hand and noticing meter responses.

Between LRH materials (C/S-53, Int Rundown Correction List)) and Self-Clearing advices, I unraveled the Int condition very satisfactorily. I ended up with no more migraine headaches and enough recovery of Havingness to inherit a small business in which I could work for myself, make decent money, and have plenty of time to solo audit (this was out of view of my wife for obvious reasons, however, what I can say is that relations between us were improving dramatically).

At some point, my friend who was going "Independent" but was also being steered back to 'Standard Tech' tried pointing me in that direction, getting me a C/S who worked with me on the 'Body-in-Pawn' that had read on the meter and was now interfering with sessions as a persistent 'dirty needle' and occasional rock-slam. This was a difficult handling, but after struggling for many sessions and after a long 9-hour (with quick breaks to eat) session, made possible because my wife was out of town, I used The Pilot's "point to the being you divided from" to finally accomplish a spectacular 'blow' which made me exterior and put me on top of the world for a good while.

For weeks and weeks with sessions almost every day, I worked on out-list charge (L4BRB) and with the help of the distance C/Sing, I began to unravel the years of abuse and confusion on staff. At the point I started doing well on my own, I dropped the distance C/Sing and did my own, and it got so good, that I was able to walk into the Mission (where I had never wanted to return) with a fresh, renewed outlook, able to chat with staff who had been suppressive to me (a lot of internal politics there) and look at the whole thing from a fresh perspective.

I was happy, I made great money and my marriage became stable and pleasant for both of us.

After doing all I needed to do with list corrections, and doing The Pilot's Collapse Rundown to awesome results, I actually did the Introspection Rundown solo, and very quickly into the rundown, was able to end it off with a persistent floating needle and feeling no need to continue. I ended off on solo auditing for a while, seeing that I would need a rest point for the upcoming trip.

My wife took me to Mexico. I paid in advance for the Clear Certainty Rundown (this had read on lists in the church, as well as in my solo sessions). They stole my money by claiming 12 hours of folder study Thursday before 2pm, and by getting my wife to 'help' me and donate for 'auditing I needed first. This was out-and-out suppression, yet in spite of it I held up fine, casewise. I was told I had to get my Security Check form leaving staff and that meant paying for it myself (by policy the org is supposed to do this). It was a rip-off, but I complied thinking that if I got my CCRD at the end it would be worthwhile and I would be done with the Bridge - my wife would be happy, etc.

The solo auditing actually had me standing up to the suppression there which otherwise would have caved me in and destroyed my marriage (I can't get over how insidious it was to reg my wife to involve her in a profound injustice). My case was in awesome shape and the horrible out-tech of demanding a floating needle whether a sec check question is charged or not, apparently did not dirty my needle too badly. I refuse to make things up and luckily I knew enough to make the auditor check 'protest' as needed to float my needle.

And there was heavy protest!

After finishing the grinding Sec Check successfully (my knowledge of my case and the tech was the only thing that got me through it with the wins of answering the questions honestly but holding to my own moral code and not theirs) I was told I'd have to wait for another time to get my CCRD. I was not happy.

Weeks later I was told to 're-do' my Objectives - a very wrong indication.

My next step on Hubbard's Grade Chart was Grade 0. One of the only limitations to Self-Clearing in my opinion, is that this Grade works best when you've another to talk to, so I was waiting on that for a co-auditor.

I probably should have worked more with Self-Clearing then, but I had strong considerations still, about being as 'Standard' as possible (there is actually some validity to that, which I will explain another time), and after the failure at the church and its newly-introduced stress on our marriage, I embarked on a Suppressed Person Rundown, maintaining a happy case state, but somehow missing the present-time suppression developing around me.

Hostile forces were gathering during this time, to eventually violently steal the land I was working on (taking care of Teak trees) as my business. I could feel them, but I stubbornly clung to my faith in the meter and thought I should rely on it to keep my life going as well as it had before that disaster in Mexico. Ironically, I did get some correct items on the meter, but I did not get what was coming in the physical universe. I was not introverted on my solo auditing mind you - rather I was quite extroverted, and spacing out my sessions to only when rudiments went out.

