PLEASE BE TRUTHFUL !!!!

[Commander Birdsong]

So, I looked up this term, "duplicate." It appears to be a verb for slaves.

i'm not talking about clones

i'm not talking to clones

i'm just talking to people who are stuck in the valence of clones

 

[john reguerra]

So you just read their stuff on line, but have been unable to contact them? That's where you're getting these ideas?

"Did you know that the Church of Scientology was taken over around 1980 by U.S. government forces together with another organization... of a higher technical level." http://www.freezone-latam.org.mx/sc2.htm​

If this is important to you, why don't you try contacting anyone at Ron's Orgs and, then, see if they can help you contact Marianne Hagen? Now that you mention it, I did know Marianne Hagen a long time ago, and she last spoke with me soon after she had completed the 'Super Nots' Supervisor course under Bill Robertson.

Okay, You talked to Marianne Hagen. Have you done anything with her? If no why are you suggesting that I contact them?

 

[Magoo]

I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching . I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life. I realized that was up to me to apply it. It was up to me studying and applying it,and getting the benefit out of it. Because DM and all those Int and Ex Int staff fucked it up and continue to fuck it up ( ex-int also) doesn't mean that Scientology technology doesn't work. DM and ex-Int teaching do not work. Please be truthful about Scientology not for yourself but for those not so able to evaluate data. Scientology is 50% of application!!! If it does not work are you doing your part? the 50% ? Scientology is not a magic word. Abracadabra and voila!!!! Sorry, have have to do the 50% of the work. I know this is very cruel especially for those believing in fairytale. Scientology word doesn't do the trick so it doesn't work. What exactly did it or didn't it work? That is the question. For those who want chaos (OSA) don't bother. For those who gave up do not spread about things that yourselves cannot apply it. For those who are not sure find a piece of tech that you can apply and works and carry on from there. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!

One of the things I 1st loved about $cientology was "never evaluate for the Pc".
I grew up with a Mom who turned extremely judgmental, AFTER my Dad died at 52. So joining a group that
did not judge sounded great. (and many other things at the beginning sounded great).

Yet here you are............EVALUATING for me, STILL! Not good, not good AT ALL.
(on OT 7, after spending 30 y e a r s trying to make this sheet work, I finally faced these are some
of THE most Exclusive, evaluative people I'd ever met. I actually turned myself into Ethics at Flag over it.
You want to know their response? "We know..and you are the FIRST person to ever even mention it".
I asked, "Why are they this way?" They: "We do not know".

What is it about Scientologists (Not ALL..but it's a common trait amongst too many) that they THINK they have the "right" to tell others what we should or should
not do with our lives, without even EVER meeting us? :confused2:

You do as you please...and yes, please be truthful. How much of $cientology REALLY works?
I'll tell you how much for me: 0

So work on that 50% of the time, darlin.

Love and peace....well, at least 50 % of the time!

Tory/Magoo

 

[JustSheila]

Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck.

Hi John,

20-30 years is a long time. We all change in that time. Life demands it.

Past lives or no, we all undertake challenges in life, from learning to be a better parent, to learning to be better at relationships, to learning to stick to something until we become proficient at it. Some challenges are universal, some are individual, but we either eventually overcome these challenges or we meet them again and again in life until we do.

You would have learned this with or without belief in past lives unless you were blocked from maturing by drugs or some other addiction - and even then, you would probably have eventually gotten through that particular challenge and moved on.

Children grow up. Eventually, they realise that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus don't exist, that they DO create their own futures by the actions they take now. With or without Scientology, in most cases, children eventually grow up.

When you first joined scn, you were seeking change. Had you not found it in scn, most likely, you would have found it elsewhere.

Had you not realised you create your own future then, most likely, you would have realised it through some other method or through personally overcoming life's various challenges, because you were seeking a change in your life. THAT is what caused the change, what would have caused the change, scn or no.

 

[Anonycat]

i'm not talking about clones

i'm not talking to clones

i'm just talking to people who are stuck in the valence of clones

'Valences' is a cult/fraud word. How's the Kool Aide? Why use clone-speak?

 

[AnonKat]

Scientology is Batshit Crazy

Nothing has changed

 

[AnonKat]

We, The Dutch are going to make shitloads of money of of you because of climate change

 

[AnonKat]

[video=youtube;NGIofQchXz0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGIofQchXz0[/video]

 

[Magoo]

[video=youtube;NGIofQchXz0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGIofQchXz0[/video]

Verrrrrrry interesting, AnonKat!

