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john reguerra

Patron with Honors
I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching . I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life. I realized that was up to me to apply it. It was up to me studying and applying it,and getting the benefit out of it. Because DM and all those Int and Ex Int staff fucked it up and continue to fuck it up ( ex-int also) doesn't mean that Scientology technology doesn't work. DM and ex-Int teaching do not work. Please be truthful about Scientology not for yourself but for those not so able to evaluate data. Scientology is 50% of application!!! If it does not work are you doing your part? the 50% ? Scientology is not a magic word. Abracadabra and voila!!!! Sorry, have have to do the 50% of the work. I know this is very cruel especially for those believing in fairytale. Scientology word doesn't do the trick so it doesn't work. What exactly did it or didn't it work? That is the question. For those who want chaos (OSA) don't bother. For those who gave up do not spread about things that yourselves cannot apply it. For those who are not sure find a piece of tech that you can apply and works and carry on from there. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Most people here have evaluated their experiences and the 'tech'. They have formed their conclusions. Many don't see the positives as you do. So what? Why is it so hard for you to accept that people don't agree with you? You are entitled to your reality. We all are. You don't need others agreement to believe what you believe. Forcing the issue on others will not get you what you seem so desperate to get. Be true to yourself. Let the rest go.
 
I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching . I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life. I realized that was up to me to apply it. It was up to me studying and applying it,and getting the benefit out of it. Because DM and all those Int and Ex Int staff fucked it up and continue to fuck it up ( ex-int also) doesn't mean that Scientology technology doesn't work. DM and ex-Int teaching do not work. Please be truthful about Scientology not for yourself but for those not so able to evaluate data. Scientology is 50% of application!!! If it does not work are you doing your part? the 50% ? Scientology is not a magic word. Abracadabra and voila!!!! Sorry, have have to do the 50% of the work. I know this is very cruel especially for those believing in fairytale. Scientology word doesn't do the trick so it doesn't work. What exactly did it or didn't it work? That is the question. For those who want chaos (OSA) don't bother. For those who gave up do not spread about things that yourselves cannot apply it. For those who are not sure find a piece of tech that you can apply and works and carry on from there. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!
I hear spending a few decades in prison has made some people become 'better beings' too, however most people do quite well without having to waste decades of their lives in cults or prisons. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!
 

Reasonable

Silver Meritorious Patron
Scientology auditing is to a large degree subjective. So if you feel it was worth it for you then it was. Whether or not past lives are real or not is also subjective. No real proof either way. Your cognition that you were an opera singer in 1878 in London is not proof that it happened even if after your session your debilitating headaches went away and you felt happier.

And if there are past lives then maybe not for everyone. Maybe for some? And maybe auditing works for some people some of the time. Maybe it only works on certain types of people. Again no real proof. IF you feel that your wins and cognitions were worth the time and money then great keep going.

Management tech/ ethics tech. This works to the degree that it is better than your own system you had before Scientology. If you had absolutly no management plan or your own system of ethics or code of conduct then almost any system would be better than yours and in this way it would seem that Scientolgy works for you.

So for you to tell me that Scientolgy will work for me if I apply it is not necessarily true. You would have to know me first. For you to assume that auditing would work on me is simply that , an assumtion. You do not really know..IF YOU ARE BEING TRUTHFUL

I am glad it works for you.
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
Be courageous,

It's only a bad moment to go through - uncomfortable - as one's certainty is challenged.
:biggrin:
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Scientology auditing is to a large degree subjective. So if you feel it was worth it for you then it was. Whether or not past lives are real or not is also subjective. No real proof either way. Your cognition that you were an opera singer in 1878 in London is not proof that it happened even if after your session your debilitating headaches went away and you felt happier.

And if there are past lives then maybe not for everyone. Maybe for some? And maybe auditing works for some people some of the time. Maybe it only works on certain types of people. Again no real proof. IF you feel that your wins and cognitions were worth the time and money then great keep going.

Management tech/ ethics tech. This works to the degree that it is better than your own system you had before Scientology. If you had absolutly no management plan or your own system of ethics or code of conduct then almost any system would be better than yours and in this way it would seem that Scientolgy works for you.

So for you to tell me that Scientolgy will work for me if I apply it is not necessarily true. You would have to know me first. For you to assume that auditing would work on me is simply that , an assumtion. You do not really know..IF YOU ARE BEING TRUTHFUL

I am glad it works for you.

