PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL !!!!

[john reguerra]

Here is what yoiu are missing, kid. If one achieves this "state" of " OT " one is "cause", correct ? Let's go a step farther on the " grade chart " and look at the " ep of OT 7 " - "cause over life:, right ? Now riddle me this : One is OT 7 BUT can be " PTS " ? Uh how so ? " PTS " per tech is one mus " handle or disconnect " & that, kid, has implicite in it that one is "EFFECT" of the "SP". Yet "OT 7's & OT8's" are pulled into "ethics" due to "church" has decided opps DISCOVERED so & so is an "SP" and the "OT has to "handle or disconnect". But what about those who done their " L's " and "it is not technically impossible for them to be PTS" ? Yet they go home from the L's & have a horse fall on 'em ? Or get cancer & die ? Or go gome and get their fortune swindled from them ? ( All instances I have personal - not hearsay - experience of knowing the people it happened to ). The " church" decides and artist is an " SP ". I don't personally the artist but did own a piece of his art work. Due to him being an "SP" I was told ( at that wonderful "mecca of technical perfection ") Flag by the MAA that I could NOT have his artwork displayed - as it was - on a wall in my home as that " was supporting an SP " & I couldn't sell it either as that was " promoting an SP " which would make me unwelcome at Flag. ( That is no shit folks - true story ! ) This PTS/ SP stuff, for the most part, is more control BS to keep the sheep in the flock. Now, since there was life on this planet most people manage to figure out there can be somebody we are better off not being around so we exclude them from our cicrle of friends & associates. And, yeah, some people are so crushed, beaten, down trodden that they need some help from somebody else to help them stop asssociating with people who hurt them. But, c'mon, the "church of scn" hardly " pulled that off the whole track ( etc BS )". scn would like to patent & trademark common sense - LOL ! Anyway, the mosty Part of PTS/SP is a control mechanism & it doesn't even make sense in the context of what they are selling to their " parishners" for tens of thousands of dollars. And, apperantly to a scn'gist the most fearsome thing ever is an SP. Think about it. It's crazy cult stuff that makes no sense in the light of day.

OK Auditor's Toad;897669. Cool down!! okay? One by one 1st. The Church of Scientology does not have the Bridge. This means that from late 70's a) Int Management ripe off the Church from LRH b) SP declare all of those loyal to LRH. c) Declared all of those who knew how to deliver the Bridge. d) Put untrained people i/c of the full Bridge. e) A repair OT level become a full new OT 4,5,6,7 . After all of this how you can expect that it works? You are right it does not work. I am fully with you. Please do not put any specifics of real life on this board !!!! My purpose here is to get at least 10% of you to look for the Bridge. Believe me is out there exist works, stop all the bull about all those little SP . The SP restimolate you but does not have other powers over you. The tech is simple handle or disconnect that is it. The Church to sell something that does not work ( OT 4,5,6,7 Ls revised ) must create an environment of fear, no communication between OTs ( confidential case data) , follow Int management orders, in other words conform or you are out for eternity. Let assume that the Tech was working you can talk with OT case, wins, stories you do not like it? the answer would be okay! that was it. No other handling needed. You are free to decide with your head. You are free to change, to quit to do what ever you like. Why because the tech works and if you want to be free you need to apply the tech no body will force you to comply. See that is the LRH Tech. He never put a gun over my head to comply .Why should I put one over yours. The Church with all of those must is not LRH Intention. That is just Int Management Intention, but it doesn't means freedom it does means however conform or no Bridge. Good news the Bridge exist!!!! I do not know where are you on the Bridge but if you are on NOTs the EP of that level is freedom of all those stuff with no attention on. I know it is difficult to establish it but when is done you know it. All of OT 7 and 8 completion you know what it is it! If you do not know or have some disagreement well in that case is not completed is it? Have a nice day

 

[john reguerra]

Oh, you haven't read enough of what the old boy said. Wait 'til you get where your mentor says " As close as you can come to God is knowing yourself ". Not sure how you get from what the oold man said and others experienced on what is called OT 8 - can you explain that leaf as I must confess I could not follow that leap you made.