Don't laugh, but is this by chance you? (I doubt it...but had to ask)

Quite interesting....way off topic from the actual topic, but thanks for the video.

and Happy Valentines Day to ALL

Tory/Magoo

 

[He-man]

i'm not talking about clones

i'm not talking to clones

i'm just talking to people who are stuck in the valence of clones

Do you have a hard time seeing the trees because the forest is in the way?

 

[Udarnik]

Do you have a hard time seeing the trees because the forest is in the way?

No, I think he has a hard time seeing the trees because the mushrooms are in the way.

 

[AnonKat]

Verrrrrrry interesting, AnonKat!

Don't laugh, but is this by chance you? (I doubt it...but had to ask)

Quite interesting....way off topic from the actual topic, but thanks for the video.

and Happy Valentines Day to ALL

Tory/Magoo

No, but it is me being thruthfull, We dutch are going to make a lot of Cash because the rest of the world lacks the expertise to battle the effects of climate change

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Hi He-man If I did not answer some of your questions it is because I did have nothing to answer. The point I want to make and I really would like that you understand is that I do not decide about your completion of your NOTs . I do not decide about all those things flying around you. I do not say the Church's NOTs is corrupted. I am saying that Church's NOTs (Indie included) does not work.

Without getting into too many nitty-gritty technical details, the problem with NOTs not working is due to a mechanism which "puts your NOTs case back" as fast as it's handled.

Excalibur (formerly called Super-NOTs) in RO is like Solo NOTs but has an extra step to handle this mechanism. Other than that, it's a lot like NOTs.

It took me nearly a year to get through this level, although many people get through in about a month.

If you're familiar with OT 3 but not NOTs then let me just say Excalibur is a lot like OT 3 -- but a LOT stranger. Astar nicknamed it "Alice in Wonderland". Let's just say you get to slay the Jabberwocky.

Helena

 

[john reguerra]

Without getting into too many nitty-gritty technical details, the problem with NOTs not working is due to a mechanism which "puts your NOTs case back" as fast as it's handled. Excalibur (formerly called Super-NOTs) in RO is like Solo NOTs but has an extra step to handle this mechanism. Other than that, it's a lot like NOTs. It took me nearly a year to get through this level, although many people get through in about a month. If you're familiar with OT 3 but not NOTs then let me just say Excalibur is a lot like OT 3 -- but a LOT stranger. Astar nicknamed it "Alice in Wonderland". Let's just say you get to slay the Jabberwocky. Helena

Lets take this slowly. NOTs does not handle the case for whatever mechanical reason. Tank you!!! Finally one person with some R. Now you have done Excalibur (formerly called Super-NOTs) for about 1 year but did it worked . Please honest answer.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

No, but it is me being thruthfull, We dutch are going to make a lot of Cash because the rest of the world lacks the expertise to battle the effects of climate change

Not just the expertise, our government (and the ones before it) wouldn't spend the money until it was too late;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-26167818

There have been plenty of people warning our governments that this was going to happen, but they wouldn't listen;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26176195

 

[john reguerra]

One of the things I 1st loved about $cientology was "never evaluate for the Pc". I grew up with a Mom who turned extremely judgmental, AFTER my Dad died at 52. So joining a group that did not judge sounded great. (and many other things at the beginning sounded great). Yet here you are............EVALUATING for me, STILL! Not good, not good AT ALL. (on OT 7, after spending 30 y e a r s trying to make this sheet work, I finally faced these are some of THE most Exclusive, evaluative people I'd ever met. I actually turned myself into Ethics at Flag over it. You want to know their response? "We know..and you are the FIRST person to ever even mention it". I asked, "Why are they this way?" They: "We do not know". What is it about Scientologists (Not ALL..but it's a common trait amongst too many) that they THINK they have the "right" to tell others what we should or should not do with our lives, without even EVER meeting us? :confused2: You do as you please...and yes, please be truthful. How much of $cientology REALLY works? I'll tell you how much for me: 0 So work on that 50% of the time, darlin. Love and peace....well, at least 50 % of the time! Tory/Magoo

Hi Tory/Magoo Again you are talking about OT 4, 5, and NOTs. Those OT levels have been edited from the originals with only one purpose in mind. MAKE YOU RUN back and forth to the registrar. Period those OT levels are not SCIENTOLOGY okay!!!! And if you have done OT8 as well than you really get the mass that does not work. I do believe that if you really look to handle your NOTs problem you will find the way.

 

[MissWog]

Hi Tory/Magoo Again you are talking about OT 4, 5, and NOTs. Those OT levels have been edited from the originals with only one purpose in mind. MAKE YOU RUN back and forth to the registrar. Period those OT levels are not SCIENTOLOGY okay!!!! And if you have done OT8 as well than you really get the mass that does not work. I do believe that if you really look to handle your NOTs problem you will find the way.

