PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL !!!!

[Udarnik]

Agreed with all the above
I guess it was a slow news day and I couldn't help myself.. Plus I found it very curious that John has two distinct writing styles going back to his joining and you never know which john is going to show up and dance. Split personality or two people sharing a login? You decide hahahaha

[video=youtube;Oik6dXm-0l0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oik6dXm-0l0[/video]

 

[Bill]

I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching . I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life. I realized that was up to me to apply it. It was up to me studying and applying it,and getting the benefit out of it. Because DM and all those Int and Ex Int staff fucked it up and continue to fuck it up ( ex-int also) doesn't mean that Scientology technology doesn't work. DM and ex-Int teaching do not work. Please be truthful about Scientology not for yourself but for those not so able to evaluate data. Scientology is 50% of application!!! If it does not work are you doing your part? the 50% ? Scientology is not a magic word. Abracadabra and voila!!!! Sorry, have have to do the 50% of the work. I know this is very cruel especially for those believing in fairytale. Scientology word doesn't do the trick so it doesn't work. What exactly did it or didn't it work? That is the question. For those who want chaos (OSA) don't bother. For those who gave up do not spread about things that yourselves cannot apply it. For those who are not sure find a piece of tech that you can apply and works and carry on from there. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!

Scientology is for losers. That wasn't obvious in the early days because "the tech was still being developed". But many years ago Hubbard declared the "tech was complete" and the "route was fully mapped".

And now we can all see the final results from Scientology. We can all see the ultimate results of "Release", "Clear" and "OT".

Nothing good. False data. "SPs". "The Great Psychiatric Conspiracy". Lower Conditions. Lies. Guilt. Greed. Abuse. Now we can all see that there have never, ever been any "Releases", "Clears" or "OTs".

So who still believes? Losers who can't face reality, can't observe the truth, can't use logic. Losers who seem to welcome the abysmal failures that are the only results Scientology produces. Losers, grasping at desperate straws. Believers.

Sorry John, but you did ask for the truth.

 

[john reguerra]

Who gets to decide this? You? So because you say that NOTs has to be done in a particular way, "uncorrupted" by the "church", or by anyone who learnt it in the "church", otherwise it is invalid. I disagree, you don't get to say anything the like of that in my reality. .

Hi He-man If I did not answer some of your questions it is because I did have nothing to answer. The point I want to make and I really would like that you understand is that I do not decide about your completion of your NOTs . I do not decide about all those things flying around you. I do not say the Church's NOTs is corrupted. I am saying that Church's NOTs (Indie included) does not work. Why? Google it and you will find the answer. There are quite a lot people in that sit. I had that sit. The diference between us is that I was looking to resolve the sit. You don't, in other words you stop looking ." In present time I am serious, but in a very playful way." Carry on and good luck!!!!!!

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Hi He-man If I did not answer some of your questions it is because I did have nothing to answer. The point I want to make and I really would like that you understand is that I do not decide about your completion of your NOTs . I do not decide about all those things flying around you. I do not say the Church's NOTs is corrupted. I am saying that Church's NOTs (Indie included) does not work. Why? Google it and you will find the answer. There are quite a lot people in that sit. I had that sit. The diference between us is that I was looking to resolve the sit. You don't, in other words you stop looking ." In present time I am serious, but in a very playful way." Carry on and good luck!!!!!!

john, i suspect if you hang around this board very long you might begin to suspect some posters are rather challenged by what is known as "duplication"

 

[freethinker]

What do you mean?

john, i suspect if you hang around this board very long you might begin to suspect some posters are rather challenged by what is known as "duplication"

 

[Bill]

john, i suspect if you hang around this board very long you might begin to suspect some posters are rather challenged by what is known as "duplication"

Ah, yes. "Duplication"!!

We love Scientology's wonderful concept of "duplication" which means, in real life, refusing to notice there are no "Releases", refusing to notice there are no "Clears", refusing to notice there are no "OTs", refusing to answer all those difficult questions, and blindly repeating the Scientology mantra "I am superior, they are SPs, I am superior, they are Enemies, I am superior because I are a Scientologist."

Yeah, "duplication" of L. Ron Hubbard (which means unquestioning belief) and absolute refusal to see the truth that is right there, staring you in the face. Yeah, that "duplication".

How unobservant and dull do you have to make yourself to master that kind of "duplication"?

 

[Knows]

Scientology is for losers. That wasn't obvious in the early days because "the tech was still being developed". But many years ago Hubbard declared the "tech was complete" and the "route was fully mapped".

And now we can all see the final results from Scientology. We can all see the ultimate results of "Release", "Clear" and "OT".