You are quoting all the bull from gold!!! THAT IS NOT THE ORIGINALS !!! THESE ARE JUST THE EDITED VERSIONS FROM YOUR MASTER, SIR AND GOD (ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion) . It is very very sad to know that the "Bridge" is there. But you Mr Auditor's Toad;897665 can't do it because your lord cannot afford to expose to you that the Bridge doesn't work and he needs you to carry on the scam. Between me and you where are you on the Bridge? I bet Clear or below. have a nice day

 

[Veda]

-snip-

from late 70's a) Int Management ripe off the Church from LRH b) SP declare all of those loyal to LRH. c) Declared all of those who knew how to deliver the Bridge. d) Put untrained people i/c of the full Bridge. e) A repair OT level become a full new OT 4,5,6,7 .

Where are you getting this revisionist history?

It was Hubbard who changed both the middle (PP -CC) and the upper (OT 4 - 7) Grade Chart in the late 1970s.

Hubbard not only SP Declared David Mayo, he had Mayo kidnapped and taken to the desert where, per his C/Ses, Mayo was told to run around a pole.

Hubbard promised 15 OT levels after OT 7. There are none.

He lied.

The old OT levels (OT 4 -7) did not work. Old OT 8, advertized for years, never existed.

You're living in a make-believe world.

My purpose here is to get at least 10% of you to look for the Bridge.

-snip-

the tech works and if you want to be free you need to apply the tech

-snip-

Suggestion: Write in paragraphs. That is, if you want anyone to read your manic spiel.

 

[john reguerra]

Where are you getting this revisionist history? It was Hubbard who changed both the middle (PP -CC) and the upper (OT 4 - 7) Grade Chart in the late 1970s. Hubbard not only SP Declared David Mayo, he had Mayo kidnapped and taken to the desert where, per his C/Ses, Mayo was told to run around a pole. Hubbard promised 15 OT levels after OT 7. There are none. He lied. The old OT levels (OT 4 -7) did not work. Old OT 8, advertized for years, never existed. You're living in a make-believe world. Suggestion: Write in paragraphs. That is, if you want anyone to read your manic spiel.

Hi Veda !! I pleased to know yours views! Lets pretend that you really know what exactly means been at few yards from LRH. If I said to you verbally that LRH (being just at next office from you) wants you to go to LA to investigate a crash on the delivery in ASHO. What do you do? A. Go to LRH asking if is true? B . doing it? If you did not ask LRH How do you know from where the order came from? All this stuff you are saying Mr perfect have you asked personally to LRH? Has he acknowledged ? Well Mr perfect I do believe that you have not clue what exactly means leaving near a power and having not Cojones. Have a nice day and thanks for yours enlightenment views.

 

[Veda]

-snip-

I finished my Comm course in the 80'shhh.

-snip-

I finished my Comm course in June 1970.

The old OT levels didn't work. I was there. You were not.

Complete original OT levels - in Hubbard's handwriting - have been floating around outside of the CofS since the early 1980s.

Why haven't you done them and become OT?

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

We sincerely need an ESMB crazy-box-basement like the WWP Dome, really, we do This has been a sci-troll thread from the very begining imho, I mean its all nice to have a pet sci-troll engage and all that, but this one just keeps repeating all the crap most know already, even never-ins like me. It is boring, inane, proven utterly delusional, and boring... oh wait, did I mention it was boring?
It is kinda like debating someone at the very back of the 'special bus', ain't getting them to open that ol' rear exit door any time soon.

Regardless of my own personal opinions, I bear them/it/she/he no ill will, and wish who ever it is a safe exit and speedy recovery.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

 

[john reguerra]

Where are you getting this revisionist history? It was Hubbard who changed both the middle (PP -CC) and the upper (OT 4 - 7) Grade Chart in the late 1970s. Hubbard not only SP Declared David Mayo, he had Mayo kidnapped and taken to the desert where, per his C/Ses, Mayo was told to run around a pole. Hubbard promised 15 OT levels after OT 7. There are none. He lied. The old OT levels (OT 4 -7) did not work. Old OT 8, advertized for years, never existed. You're living in a make-believe world. Suggestion: Write in paragraphs. That is, if you want anyone to read your manic spiel.