Seriously? Does this guy not know who Tory is? Does any ex-Scn not know who Tory is? Good grief this is ridiculous.. Still following the scripture, unadulterated or not, I can't believe this dude doesn't know Magoo.. If he doesn't he lives under a rock with a shitty cell phone or tablet and needs to go back into his cave for some more auditing on his whole track..come back next time with some paragraphs or something.. What's my ruin? Trolls! Like this.

keep it up John, you make $cientology with or without LRH look awesome!

 

[JGB]

I have spent, as many of you, I do believe, the majority of this life time in Scientology. I wanted to believe that I would became a better and able being if I had followed Scientology teaching . I really wanted to became a better being. Now after 20/30 years I am asking to myself do I achieved this? If I said no I am lying. If I said yes I am lying also. Why? Because the true of the matter is without studying Scientology and applying it to my life I would not be aware that I have lived before and more specifically that I create my future and is not luck. Without it I would have been as my brother. Going to the bone-yard with any Valley girl as the only purpose in life. I realized that was up to me to apply it. It was up to me studying and applying it,and getting the benefit out of it. Because DM and all those Int and Ex Int staff fucked it up and continue to fuck it up ( ex-int also) doesn't mean that Scientology technology doesn't work. DM and ex-Int teaching do not work. Please be truthful about Scientology not for yourself but for those not so able to evaluate data. Scientology is 50% of application!!! If it does not work are you doing your part? the 50% ? Scientology is not a magic word. Abracadabra and voila!!!! Sorry, have have to do the 50% of the work. I know this is very cruel especially for those believing in fairytale. Scientology word doesn't do the trick so it doesn't work. What exactly did it or didn't it work? That is the question. For those who want chaos (OSA) don't bother. For those who gave up do not spread about things that yourselves cannot apply it. For those who are not sure find a piece of tech that you can apply and works and carry on from there. have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!

Totally agree with you! Scio is 50% app. Thanks for a good post.

 

[MissWog]

Totally agree with you! Scio is 50% app. Thanks for a good post.

Why do you agree with him? Converse, discuss or argue.. But let your 4th post have more meaning than this!

There is a place that grudge matches get buried too.. What does it take to make that happen

 

[Claire Swazey]

Hi Clare! If you read my posts, you may realize that I strongly reject their Technology after the take over. I noticed that in this forum there are quite a few rejecting the whole Scientology, LRH, DM and the lot. If you knew my story you will be surprised to know that I am not seeking avenge. But because I have been abused for 30 years does not means that I quit the Technology that for me works. To make sure I communicate my thought correctly I have not faith about it I do not care less about faith. I am applying the Tech I know in my life and it works. About MissWog sorry to say but she is applying in full the 3 party gossip Tech and The Art of War. Look her posting about me she came on the line to protect?

Hi, John. Thanks for responding. I was, after I left CofS, into the freezone and was an Indie- and even came up with that term, which later went viral. Though I would guess that someone else would have come up with it eventually. So I've been there. I studied Scn in CofS. I studied it outside of CofS.

Although not all non CofS Scientologists believe that the writings and other works of Hubbard are fine and that the problem is only David Miscavige, still, obviously, quite a few of them do think that. I never ever thought that, even when I was studying in the Freezone. I liked doing that, I don't regret it, and I wouldn't rule out getting auditing again though I no longer consider myself to be a Scientologist. So no bad experiences here, really, tech wise. But as I mention, I have never thought that everything was just peachy til DM took over. There are a lot of not very nice things in Hubbard's writings. Not reporting PTSness is a crime. Freeloader debts. The RPF. The RPF's RPF. Having to be on a routing form to get to leave staff. (No one should EVER have to ask to leave.) He did overboarding. All kinds of stuff.

I do think that DM is worse than Hubbard in many respects, but, to me, he took an already bad situation and made it worse.

As for the "tech", I think parts of it are better than other parts of it and that each person should decide for him or herself. There is no "tech" after Hubbard stopped writing it. Anything that's really tech or policy is stuff he authored, the good, the bad, the ugly, the true and the false. Anything DM came up with is stuff DM came up with.

That being said, I do not let Hubbard off the hook. With all his wittering about destroying enemies and disconnection and freeloader debts and treatment of staff and reporting on people and RPFing people and heads on a pike, he's got a lot to answer for. I don't think it's mitigated by the techniques such as word clearing, TRs and auditing- all of which I think have helped some people (though not to the extent claimed). The reason I say this is that there's been a lot of suffering at the hands of Hubbard, Mary Sue and people working for them, past and present.

Miss Wog isn't applying any tech. She's posting on a forum. Just like you and me.