During one of those occasional sessions, with the tropical rain loudly beating on the metal roof (my session worksheet for the day says I was worried about someone intruding on session since I could no longer hear the door), I ignored my intuition and the one day out of a thousand that my wife came home early, she walked in on me holding two cans in my hands (a big, bad, 'no-no' in Hubbard's disempowerment cult).

To make a long story short, the rivals at the Mission from the time I found crimes on the Executive Director, used my wife's report to bury me, and then in the middle of that gnarly mess of suppression raining down, I was badly beaten physically by an international criminal who had stolen the land from my clients and considered me a threat - in the wrong place at the wrong time - and my wife eventually succumbed to the relentless campaign by the Mission to force me to bow down and drink the poisonous lower conditions, and now wanted a divorce.

That was the end of that for a while.

Sorry for the long ramble, but the story is there for those interested. Self-Clearing played a big part in getting me started, and in giving me enough perspective not to take Hubbard's boobytraps seriously.

A lot of the rest of the story is on my blog.

http://watchfulnavigator.wordpress.com

The Pilot took a lot of responsibility for reform, which you can see that I am in agreement with. However, my reform arrows are just about spent. I am now mostly interested in tech research and development on the shoulders of the good in Scientology, The Pilot and other students of Hubbard.

Self-Clearing is the most common-sense, unevaluative and valuable work I have ever found outside the church. Ken Ogger was a brilliant thinker and compassionate enough to put it out there in a simplicity that only someone with deep understanding could accomplish.

I am thoroughly enjoying reviewing Self-Clearing right now, from top to bottom, and after I finish co-auditing my standard Grades, I plan to do it from the Chapter One on up.

"That's my story and I'm sticking to it."

Scott Gordon
WATCHFUL NAVIGATOR

a previous write-up is here:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...highlight=watchful+navigator+pilot#post718150
(if there are any contradictions, I'm sure that CO2 will find them and let us know -then I guess I'll have some 'splainin' to do)
 
Story of a Squirel - no I mean story of a circus

Dear Reader of this thread,

I hope all readers are enjoying the senseless joke that is going on here. In case you missed the point it goes like this.

On 7th December 2008, 08:54 PM I started this thread with the intention of announcing a new list I started, concerning the Pilots revised edition of Self Clearing. On message five we get MERCHANT OF CHAOS saying "Based on the Pilot's final EP -- he killed himself-- I do not recommend this. " - and off we go to message 14; discussing the Pilot's death, not his book.

On 7th June 2011, uniquemand Unbeliever Starts the circus up again, based on Originally Posted by Pooks "Based on the Pilot's final EP -- he killed himself-- I do not recommend this."

On 26th April 2012, 06:49 PM , I having forgotten how to start a thread, someone helped me by posting the introduction and the first of the Pilot Reposts – of all places on the Apollo thread:http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10103-The-old-days-Aboard-the-Apollo-1973&p=683112#post683112 There is so much else on the Appollo thread that I have not the patience to see if the circus started there.

On 23rd July 2012, 06:49 PM I plucked up courage and started a new thread The Pilot, Excerpts from his Writings see http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27983-The-Pilot-Excerpts-from-his-Writings . The circus starts again, though a little differently.

And now we have it again.

I suppose there are some people who enjoy getting hot under their collar. In which case, I suppose I should pat myself on the back, for having done them a service and allowed them to get hot under the collar.

For those of you who know the process from early Scientology, it is a sort of Opening Procedure by Duplication – Forum version.

So lets have a few more lies and opinions about the Pilot and his death repeated now and again, just to keep the interest level of some up.