Hi there, 1.Q. It was Hubbard who changed both the middle (PP -CC) and the upper (OT 4 - 7) Grade Chart in the late 1970s. A. The Grade chart has been changed in the 80's. 2. Q Hubbard not only SP Declared David Mayo, he had Mayo kidnapped and taken to the desert where, per his C/Ses, Mayo was told to run around a pole. A. The true is that in 1981 Mayo received a detailed letter from LRH assigning him the Tech hats for the next 20-25 years as LRH was planning on leaving his body. But Mayo was SP declare by the new management after LRH was not available to staff and public. 3. Q Hubbard promised 15 OT levels after OT 7. There are none. A. Hubbard notes were at Int. What the new management has done with it? For your info the OT levels are here in this planet. You have a choice to make. 1. Be in apathy and make guilty others for your condition. 2. Knock off all this make wrong and look for yourself where is the Bridge. When you complete NOTs for real, you feel active and not with a sense of no purpose in life.If you are not on NOTs or completed ask to any NOTs there to have a confirmation. Veda have a nice day and do not spread lies about LRH.

 

[He-man]

Hi John!

A. The true is that in 1981 Mayo received a detailed letter from LRH assigning him the Tech hats for the next 20-25 years as LRH was planning on leaving his body. But Mayo was SP declare by the new management after LRH was not available to staff and public.

How do you know this to be true? Were you there? Did you see or hear Ron writing or giving this order?

A. Hubbard notes were at Int. What the new management has done with it?

How do you know this to be true? Have you seen Ron write these said notes, and have you seen them stored at Int.?

For your info the OT levels are here in this planet. You have a choice to make. 1. Be in apathy and make guilty others for your condition. 2. Knock off all this make wrong and look for yourself where is the Bridge. When you complete NOTs for real, you feel active and not with a sense of no purpose in life.If you are not on NOTs or completed ask to any NOTs there to have a confirmation. Veda have a nice day and do not spread lies about LRH.

Good to know that the OT levels are on this planet, and not on Jupiter. It'd be hard to get them if they were on Jupiter with our current degraded level of technology. If not on Jupiter I'd hope thay are on Mars, they were not on the Moon last time the Operandi were there, and it looks like there's a mission to Mars going off soon. I wonder why...

But then again, that;s not a problem, as the OT levels are on this planet, I mean, think BIG, THIS planet. Within reach for any SP organization or Thetans in good stanidng with Ron.

RON!

I still think it'd be a better idea to hide them on Venus, but I can see that the technology to ensure that the OT levels don't erode might not have been avaiable at the time. Just look how far behind we were on the teeth tech.

Anyways, I still wonder how it comes that you know how the OT levels are on THIS planet, did Ron tell you in person? He never told me. I'm 100.1% sure he'd tell me something like that, I mean he DID send me a birthday card when I was born and I sometimes wonder if he wrote me there where the OT levels are, I mean it is extremely proven that he wrote those Birthday cards in person.

I am also NOTS by the way, so I KNOW what I am talking about.

Anyways, John have a nice day and do not spread lies about LRH.

Kind regards
He-man
I have the power, etc..
Master of Grayskull etc..

 

[Veda]

Re: PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL !!!! ON THIS PLANET!!!!

Hi there, 1.Q. It was Hubbard who changed both the middle (PP -CC) and the upper (OT 4 - 7) Grade Chart in the late 1970s. A. The Grade chart has been changed in the 80's. 2. Q Hubbard not only SP Declared David Mayo, he had Mayo kidnapped and taken to the desert where, per his C/Ses, Mayo was told to run around a pole. A. The true is that in 1981 Mayo received a detailed letter from LRH assigning him the Tech hats for the next 20-25 years as LRH was planning on leaving his body. But Mayo was SP declare by the new management after LRH was not available to staff and public. 3. Q Hubbard promised 15 OT levels after OT 7. There are none. A. Hubbard notes were at Int. What the new management has done with it? For your info the OT levels are here in this planet. You have a choice to make. 1. Be in apathy and make guilty others for your condition. 2. Knock off all this make wrong and look for yourself where is the Bridge. When you complete NOTs for real, you feel active and not with a sense of no purpose in life.If you are not on NOTs or completed ask to any NOTs there to have a confirmation. Veda have a nice day and do not spread lies about LRH.

