PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL !!!!

[john reguerra]

Hi, John. Thanks for responding. I was, after I left CofS, into the freezone and was an Indie- and even came up with that term, which later went viral. Though I would guess that someone else would have come up with it eventually. So I've been there. I studied Scn in CofS. I studied it outside of CofS. Although not all non CofS Scientologists believe that the writings and other works of Hubbard are fine and that the problem is only David Miscavige, still, obviously, quite a few of them do think that. I never ever thought that, even when I was studying in the Freezone. I liked doing that, I don't regret it, and I wouldn't rule out getting auditing again though I no longer consider myself to be a Scientologist. So no bad experiences here, really, tech wise. But as I mention, I have never thought that everything was just peachy til DM took over. There are a lot of not very nice things in Hubbard's writings. Not reporting PTSness is a crime. Freeloader debts. The RPF. The RPF's RPF. Having to be on a routing form to get to leave staff. (No one should EVER have to ask to leave.) He did overboarding. All kinds of stuff. I do think that DM is worse than Hubbard in many respects, but, to me, he took an already bad situation and made it worse. As for the "tech", I think parts of it are better than other parts of it and that each person should decide for him or herself. There is no "tech" after Hubbard stopped writing it. Anything that's really tech or policy is stuff he authored, the good, the bad, the ugly, the true and the false. Anything DM came up with is stuff DM came up with. That being said, I do not let Hubbard off the hook. With all his wittering about destroying enemies and disconnection and freeloader debts and treatment of staff and reporting on people and RPFing people and heads on a pike, he's got a lot to answer for. I don't think it's mitigated by the techniques such as word clearing, TRs and auditing- all of which I think have helped some people (though not to the extent claimed). The reason I say this is that there's been a lot of suffering at the hands of Hubbard, Mary Sue and people working for them, past and present. Miss Wog isn't applying any tech. She's posting on a forum. Just like you and me.

Hi Claire, Lets evaluate exactly the data and not the propaganda. I am talking about the Tech LRH with all his team ( there was quite few people helping on the research ) researched. What exactly need to be evaluate is the Tech he wrote. You may find the Tech in the Tech volumes, Green volumes, all the conferences and the SHSBC prior Mr DM and company came along to edit the Tech. If you really study this tape as an example SHSBC-135 THE OVERT–MOTIVATOR SEQUENCE (please not the edited one ) the concept is not exactly the overt motivator sequence you found in the HCOB. Why? Another example - why the Original OT4,5,6,7 have been set aside from DM? Do you know what these are? I do not care less what LRH has done, in his free time or to enjoy him self dope, woman, SO schedules and all this no sense. What DM is doing to his staff I really do not care either it is their problems. But I am concern what he has done and continuing doing with LRH Tech . You know KSW series 1 point 1.

 

[Veda]

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Another example - why the Original OT4,5,6,7 have been set aside from [by?] DM?

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Is it the Ron's Orgs view that it was Hubbard who downgraded 'Clear' and butchered the middle Grade Chart, but that it wasn't Hubbard who changed the upper Grade Chart?

It's kind of funny that you find one tolerable (butchering middle Grade Chart) but not the other (removing upper Grade Chart), but it seems to be a matter of what you've been told by Ron's Orgs.

Watch out for those 200,000 Markabians!

 

[john reguerra]

Seriously? Does this guy not know who Tory is? Does any ex-Scn not know who Tory is? Good grief this is ridiculous.. Still following the scripture, unadulterated or not, I can't believe this dude doesn't know Magoo.. If he doesn't he lives under a rock with a shitty cell phone or tablet and needs to go back into his cave for some more auditing on his whole track..come back next time with some paragraphs or something.. What's my ruin? Trolls! Like this. keep it up John, you make $cientology with or without LRH look awesome!

Here again!!!! I love your style!! Please tell me that you have talked at least to one OT 8 and he/she said that is fully satisfied to have achieved fully amnesia no partially amnesia well I remember my name does it count? YES attest OT VIII. Exaggerated? Not really. That is the concept I gave to Tory/Magoo. But you have a problem with it? Why?

 

[MissWog]

Hi Claire, Lets evaluate exactly the data and not the propaganda. I am talking about the Tech LRH with all his team ( there was quite few people helping on the research ) researched. What exactly need to be evaluate is the Tech he wrote. You may find the Tech in the Tech volumes, Green volumes, all the conferences and the SHSBC prior Mr DM and company came along to edit the Tech. If you really study this tape as an example SHSBC-135 THE OVERT–MOTIVATOR SEQUENCE (please not the edited one ) the concept is not exactly the overt motivator sequence you found in the HCOB. Why? Another example - why the Original OT4,5,6,7 have been set aside from DM? Do you know what these are? I do not care less what LRH has done, in his free time or to enjoy him self dope, woman, SO schedules and all this no sense. What DM is doing to his staff I really do not care either it is their problems. But I am concern what he has done and continuing doing with LRH Tech . You know KSW series 1 point 1.