Nothing good. False data. "SPs". "The Great Psychiatric Conspiracy". Lower Conditions. Lies. Guilt. Greed. Abuse. Now we can all see that there have never, ever been any "Releases", "Clears" or "OTs".

So who still believes? Losers who can't face reality, can't observe the truth, can't use logic. Losers who seem to welcome the abysmal failures that are the only results Scientology produces. Losers, grasping at desperate straws. Believers.

Sorry John, but you did ask for the truth.

What did Hubbard say about "being right"? The people still in just have to be right - and I think they will die in the attempt! For those that are in and not willing to look at everything - they only hurt themselves and the few poor souls that may wander into the claws of the cult! Let them be right - all the way to the BANK!! They will get fleeced completely and then thrown out w/o sorrow!! Everyone is a loser who stays in the cult of Scientology, even Slappy Miscavige!! He will be the biggest loser of all - his future does not look too bright!

 

[Outethicsofficer]

Truthfully I got quite a lot of Scientology. Truthfully it cost me a lot not only in $ but also in terms of family, friends and time. Casting Diamonds to get peanuts. Not a worthwhile activity.

 

[Out-Ethics]

What amazes me is giving credit to a pathological liar who told the world he had the answers to going clear and OT yet there are no clears no OTs. Then the same people turn around and tell us this is workable technology. Really??? Hitler had workable technology too. He also has people thinking his methods should be used today. Care to get in bed with that group! It's bad to get fooled when we joined but most who leave figure this out. But to leave and still think Scientology is the cat's ass is a complete mental meltdown. That is being truthful! Duplicate that!

 

[MissWog]

John,
What type of device are you using to read and reply to this forum? A cell phone? A computer? A tablet? What is it that you are using that does ZERO formatting? We can't hardly read your posts and see where your replies start after you number a question you are trying to answer so I am thinking may e you can't read us very well either? And is English your second language? I'm just having a really hard time understanding you and what you are trying to accomplish here.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Claire,
I just don't know what to think of John! He is either trolling with his non-stop questions and arguing using questions to invalidate anything anyone else says, I don't see one second of conversation here. Or he is off his rocker, mad, suffering from some delusion that his purpose in life is to come here and scream at us that we would just understand if we did Scn the old fashioned way. Seriously, the guy talks about LRH like he is some kind of higher power omnipotent god.
My question is WHY? Is he here to convert us? He is not very good at it so I have to assume he is either a nutters or a troll..but what kind of troll? Hmmmmm

I know I'm kinda being rude but I have to laugh at this point bc there is zero real conversation happening with him. He doesn't acknowledge or answer any questions or give any sense as to who he is..plus the formatting of his posts make his ramblings even harder to decipher. I took the time last week to read every post he has ever made.. Seriously, I don't understand what his goal here, is at all, and I have TRIED!

So now I just have to laugh..can't help it!

He could be trolling, sure. That has happened before and will undoubtedly happen again.

However, me being me, I will also say that I think that it would be difficult for a Scn'ist (or anyone on any foru who posts from the minority point of view which also happens to be the one that is being critiqued on that forum as part of the theme) to not seem like a troll even when he or she really isn't such.

 

[Claire Swazey]

It depends on what viewpoint you hold I suppose. I believe that among a lot of different valences I hold, being naive and playing games are two of them. In present time I am serious, but in a very playful way.


I don't understand why you didn't answer my question, following up with a counter-question is not a valid 2 way comm cycle. It does remind me of the old and tiresome repetitive measure Scientology clones use, attack, always attacj, never defend.


Flunk! you did it again!


Well I suppose it is always a matter of what you hold to be truth, If you feel that there is truth in the statement, "the OT materials are on Earth" then I suppose that for anyone that hold that to be the truth, it would explain so many things, like why there is a war in Syria.


Who gets to decide this? You?
So because you say that NOTs has to be done in a particular way, "uncorrupted" by the "church", or by anyone who learnt it in the "church", otherwise it is invalid. I disagree, you don't get to say anything the like of that in my reality.



What you see as offensive, I take it, even though I think John is able to hold his own in an argument, I see as educational. Also, what on earth is an Xtian? I've missed that cult.



Dudess, I don't hold a definite viewpoint, It's extremely changeable.

I don't know 'bout offensive, but I was sort of in my rooting for the underdog meme, I guess. Btw, I would not be likely to find you offensive, though I do occasionally disagree with you.

Xtian= Christian. It's an abbreviation that is sometimes considered a bit on the irreverent side.

 

[phenomanon]

Agreed with all the above
I guess it was a slow news day and I couldn't help myself.. Plus I found it very curious that John has two distinct writing styles going back to his joining and you never know which john is going to show up and dance. Split personality or two people sharing a login? You decide hahahaha

How true, One of them can write in coherent sentences, and the other one can't spell.