It was Hubbard who changed the Grade Chart, middle and upper, during the time that David Mayo was Senior Case Supervisor International. It was Hubbard who ordered that David Mayo be kidnapped and sent to the desert and told to run around a pole, then SP Declared, etc. That's according to David Mayo, but you know better.

David Mayo says that Hubbard changed the 'tech' for 'PR and marketing' reasons.​

I asked you before, if you think so highly of the OT levels, WHY DON'T YOU DO THEM? Old OT 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 have been floating around outside of the CofS for over thirty years. You can even find them on the NET. WHY aren't you in session?

 

[john reguerra]

Hi John! How do you know this to be true? Were you there? Did you see or hear Ron writing or giving this order? How do you know this to be true? Have you seen Ron write these said notes, and have you seen them stored at Int.? Good to know that the OT levels are on this planet, and not on Jupiter. It'd be hard to get them if they were on Jupiter with our current degraded level of technology. If not on Jupiter I'd hope thay are on Mars, they were not on the Moon last time the Operandi were there, and it looks like there's a mission to Mars going off soon. I wonder why... But then again, that;s not a problem, as the OT levels are on this planet, I mean, think BIG, THIS planet. Within reach for any SP organization or Thetans in good stanidng with Ron. RON! I still think it'd be a better idea to hide them on Venus, but I can see that the technology to ensure that the OT levels don't erode might not have been avaiable at the time. Just look how far behind we were on the teeth tech. Anyways, I still wonder how it comes that you know how the OT levels are on THIS planet, did Ron tell you in person? He never told me. I'm 100.1% sure he'd tell me something like that, I mean he DID send me a birthday card when I was born and I sometimes wonder if he wrote me there where the OT levels are, I mean it is extremely proven that he wrote those Birthday cards in person. I am also NOTS by the way, so I KNOW what I am talking about. Anyways, John have a nice day and do not spread lies about LRH. Kind regards He-man I have the power, etc.. Master of Grayskull etc..

Hi there!! I am not sure if you are really so naive or are you playing games? 1.How do you know this to be true? Were you there? Did you see or hear Ron writing or giving this order? - Have you studied anything in Scientology? PDC? Human ability? ARC KRC ? Have you done any OT levels? What is the diference Of life forms and MEST? 2. How do you know this to be true? -Have you seen Ron write these said notes, and have you seen them stored at Int.? Have you studied the normal materials that he wrote? You can find them in the net as well. 3. Good to know that the OT levels are on this planet, and not on Jupiter. It'd be hard to get them if they were on Jupiter with our current degraded level of technology. If not on Jupiter I'd hope thay are on Mars, they were not on the Moon last time the Operandi were there, and it looks like there's a mission to Mars going off soon. I wonder why... - OK to find somenthing at least you need to be aware of what are you looking for. I am sorry I did not calculate this to be a problem but it is. 4. I am also NOTS by the way, so I KNOW what I am talking about. - ok you are NOTs why you have all those masses floting around? If you have done NOTs in the Church or in the Indipendent field from those who learned NOTs in the Church you have those and other problems . Period. All the materials have been published the problems is to put those materials in the right seguence to do the right OT level and you have no problems. Your NOTs has more Scientology technology in it than NOTs I hope this answer your question.

 

[Claire Swazey]

I think that people on fora such as this don't always think about the fact that they are talking to other living breathing human beings with feelings and, thus, aren't always as tactful as they would be in an IRL situation or any other where they actually knew the person.

John evidently still finds value and interest in Scn techniques and concepts. Now, before anyone rolls their eyes and sneers, think about this: most of the exes here were in CofS for years and years. So it's obviously difficult to leave. To leave the methodology as well as CofS, Inc, one would need to change their mind about the beliefs. That's not always a slam dunk.