Excellent response. Excellent comment.
 

Techless

Patron Meritorious
I just don't really understand how anyone can believe that something is 'good' for them, when all evidence points towards a major scam of hither-unknown proportion. One has to be under some delusion to not see otherwise.

Just because I eventually figured this out, on my own and thankfully the internet, doesn't make the things I've learned along the way inconsequential or not having been 'good' for me - and hopefully others...cause there were 'good' things. But they would've and could've been had from any number of other things seeking this and with an HONEST history. Scn has proven beyond any shadow: it's total dishonesty. DM didn't screw up the "tech' - he just got handed the torch from the original criminal - it was screwed from the get-go...it just has snuck by, under a somewhat different guise. But it was and is still BS.

I cannot or ever stand behind anything that has led to so much pain in others...and THAT IS what the whole topic leads towards. I guess though, that some can keep going in it, and not ever see this as they are so completely under the spell. Again: look at what is/has happened! These things aren't subjective -like what you or I believe what is or might be 'good'- they actually happened. (and are happening) And the 'good' things you may think are worth it, and you're still feeling 'good' about...have one helluva lot of now very real truths behind them and how they were gotten.

There's just no way a sane person could look at the items that have racked up with all things Scn - and still try to justify 'collateral damage' or whatever. That's insanity.

You're just letting everyone know that you have lost the ability the sort through things - like anyone who is still IN. It's really friggin sad. But it exists in many other things here on planet Earth too and which make it hard to discern. Probably harder when you're fooled (mind-fucked) enough to believe that you should not look at these other things...

I do hope that any and all can fight their way back to seeing just what the actual truth is. Then they'll find some real happiness.

This has been very truthful -and not just based on my own personal experiences. I have LOOKED at just what has been going on behind the scenes for while now. It's not good.
 

suspiciousperson

Patron with Honors
I don't really speak californian, but given the choice between "going to the bone yard with valley girls" and making doomed arguments against internet strangers, I know which one I would consider more of a success.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Scientology is Batshit Crazy

I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching . I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life. I realized that was up to me to apply it. It was up to me studying and applying it,and getting the benefit out of it. Because DM and all those Int and Ex Int staff fucked it up and continue to fuck it up ( ex-int also) doesn't mean that Scientology technology doesn't work. DM and ex-Int teaching do not work. Please be truthful about Scientology not for yourself but for those not so able to evaluate data. Scientology is 50% of application!!! If it does not work are you doing your part? the 50% ? Scientology is not a magic word. Abracadabra and voila!!!! Sorry, have have to do the 50% of the work. I know this is very cruel especially for those believing in fairytale. Scientology word doesn't do the trick so it doesn't work. What exactly did it or didn't it work? That is the question. For those who want chaos (OSA) don't bother. For those who gave up do not spread about things that yourselves cannot apply it. For those who are not sure find a piece of tech that you can apply and works and carry on from there. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!
 

PTS

Elliott
Far be it from me to invalidate your wins but once I woke up and left I discovered that it was all a colossal mind **** and a ****ing unfunny joke perpetrated by a sadistic psychopathic man.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Far be it from me to invalidate your wins but once I woke up and left I discovered that it was all a colossal mind **** and a ****ing unfunny joke perpetrated by a sadistic psychopathic man.

[video=youtube;pipTwjwrQYQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipTwjwrQYQ[/video]
 

GreyLensman

Silver Meritorious Patron
I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching . I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life. I realized that was up to me to apply it. It was up to me studying and applying it,and getting the benefit out of it. Because DM and all those Int and Ex Int staff fucked it up and continue to fuck it up ( ex-int also) doesn't mean that Scientology technology doesn't work. DM and ex-Int teaching do not work. Please be truthful about Scientology not for yourself but for those not so able to evaluate data. Scientology is 50% of application!!! If it does not work are you doing your part? the 50% ? Scientology is not a magic word. Abracadabra and voila!!!! Sorry, have have to do the 50% of the work. I know this is very cruel especially for those believing in fairytale. Scientology word doesn't do the trick so it doesn't work. What exactly did it or didn't it work? That is the question. For those who want chaos (OSA) don't bother. For those who gave up do not spread about things that yourselves cannot apply it. For those who are not sure find a piece of tech that you can apply and works and carry on from there. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!