 

[phenomanon]

So John what is it you are hoping prove here? Based on your answers you are either a troll of some sort or, I'm trying to put this in a civilized response, you are living in the reality of your own mind where only you have the answers yet nobody seems to share in that. You say my problem is Scientology really changed my life. It's not my problem because I really don't care how you live your life. I don't know you as you don't know me but I can base my observations of nearly 30 yrs in the church that Scientology did not deliver what was promised and not only but harmed a great majority of it's own parishioners. This is the same now as when Hubbard ran it so you cannot just blame DM and the current management. You are not convincing me or anybody else of your claims of how great Scientology is. Perhaps you are just happy bantering back and forth but as I see it you have added no value to this board other than others getting to poke fun at you.

Scientology sure changed my life! At one time, I had a daughter who loved me. Now she is "a Scn'ist", and doesn't want me in her life.

 

[phenomanon]

Ah, yes. "Duplication"!!

We love Scientology's wonderful concept of "duplication" which means, in real life, refusing to notice there are no "Releases", refusing to notice there are no "Clears", refusing to notice there are no "OTs", refusing to answer all those difficult questions, and blindly repeating the Scientology mantra "I am superior, they are SPs, I am superior, they are Enemies, I am superior because I are a Scientologist."

Yeah, "duplication" of L. Ron Hubbard (which means unquestioning belief) and absolute refusal to see the truth that is right there, staring you in the face. Yeah, that "duplication".

How unobservant and dull do you have to make yourself to master that kind of "duplication"?

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[He-man]

I don't know 'bout offensive, but I was sort of in my rooting for the underdog meme, I guess. Btw, I would not be likely to find you offensive, though I do occasionally disagree with you.

Xtian= Christian. It's an abbreviation that is sometimes considered a bit on the irreverent side.

When have we ever disagreed Claire!? I must have been drunk posting because I can't remember any time we were.

 

[He-man]

Hi He-man If I did not answer some of your questions it is because I did have nothing to answer. The point I want to make and I really would like that you understand is that I do not decide about your completion of your NOTs . I do not decide about all those things flying around you. I do not say the Church's NOTs is corrupted. I am saying that Church's NOTs (Indie included) does not work. Why? Google it and you will find the answer. There are quite a lot people in that sit. I had that sit. The diference between us is that I was looking to resolve the sit. You don't, in other words you stop looking ." In present time I am serious, but in a very playful way." Carry on and good luck!!!!!!

Ah that is fair enough so! A no answer is an answer too in my book. In my opinion NOTS does not work not because the "process" is "corrupted" by the nefarious 80's management cycle. It does not work simply because it's a part of the E.P of a mighty fine fleece. I imagine Ron had a grand laugh when he thought - "Well if they swallowed OTIII Line hook and sink I just can't imagine how this won't work!"

john, i suspect if you hang around this board very long you might begin to suspect some posters are rather challenged by what is known as "duplication"

Commander Birdsong, I suspect that if you hang around this board very long you might begin to suspect that some posters are rather challenged by what is known as "the Scientology mindset"

 

[Commander Birdsong]

What do you mean?

like it says in the declaration of independence...

"we hold these truths to be self-evident"

 

[Bill]

like it says in the declaration of independence...

"we hold these truths to be self-evident"

Huh? Your belief system is like the Declaration of Independence? Really? In your belief system, what follows that phrase?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident:
"Everything Hubbard said was absolutely true.
"Anyone who disagrees with Hubbard is a suppressive person.
"We Scientologists are superior to all you wogs.
"Scientology = truth. Hubbard = truth."

Are those the "self-evident truths" you think you possess in Scientology? Guess what, those are NOT "self-evident" except to you True Believers.

What Scientologists have lost is the ability to understand and recognize actual truth - because Hubbard has told them what "truth" is and they had to discard reality and accept Hubbard's belief as "truth".

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Huh? Your belief system is like the Declaration of Independence? Really? In your belief system, what follows that phrase?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident:
"Everything Hubbard said was absolutely true.
"Anyone who disagrees with Hubbard is a suppressive person.
"We Scientologists are superior to all you wogs.
"Scientology = truth. Hubbard = truth."

Are those the "self-evident truths" you think you possess in Scientology? Guess what, those are NOT "self-evident" except to you True Believers.

What Scientologists have lost is the ability to understand and recognize actual truth - because Hubbard has told them what "truth" is and they had to discard reality and accept Hubbard's belief as "truth".

no bill, in that post i was only saying that it can be easily observed an incapacity for duplication is epidemic in many posters on this board

as you yourself clearly demonstrate with this post