Once upon a time I ran a MetaScientology magazine in English. It seemed that the Pilot, who was very careful to remain hidden, trusted me sufficiently to give me his private email address, and I was in touch with him from a time when no one knew he was Ken Ogger til his death. When he died his girl friend emailed me, and I told some one, who was able to go to Los Angeles, rescue his mother from destitution, and generally help, including getting the computer to someone who wishes to remain anonymous. And thus the revised version of Self Clearing was discovered.

It works, in most cases (things like lacking sleep, being dead drunk, out gradient, present time problem unhandled can impede it, like any other type of auditing).

So, those of you who want, use it, those of you who want to talk about his death, do so (some would like you to set up a separate thread "lie´s and truths about the Pilot's death" for example). In other words, all of you, try doing a rather interesting process from the 50's: "Do what you are doing" (that would of course include getting hot under the collar).

And if you want to learn more about the Pilot (written at a time when he was just dead, so it lacks some negative aspects) look at http://articles.ivymag.org/pdf/IVy83.pdf, It is (partly) a Pilot commemoration issue, put together by someone who, in hindsight, seemed to have been quite a modest person, but really was a genius hiding his light under a bushel (in due course you will be able to discuss his death – but you will have to wait a bit).

All best wishes,

Ant
 
What I don't understand about this, an outpoint if you will, is this: It would seem Ken killed himself after being PDHed or what ever it was alleged to be, since he felt he had been destroyed. Why would that even be possible? If I recall from his statement correctly, he lost his gains or whatever as a result of this abuse. On one hand you have Ken, who I knew years ago in the NYO days, having this wonderful self clearing technology, which had it's genesis in Scientology. One would think that all of this running out whole track implants and what have you he found on his track, and all the stuff he ran out when on the bridge as a PC or he soloed, that he would be proof of any abuse in this life.

I mean, Key-ryste isn't that what Scientology is all about? Making an OT that can't be struck down?

Or, was the opposite true - that unconditional belief in the power of Scientology and his own research and self clearing gave him cause to believe in the veracity of the PDH, and as such, he believed implicitly in it's power, much as the vaunted Black Dianetics / Black Scientology that many bandy about. (shudder) Thus he believed, heart and soul he had been destroyed, and thus took his own life?

See, I don't get it. If his tech was so good, why not pick up the solo cans and run the PDH out? It is "only" an engram... and as such, should surrender to auditing, right?

Mimsey
 
What I don't understand about this, an outpoint if you will, is this: It would seem Ken killed himself after being PDHed or what ever it was alleged to be, since he felt he had been destroyed. Why would that even be possible? If I recall from his statement correctly, he lost his gains or whatever as a result of this abuse. On one hand you have Ken, who I knew years ago in the NYO days, having this wonderful self clearing technology, which had it's genesis in Scientology. One would think that all of this running out whole track implants and what have you he found on his track, and all the stuff he ran out when on the bridge as a PC or he soloed, that he would be proof of any abuse in this life.

I mean, Key-ryste isn't that what Scientology is all about? Making an OT that can't be struck down?

Or, was the opposite true - that unconditional belief in the power of Scientology and his own research and self clearing gave him cause to believe in the veracity of the PDH, and as such, he believed implicitly in it's power, much as the vaunted Black Dianetics / Black Scientology that many bandy about. (shudder) Thus he believed, heart and soul he had been destroyed, and thus took his own life?

See, I don't get it. If his tech was so good, why not pick up the solo cans and run the PDH out? It is "only" an engram... and as such, should surrender to auditing, right?

Mimsey
Nothing good comes from trading reality for the role playing game of Scientology or at least I have not seen any evidence of anything good coming from it. Ken was just another casualty in it's long list of casualties who gave up reality for Scientology.

The bottomline is ... if Scientology was able to deliver what it promised, Hubbard would have used it to cure his own mental illness, instead of spending the last few decades of his life on the run hiding from imaginary enemies.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Why don't we leave Ant's thread alone and stop trashing it, again? It's easy enough to start another one to discuss the messenger rather than the message, or why they are inseparable, or the colour of his socks, or whatever.