Some tech works. Some tech doesn't work. The excuse has always been that "you didn't apply it standardly". Which is bullshit because as you start looking at the whole of Scientology from a place where you are not "word cleared" or "ethics handled" in order to enforce agreement and cooperation, and you start looking at the tech from outside and the manipulations and changes and emphasis and then re-emphasis and then abandonment of "tech" you realize what works works by intention in order to draw in public or by fucking complete accident. And that 100% consistent result by research? That's complete bollocks.

I can and have applied it. I've gotten honest results, and I've also gotten very honest failures. And, it was not my application of the so-called tech that failed, it was truly that piece of tech itself.

There's also the factor that reality is what's agreed upon. You've spent 20 - 30 years agreeing wholeheartedly and with an ENFORCED REALITY (got a read there? SUPPRESSED? That, that right there... What's that? I'll wait... Continue reading once you've completed an itsa.) (Thank you.) You agreed with a created, continually made-up reality of a 100% standard tech that was created out of whole cloth. There wasn't research except for the on-the-fly clinical application to PCs in the field. There is no standard tech, no mecca, no actual there, there.

:omg:
 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
I hear spending a few decades in prison has made some people become 'better beings' too, however most people do quite well without having to waste decades of their lives in cults or prisons. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!

So TRUE! Discipline makes one better...sticking to your goal and no matter what comes up - overcoming it!

A old friend of mine had a son that was sent to prison for 10 years for selling dope! Stupid kid..was always a rebel.

She went to see him and he had lost a ton of weight, was neatly groomed and she said he never looked so good in his life!

Funny what discipline does for one...

I DID NOT become a better person because of Scientology - I became a BITTER person because of Scientology and am now recovering from the mind fuck!

A little Scientology goes a LOOOONNNGGG WAY! Very little and that stuff was copied by Hubbard.

Get yourself some Napolean Hill books. All the good stuff you got out of Scientology was from Napolean Hill who came BEFORE L Ron Hubbard. Get his tapes and listen to them...you can't believe how much Hubbard copied from Hill!!

It is virtually FREE but one has to apply the principles to their lives. It does work...I used Hill's stuff long before Scientology and then forgot about it. Years later...I get myself sucked into Scientology and wonder why Hubbard's "tech" sounds so familiar..:whistling:I recently went to the Library and checked out Hill's books...then I total certainty as to where Hubbard got his good stuff!

Past lives and all that rubbish...is just rubbish in my opinion ... NO SCIENCE behind that crap! And Hubbard PROMISED a SCIENCE of knowing how to know! Where is the science? I tried it - no proof other than what the waxing enthusiastic success stories say! That is NOT Science.

I saw more people get worse, go bankrupt, lose homes, get ill, die and basically become really stupid from doing Scientology. That is all the proof I need to know Scientology does not work. The stuff Hubbard copied from others...does...that is why Hubbard mixed it in with his "tech".

I am being honest!! :yes:
 

clamicide

Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm being so good in not replying to this thread... I mean I'm replying, but not addressing the whole thing. I think, at one point, in the evolution of exyness, there's just some !#$@ you just have to not bother engaging.

JMNSHO, before you engage, just see if it feels good for ya... if not, don't bother. It might not be the same for others, but it was seriously posts like this OP, instead of the replies that helped steer me to the land where I'm no longer of the tek.
 

Gib

Crusader
So TRUE! Discipline makes one better...sticking to your goal and no matter what comes up - overcoming it!

A old friend of mine had a son that was sent to prison for 10 years for selling dope! Stupid kid..was always a rebel.

She went to see him and he had lost a ton of weight, was neatly groomed and she said he never looked so good in his life!

Funny what discipline does for one...

I DID NOT become a better person because of Scientology - I became a BITTER person because of Scientology and am now recovering from the mind fuck!

A little Scientology goes a LOOOONNNGGG WAY! Very little and that stuff was copied by Hubbard.

Get yourself some Napolean Hill books. All the good stuff you got out of Scientology was from Napolean Hill who came BEFORE L Ron Hubbard. Get his tapes and listen to them...you can't believe how much Hubbard copied from Hill!!

It is virtually FREE but one has to apply the principles to their lives. It does work...I used Hill's stuff long before Scientology and then forgot about it. Years later...I get myself sucked into Scientology and wonder why Hubbard's "tech" sounds so familiar..:whistling:I recently went to the Library and checked out Hill's books...then I total certainty as to where Hubbard got his good stuff!