Well I had you all wrong! Here I thought you were at least trying to save the planet and help people. Turns out you are a good selfish Scientologist who doesn't give a shit about other people being abused and taken advantage of.. This is wonderful John, you are exactally the kind of humanitarian LRH wanted you to be. Congratulations, and good on you to Keep Scientology Working! You make it look great

 

[john reguerra]

Is it the Ron's Orgs view that it was Hubbard who downgraded 'Clear' and butchered the middle Grade Chart, but that it wasn't Hubbard who changed the upper Grade Chart? It's kind of funny that you find one tolerable (butchering middle Grade Chart) but not the other (removing upper Grade Chart), but it seems to be a matter of what you've been told by Ron's Orgs. Watch out for those 200,000 Markabians!

Hey Mr Veda!! You did not answer my last question. "Please answer my question not Q&A Have you done anything with Marianne Hagen? If no why are you suggesting that I contact them? "

 

[Veda]

Hey Mr Veda!! You did not answer my last question. "Please answer my question not Q&A Have you done anything with Marianne Hagen? If no why are you suggesting that I contact them? "

Obviously you've been attempting to contact her. I took pity on you and provided a suggestion that might assist you in your desire to connect with Source, who's waiting for you at the other end of the Ron's Org Bridge.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Hi Claire, Lets evaluate exactly the data and not the propaganda. I am talking about the Tech LRH with all his team ( there was quite few people helping on the research ) researched. What exactly need to be evaluate is the Tech he wrote. You may find the Tech in the Tech volumes, Green volumes, all the conferences and the SHSBC prior Mr DM and company came along to edit the Tech. If you really study this tape as an example SHSBC-135 THE OVERT–MOTIVATOR SEQUENCE (please not the edited one ) the concept is not exactly the overt motivator sequence you found in the HCOB. Why? Another example - why the Original OT4,5,6,7 have been set aside from DM? Do you know what these are? I do not care less what LRH has done, in his free time or to enjoy him self dope, woman, SO schedules and all this no sense. What DM is doing to his staff I really do not care either it is their problems. But I am concern what he has done and continuing doing with LRH Tech . You know KSW series 1 point 1.

I don't think LRH was always right, though. I think he authored some really abusive policies. And I don't think KSW is so hot, either.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Lets take this slowly. NOTs does not handle the case for whatever mechanical reason. Tank you!!! Finally one person with some R. Now you have done Excalibur (formerly called Super-NOTs) for about 1 year but did it worked . Please honest answer.

Yes it did.

Helena

 

[john reguerra]

Well I had you all wrong! Here I thought you were at least trying to save the planet and help people. Turns out you are a good selfish Scientologist who doesn't give a shit about other people being abused and taken advantage of.. This is wonderful John, you are exactally the kind of humanitarian LRH wanted you to be. Congratulations, and good on you to Keep Scientology Working! You make it look great

MissWog, You are catching on!! Very well done. 1.Q. Turns out you are a good selfish Scientologist who doesn't give a shit about other people being abused and taken advantage of. A. These people whom are abused are fully aware that that is not Scientology procedure. But they do not complain actually they abuse their own juniors as motivator. They are abusing themselves They got the PTS Tech. Wait a minute, PTS Tech? no they do not have it. They helped to edit that as well, and guess what they are the people who need it the most. Karma? No overt motivator sequence. 2.Q.you are exactally the kind of humanitarian LRH wanted you to be. A. I never said that I am humanitarian! Christ? yes he was one !! 3.Q. Congratulations, and good on you to Keep Scientology Working! A. What exactly as to do KSW ? You are talking about those Int and Ex-Int staff and Exec who have edit the full Tech. Have messed up thousand of people, stole their money and when they refused to pay more and/or ask questions they have been SP declared routed out and disconnected from their family. Those are the abused ones not The Int and Ex-Int staff they are the abuser. MissWog PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL !!!! Do not confuse the issue here. I know it is your style but maybe you can change it.

 

[john reguerra]

Obviously you've been attempting to contact her. I took pity on you and provided a suggestion that might assist you in your desire to connect with Source, who's waiting for you at the other end of the Ron's Org Bridge.

Again Q&A!! What it is the matter with you? Simple question simple answer OK? It is not difficult. The question is : Have you done anything with Marianne Hagen? If no why are you suggesting that I contact them? " No additions !!!

 

[Panda Termint]

Truthful commentary on this thread; watching someone trying to get the toothpaste back into the tube is funny for just so long.

 

[Veda]

Again Q&A!! What it is the matter with you? Simple question simple answer OK? It is not difficult. The question is : Have you done anything with Marianne Hagen?

I knew her. She was a tech person and Ron's Orger. That's all you need to know.

If no why are you suggesting that I contact them? " No additions !!!

Don't contact her for all I care. She's probably checked you on her e-meter and you 'read' on 'Markabian agent', so she's avoiding you.

Now buzz off. I've decided you're a waste of time.

 

[john reguerra]

I knew her. She was a tech person and Ron's Orger. That's all you need to know. Don't contact her for all I care. She's probably checked you on her e-meter and you 'read' on 'Markabian agent', so she's avoiding you. Now buzz off. I've decided you're a waste of time.

Mr Veda, Again Q&A You have not answer the question. The question is : Have you done anything with Marianne Hagen. I did not ask you if you knew her. Okay! Answer this simple question 2nd Question is : If no why are you suggesting that I contact them? I did not ask your permission to contact her. Please answer the question.