Paul
 
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MostlyLurker

Patron Meritorious
The scariest thought I had after finding and reading the book was that I could mess up myself mentally by running its processes unsupervised.

Coming from Co$ you are trained to believe that:
1) You could severely mess up your case by self-auditing
2) You cannot trust yourself to handle your own mind
3) After "squirrelling" you cannot turn to Co$ for any review or a fix-up.​

So I think that if the book has to gain any popularity it must address similar concerns the readers might have.

One way to do it may be to collect the support of experienced auditors and C/Ss willing to help readers out, and add that list of auditors with contact info to the book. Good is the idea of the forum that can host useful support, suggestion and a fAQ if staffed properly with experienced auditors & C/Sses.

It is important to let the reader know he is not alone and help him take his first steps into the processes of the book.
 
Suicide

Why don't we leave Ant's thread alone and stop trashing it, again? It's easy enough to start another one to discuss the messenger rather than the message, or why they are inseparable, or the colour of his socks, or whatever.

Paul

I highly endorse Paul's idea. I moved the Pilot Repost thread away from the Apollo thread, because it had nothing to do with the Apollo (it was put there by another who had the theory that the Apollo thread was a place you could put any thing without the danger of the sort of circus we have been getting here).

Has some one the responsibility to start a thread "Suicide amongst Scientologists"?

In the mean time I can tell you of two other suicides I know about, both about twenty years ago.

The first had a wife with sclerosis. He was not a strong or large man, but his wife was immobile to the state that he had to lift her on and off the toilet numerous times a day (as well as many other physical tasks). She/they were registraed to Flag, with the belief that that would handle (or alleviate). Flag fiddled around with something like setups, or prepcheck, I don't remember details, and they came back with her no better. The local council offered a meagre week's alleviation for him, where she would be cared for in a nursing home. During that week the son visited the father, found him sitting dead in a chair from an overdose of sleeping pills.

The other case I know less well, but he had worked with Ron, and pined for the church to be reformed. In 1984, when a group of people met in my flat to discuss developments re the "Church", he came every week, with the very unreal "certainty" that the "Church" would fall apart before the next meeting. Later on a visit to his mother she found his body hanging.

Those two instances have nothing to do with the 2004 verson of the Pilot's Self Clearing, and I refuse to discuss them, or
Mimsey Borogrove quite important question on this thread (it belongs on one or all of the threads concerned with tech generally).

I do have a comment on the off thread remarks that have appeared recently. It takes guts to audit yourself. It is not easy. You do not have an auditor sharing the responsibility (there are people, willing to help and discuss it - one of the reasons I set up the list you can join at: http://lists.worldtrans.org/mailman/listinfo/selfclearing2004 ).

Might I suggest the possibility (a bit evaluative, but [poor excuse] I am getting fed up with this off topic stuff) that the people bleating on about the Pilot's death, lack guts, some of them! It takes a bit of guts to start a thread here, or to contribute to a tech thread where you know there are people a good deal better than you. It also takes longer to start a thread, than to build on what some one else has said.

On another point: Expectations, over many years, were set too high as to how marvelous the tech is/was. It can be pretty good - I have had remarkable gains in the ten to fifteen years after I gave up trying "Solo NOTS". Get a bit of experience handling many cases and you will understand better.

Is my volcanic temper showing a bit through my English middle class reticence (read fear) to offend?

All best wishes,

Ant

PS. I have thanked nearly every one who has contributed. A sort of duty as I started the thread, and I think contributions should be acknowledged - they take a bit of effort. But there is no easy button to click on saying "I consider this reply to be off topic": I wish there had been :)
 
Coming from Co$ you are trained to believe that:
1) You could severely mess up your case by self-auditing
2) You cannot trust yourself to handle your own mind
3) After "squirrelling" you cannot turn to Co$ for any review or a fix-up.​

Ant note: "Trained to believe" could be said to be a euphemism for "brainwashed into believing". They sure use our (Scientologies) knowledge of the mind to imprison ;./

So I think that if the book has to gain any popularity it must address similar concerns the readers might have.