Past lives and all that rubbish...is just rubbish in my opinion ... NO SCIENCE behind that crap! And Hubbard PROMISED a SCIENCE of knowing how to know! Where is the science? I tried it - no proof other than what the waxing enthusiastic success stories say! That is NOT Science.

I saw more people get worse, go bankrupt, lose homes, get ill, die and basically become really stupid from doing Scientology. That is all the proof I need to know Scientology does not work. The stuff Hubbard copied from others...does...that is why Hubbard mixed it in with his "tech".

I am being honest!! :yes:

Yah, it's pretty amazing how hubbard turned Hill's writings into a cult, or a group, and calling it his philosophy.

Hubbard was smart.

He turned Hill's work into a money making scheme in the end.

Which of course tony robbins does the same, as well as many others.

They all just took a part of what Hill wrote and capitalized on it.
 

MostlyLurker

Patron Meritorious
I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching.
You wanted it. Not Scn, but you and if you used tools of Scn to achieve what you wanted that's fine, but I'm sure if Scn wasn't around you would have found other ways to achieve what you wanted.

I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life.
You cannot tell that. You cannot tell that without Scn you would have been like your brother, you had a different purpose so you were different from the beginning I guess. Beside that, how can you tell that your purpose in life is more correct, right or better than his purpose in life - which seems to just have fun with girls? He may wonder why you keep messing up with your mind instead of simply enjoy life and make girls happy.

Why are we alive? Why do we exist? Richard Bach in 'Illusions' says life is like a movie, and there are only two reasons why people go watch movies: for fun or for learning, or both.

"And a movie is like a lifetime, Don, is that right?"
"Yes."
"Then why would anybody choose a bad lifetime, a horror movie?"
"They not only come to the horror movie for fun, they know it is going to be a horror movie when they walk in," he said.
"But why?..."
"Do you like horror films?"
"No."
"Do you ever see them?"
"No."
"But some people spend a lot of money and time to see horror, or soap-opera problems that to other people are dull and boring?..."
He left the question for me to answer.
"Yes."
"You don’t have to see their films and they don’t have to see yours. That is called ‘freedom.’"
"But why would anybody want to be horrified? Or bored?"
"Because they think they deserve it for horrifying somebody else, or they like the excitement of horrification, or that boring is the way they think films have to be. Can you believe that lots of people for reasons that are very sound to them enjoy believing that they are helpless in their own films? No, you can’t."
"No, I can’t," I said.
"Until you understand that, you will wonder why some people are unhappy. They are unhappy because they have chosen to be unhappy, and, Richard, that is all right!"
"Hm."
"We are game-playing, fun-having creatures, we are the otters of the universe. We cannot die, we cannot hurt ourselves any more than illusions on the screen can be hurt. But we can believe we’re hurt, in whatever agonizing detail we want. We can believe we’re victims, killed and killing, shuddered around by good luck and bad luck."
"Many lifetimes?" I asked.
"How many movies have you seen?"
"Oh."
"Films about living on this planet, about living on other planets; anything that’s got space and time is all movie and all illusion,"
he said. "But for a while we can learn a huge amount and have a lot of fun with our illusions, can we not?"
"How far do you take this movie thing, Don?"
"How far do you want? You saw the film tonight partly because I wanted to see it. Lots of people choose lifetimes because they enjoy doing things together. The actors in the film tonight have played together in other films - before or after depends on which film you’ve seen first, or you can see them at the same time on different screens. We buy tickets to these films, paying admission by agreeing to believe in the reality of space and the reality of time... Neither one is true, but anyone who doesn’t want to pay that price cannot appear on this planet, or in any space-time system at all."
"Are there some people who don’t have any lifetimes at all in space-time?"
"Are there some people who never go to movies?"
"I see. They get their learning in different ways?"
"Right you are," he said, pleased with me. "Space-time is a fairly primitive school. But a lot of people stay with the illusion even if it is boring, and they don’t want the lights turned on early."
"Who writes these movies, Don?"
"Isn’t it strange how much we know if only we ask ourselves
instead of somebody else? Who writes these movies, Richard?"
"We do," I said.
"Who acts?"
"Us."
"Who’s the cameraman, the projectionist, the theater manager, the ticket-taker, the distributor, and who watches them all happen? Who is free to walk out in the middle, any time, change the plot whenever, who is free to see the same film over and over again?"
"Let me guess," I said. "Anybody who wants to?"
"Is that enough freedom for you?"