I've seen so many people over the years say about or to Scientologists that they should be able to see that Scn doesn't do this or that, that Hubbard lied, etc. But hey, many people say that stuff about Xtians, too, right? Has anyone read Christopher Hitchens' comment about people exclaiming over the rainbow at Tim Russert's memorial service? It was pretty cutting and pithy. I could tell that, to him, it was so obvious that there is no god, no spirituality, no omens, no signs. Do you think he converted very many people from Xtianity? I don't! I think most true believers who read his stuff thought "Wow, sour grapes." Or "What a dick."

Why would this be any different? I've yet to see a burning bush (bad jokes and puns aside- I mean an Old Testament sort. I know you guys have dirty minds cuz I'm no different. ), I've yet to see an angel, or a vision. I also don't believe in the golden tablets or the Angel Moroni. But if anyone thinks I'm going to try to convert my Christian friends or my Mormon/Christian friend, they got another think coming. And you know, even if I tried, if I were to say the sorts of things He Man and others are saying here to John (though tailored for a different belief system) I doubt that I'd be successful.

Skeptics and exes and "bitter defrocked apostates" (that's not a swipe, by the way- I definitely qualify as such myself) tend to be rather evangelical. It seems to bother some of them when someone still professes Scn when the skeptics, exes, etc, know better. So they think "hey, why can't that guy?" Well, it's for the same reason most true believers tended to roll their eyes at Christopher Hitchens.

Of course, I'm probably a bit softer and less annoyed by this sort of thing than some of my friends in the critics scene are. But I have my moments, too. For me, the line in the sand is evidence of the cult's wrongdoing and people who do not listen or pay attention, even after it happened to them or they witnessed it. But you know, the true believer thing is the true believer thing- it's kind of a different situation.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Hi there!! I am not sure if you are really so naive or are you playing games? 1.How do you know this to be true? Were you there? Did you see or hear Ron writing or giving this order? - Have you studied anything in Scientology? PDC? Human ability? ARC KRC ? Have you done any OT levels? What is the diference Of life forms and MEST? 2. How do you know this to be true? -Have you seen Ron write these said notes, and have you seen them stored at Int.? Have you studied the normal materials that he wrote? You can find them in the net as well. 3. Good to know that the OT levels are on this planet, and not on Jupiter. It'd be hard to get them if they were on Jupiter with our current degraded level of technology. If not on Jupiter I'd hope thay are on Mars, they were not on the Moon last time the Operandi were there, and it looks like there's a mission to Mars going off soon. I wonder why... - OK to find somenthing at least you need to be aware of what are you looking for. I am sorry I did not calculate this to be a problem but it is. 4. I am also NOTS by the way, so I KNOW what I am talking about. - ok you are NOTs why you have all those masses floting around? If you have done NOTs in the Church or in the Indipendent field from those who learned NOTs in the Church you have those and other problems . Period. All the materials have been published the problems is to put those materials in the right seguence to do the right OT level and you have no problems. Your NOTs has more Scientology technology in it than NOTs I hope this answer your question.

It's cuz both of you have a very definite viewpoint of things that seem very obvious to you and not to the other person.

 

[He-man]

Hi there!! I am not sure if you are really so naive or are you playing games?

It depends on what viewpoint you hold I suppose. I believe that among a lot of different valences I hold, being naive and playing games are two of them. In present time I am serious, but in a very playful way.

Have you studied anything in Scientology? PDC? Human ability? ARC KRC ? Have you done any OT levels? What is the difference Of life forms and MEST?

I don't understand why you didn't answer my question, following up with a counter-question is not a valid 2 way comm cycle. It does remind me of the old and tiresome repetitive measure Scientology clones use, attack, always attacj, never defend.

Have you studied the normal materials that he wrote? You can find them in the net as well.

Flunk! you did it again!

OK to find something at least you need to be aware of what are you looking for. I am sorry I did not calculate this to be a problem but it is.

Well I suppose it is always a matter of what you hold to be truth, If you feel that there is truth in the statement, "the OT materials are on Earth" then I suppose that for anyone that hold that to be the truth, it would explain so many things, like why there is a war in Syria.

ok you are NOTs why you have all those masses floating around? If you have done NOTs in the Church or in the Independent field from those who learned NOTs in the Church you have those and other problems . Period. All the materials have been published the problems is to put those materials in the right sequence to do the right OT level and you have no problems. Your NOTs has more Scientology technology in it than NOTs I hope this answer your question.