One way to do it may be to collect the support of experienced auditors and C/Ss willing to help readers out, and add that list of auditors with contact info to the book. Good is the idea of the forum that can host useful support, suggestion and a fAQ if staffed properly with experienced auditors & C/Sses.

It is important to let the reader know he is not alone and help him take his first steps into the processes of the book.

I like the idea, but it seems to be getting towards church bureaucracy, when you get down to the details of how this would be done.

No. There is myself, Scott Gordan, Roy Jones, offering these services and the list I started, and activities Roy is starting. You know some of us have not only been brain washed into the points mentioned above. We have also been brain washed into the need for a cumbersome organisation.

I vote for a sort of "Gung Ho" ungroup. High ARC, friendliness, granting of beingess.

All best wishes,

Ant
 
I was not trying to disrespect or make fun of Ken, a really likeably guy. I can recall him describing to me, a relative newby to Scientology at the time, how he had been so exterior to the universe, it looked like a ball of cotton in one's hand. Or him showing me his collection of reel to reel Scientology tapes. But I have always had a question about the post he made about the PDH. It never made any damn sense, any more than his suicide did. I think he genuinely tried to make a workable tech.

That said, I find belief an interesting subject. Especially how belief supplants reality. So, perhaps his overwhelming belief in Scientology and his own research, made him susceptible to believing he was destroyed by the PDH. Take the placebo effect - it works both ways. a person can take sugar pills and feel better, or a person taking an actual medicine which is correcting his bad condition, can believe he is getting worse.

I am not trying to make light of his tragic demise, but I feel it is an aspect of his technology, of the churches technology, or really, any cult or belief system that needs to be better understood. I had a conversation with a Scientologist recently and he was no nonsense, pure intention, A-B, lets get this over with so I can get out of your presence, you disaffected POS. He knew nothing about me, but his prejudices were on his sleeve. He believed I was evil without taking to time to find out who or what I was.

It just never made any sense to me, his tragic end, and Ant and Paul, I am not trying to pick him apart, but come to a better understanding.

Mimsey

PS Ant. I don't see any reason to thank a person solely because he took the time to post on your thread. Especially me. Thank me if you like what I said, if you feel I contributed something of value to you, or your thread. But if you dislike my comment, there is no reason, as far as I can see, for you to acknowledge it's existence. In fact, if you don't like it, hit the disagree button. My own experience with originating threads is that sometimes they take on a life of their own. You can fight it, ignore it or go with it. Yikes! the old black panther mechanism! M
 
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CO2

Patron Meritorious
The scariest thought I had after finding and reading the book was that I could mess up myself mentally by running its processes unsupervised.

Coming from Co$ you are trained to believe that:
1) You could severely mess up your case by self-auditing
2) You cannot trust yourself to handle your own mind
3) After "squirrelling" you cannot turn to Co$ for any review or a fix-up.​

So I think that if the book has to gain any popularity it must address similar concerns the readers might have.

One way to do it may be to collect the support of experienced auditors and C/Ss willing to help readers out, and add that list of auditors with contact info to the book. Good is the idea of the forum that can host useful support, suggestion and a fAQ if staffed properly with experienced auditors & C/Sses.

It is important to let the reader know he is not alone and help him take his first steps into the processes of the book.

I remember vividly the first time I had a totally new PC, in his first session, over the phone.

I was in California. He was in South Africa.

He went whole track to Nazi Germany with huge charge coming off.

It was there I had the huge revelation,"if I fuck this up, there is no repair list that will fix it."

That said, nothing went wrong. All went well.

That was decades ago. Occasionally, I still audit him for a little session. By phone. It works just fine.

Having repaired some people, who Flag (the Mecca of Tech Perfection) has fucked over and spit out, I never ever would have the thought that someone, anyone, could get any form of real help from the Co$. The environment isn't safe. All they want is money.


The best auditors have left the Co$. If anyone needs a repair, good auditors outside the Co$ are easy to find.
 
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