It makes more sense than Hubbard's cosmology: Marcab, the bad guys, Xenu, the confederacy. Even if part of Hubbard space opera is right, its just another war game on a different level, another movie.
 

Lone Star

Crusader
I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching . I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life. I realized that was up to me to apply it. It was up to me studying and applying it,and getting the benefit out of it. Because DM and all those Int and Ex Int staff fucked it up and continue to fuck it up ( ex-int also) doesn't mean that Scientology technology doesn't work. DM and ex-Int teaching do not work. Please be truthful about Scientology not for yourself but for those not so able to evaluate data. Scientology is 50% of application!!! If it does not work are you doing your part? the 50% ? Scientology is not a magic word. Abracadabra and voila!!!! Sorry, have have to do the 50% of the work. I know this is very cruel especially for those believing in fairytale. Scientology word doesn't do the trick so it doesn't work. What exactly did it or didn't it work? That is the question. For those who want chaos (OSA) don't bother. For those who gave up do not spread about things that yourselves cannot apply it. For those who are not sure find a piece of tech that you can apply and works and carry on from there. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!

Whatever. :eyeroll:
 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
Yah, it's pretty amazing how hubbard turned Hill's writings into a cult, or a group, and calling it his philosophy.

Hubbard was smart.

He turned Hill's work into a money making scheme in the end.

Which of course tony robbins does the same, as well as many others.

They all just took a part of what Hill wrote and capitalized on it.

Yes - so true! ^^^

The difference between Hubbard and Tony Robins and others is that Tony Robins and others don't fleece their members out of their last dime,

get the members into debt they can't get out,

convince them to sign lawyered up contracts after lying to them about the SP's out to get em, never spend money on anything...just sit on billions of dollars and plead "POOR" and make the members pay for everything,

convince them to sign BILLION year contracts and provide SLAVE LABOR for the cult,

have a "leader" that lives a "HIDDEN" lavish lifestyle from the slaves that serve him.

When it does not work - (and it won't because Scientology does not like bright and strong people - Scientology get's rid of them) - IT IS YOUR FAULT and never Scientology!!

Scientology is one of the worst mind controlling cults of the century. The damage is hidden because no one can talk about it. If they do.....:nervous::nervous::nervous::nervous: Scientology inflicts ultimate pain upon the victims!
 

Operating Wog

Patron with Honors
A big reason that Scientology still exists, keeps existing members and is able to get new members, is that there is some truth in it and benefit from doing it. If it were totally false and completely destructive, virtually nobody would be involved. Communication, responsibility, ARC, tone scale, ethics, conditions of existence, etc. all have bits of truth in them and the application of them can result in improvement.

The fatal error is saying, "well, this bit works and that bit seems true, and this process helped me, so all of Scientology technology must be true."

Scientology is a whole mess of "knowledge" and practices gathered from all kinds of different earlier practices, all stirred in together with a whole bunch of new codification and processes by Hubbard and then altered/purified over the years by Miscavige et al. If you're in, you have to buy the whole package. If you're out, you're free to throw it all away or keep the bits you found useful.

I opted to throw it all away and find my own knowledge. If various pieces coincide with various Scn basics, so be it.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Secret footage of IAS events past

[video=youtube;7ceLnMT0rps]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ceLnMT0rps[/video]

A big reason that Scientology still exists, keeps existing members and is able to get new members, is that there is some truth in it and benefit from doing it. If it were totally false and completely destructive, virtually nobody would be involved. Communication, responsibility, ARC, tone scale, ethics, conditions of existence, etc. all have bits of truth in them and the application of them can result in improvement.

The fatal error is saying, "well, this bit works and that bit seems true, and this process helped me, so all of Scientology technology must be true."

Scientology is a whole mess of "knowledge" and practices gathered from all kinds of different earlier practices, all stirred in together with a whole bunch of new codification and processes by Hubbard and then altered/purified over the years by Miscavige et al. If you're in, you have to buy the whole package. If you're out, you're free to throw it all away or keep the bits you found useful.

I opted to throw it all away and find my own knowledge. If various pieces coincide with various Scn basics, so be it.
 
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