Who gets to decide this? You?
So because you say that NOTs has to be done in a particular way, "uncorrupted" by the "church", or by anyone who learnt it in the "church", otherwise it is invalid. I disagree, you don't get to say anything the like of that in my reality.

I think that people on fora such as this don't always think about the fact that they are talking to other living breathing human beings with feelings and, thus, aren't always as tactful as they would be in an IRL situation or any other where they actually knew the person.

John evidently still finds value and interest in Scn techniques and concepts. Now, before anyone rolls their eyes and sneers, think about this: most of the exes here were in CofS for years and years. So it's obviously difficult to leave. To leave the methodology as well as CofS, Inc, one would need to change their mind about the beliefs. That's not always a slam dunk.

I've seen so many people over the years say about or to Scientologists that they should be able to see that Scn doesn't do this or that, that Hubbard lied, etc. But hey, many people say that stuff about Xtians, too, right? Has anyone read Christopher Hitchens' comment about people exclaiming over the rainbow at Tim Russert's memorial service? It was pretty cutting and pithy. I could tell that, to him, it was so obvious that there is no god, no spirituality, no omens, no signs. Do you think he converted very many people from Xtianity? I don't! I think most true believers who read his stuff thought "Wow, sour grapes." Or "What a dick."

Why would this be any different? I've yet to see a burning bush (bad jokes and puns aside- I mean an Old Testament sort. I know you guys have dirty minds cuz I'm no different. ), I've yet to see an angel, or a vision. I also don't believe in the golden tablets or the Angel Moroni. But if anyone thinks I'm going to try to convert my Christian friends or my Mormon/Christian friend, they got another think coming. And you know, even if I tried, if I were to say the sorts of things He Man and others are saying here to John (though tailored for a different belief system) I doubt that I'd be successful.

Skeptics and exes and "bitter defrocked apostates" (that's not a swipe, by the way- I definitely qualify as such myself) tend to be rather evangelical. It seems to bother some of them when someone still professes Scn when the skeptics, exes, etc, know better. So they think "hey, why can't that guy?" Well, it's for the same reason most true believers tended to roll their eyes at Christopher Hitchens.

Of course, I'm probably a bit softer and less annoyed by this sort of thing than some of my friends in the critics scene are. But I have my moments, too. For me, the line in the sand is evidence of the cult's wrongdoing and people who do not listen or pay attention, even after it happened to them or they witnessed it. But you know, the true believer thing is the true believer thing- it's kind of a different situation.

What you see as offensive, I take it, even though I think John is able to hold his own in an argument, I see as educational. Also, what on earth is an Xtian? I've missed that cult.

It's cuz both of you have a very definite viewpoint of things that seem very obvious to you and not to the other person.

Dudess, I don't hold a definite viewpoint, It's extremely changeable.

 

[MissWog]

Claire,
I just don't know what to think of John! He is either trolling with his non-stop questions and arguing using questions to invalidate anything anyone else says, I don't see one second of conversation here. Or he is off his rocker, mad, suffering from some delusion that his purpose in life is to come here and scream at us that we would just understand if we did Scn the old fashioned way. Seriously, the guy talks about LRH like he is some kind of higher power omnipotent god.
My question is WHY? Is he here to convert us? He is not very good at it so I have to assume he is either a nutters or a troll..but what kind of troll? Hmmmmm

I know I'm kinda being rude but I have to laugh at this point bc there is zero real conversation happening with him. He doesn't acknowledge or answer any questions or give any sense as to who he is..plus the formatting of his posts make his ramblings even harder to decipher. I took the time last week to read every post he has ever made.. Seriously, I don't understand what his goal here, is at all, and I have TRIED!

So now I just have to laugh..can't help it!

 

[ThetanExterior]

I haven't responded to any of this guy's posts because he doesn't seem to be engaging in a two-way conversation. He's just telling us that this is the way things are.

Maybe he needs to do the Comm Course.

 

[Auditor's Toad]

I look at the request " PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL" !!!!

as obviously made by a scientologist & have to laugh - at least to myself.

Whoever this poster is seems to miss many poster did much more of the "bridge" than the "NOTS" he mentions he has done.

For that matter there are some people here who were once considered very highly classed auditors who delivered thousands if not tens of thousands of hours of " VWD" auditing.

And some who did not only " NOTS " but ot7 & some did ot8

On top of that there are people here who spent actual face to face time with ron - and more than in just passing in the hall.

....and in regards to all that... this one asks " PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL !!!! "

The best I can muster for this is :

The excessive number of exclamation points pretty much tell the story.

And that kind of overdramatic expression is most often an immature teenage girl not a man.

 

[MissWog]

Agreed with all the above
I guess it was a slow news day and I couldn't help myself.. Plus I found it very curious that John has two distinct writing styles going back to his joining and you never know which john is going to show up and dance. Split personality or two people sharing a login? You decide hahahaha

 

[George Layton]

I read his words and felt them bind the pieces of my puzzled mind.

I knew, as they fell into place, the answers for the human race.

The author he has long since gone. Left me his work to carry on.

I answered to his dying call to bring his vast knowledge to all.

Yet all the others do not see what he points out they ought to be.

They go on living their own lives; somehow the race prospers and thrives.

And all the answers that he left have set my life adrift, bereft.

I see now I’ve been a fool, all this while a dead man’s tool.

 

[Out-Ethics]

You got few questions. 1. Q. John, you are calling Scientology a science and right there that creates the fallacy. If Scientology is a science then why the religious aspect of it? 1. A= one definition of religion " Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe." Read Original thesis will give you the difference between life form in this planet. and the potential aspect of you!!!! 2. Q.When the noted professionals asked for the scientific proof there was none to be given 2.A= What proof do you need read DMSMH and all proof are there. The reactive mind and how it works and what you need to do to handle that. Do you need an explanation? Do you need any other scientific proof than that? read DMSMH if you have not done the PRD or the St Hat read it 3 times you will know what I am talking about. 3. Q. Hubbard wrote in KSW We will not speculate here on why this was so or how I came to rise above the bank . So yeah lets just take that at face value and not ask questions how he did it. Hubbard really is saying is that Scientology is magic because nothing can be proved. 3.A= If you read above books you may have an understanding about how the mind works. Scientology and Dianetics are two different Technologies. If you take any normal person or professionals how you call it and ask him to recall anything with some perceptions when this professional was 3 years old the answer will be.............. Scientology is not magic you have to apply it in your life to improve your life that is it. 4 Q. Not one clear, not one OT, not even a release. 4.A= I give you a name of a person that is not Clear, not OT not a release and he has not a bank, he has not an OT 3 case and not even an NOTs case. This person use the avatar out-ethics. If that is true why you do not relax, keep calm,be happy and do something more for survival for us all then write all this bull to invalidate any Clear out there. I do not care if you invalidate OT3 and your friend Xenu or whatever his name is (I never meet the man really I have not clue who he is many people here in this board seam they know him) or that you invalidate a NOts case they can handle it but a Clear please let him be and get him out from the non interference zone. Out ethics, this is not personal. Your problem is that Scientology really changed my life. I was a shame for my family down there now I am the rich family member in the North. I met family members that I did not know they existed, they all friends now. Yes Scienyology applied change your life. What LRH was or what he has done who give a s... what he gave to us doesn't have a price tag when fully applied. But you are right The Church and all those Int and ex-Int staff they do not apply Scientology. Please read,apply the tech and see for yourself.

So John what is it you are hoping prove here? Based on your answers you are either a troll of some sort or, I'm trying to put this in a civilized response, you are living in the reality of your own mind where only you have the answers yet nobody seems to share in that. You say my problem is Scientology really changed my life. It's not my problem because I really don't care how you live your life. I don't know you as you don't know me but I can base my observations of nearly 30 yrs in the church that Scientology did not deliver what was promised and not only but harmed a great majority of it's own parishioners. This is the same now as when Hubbard ran it so you cannot just blame DM and the current management. You are not convincing me or anybody else of your claims of how great Scientology is. Perhaps you are just happy bantering back and forth but as I see it you have added no value to this board other than others getting to poke fun at you.