Please, help! I am afraid to loose my beloved one!

[The_Fixer]

Just as a non-Scienotology aside, it's not really a good sign that he won't listen to you or take your opinions seriously. You deserve someone who will treat you well, regardless of their faith. If we remove the subject of Scientology and just look at how you describe the way he is treating you and talking to you, it's really unkind.

Everybody here has given some very sound opinions and advice. Truly good people who really care for your well being.

Having said that, I would point out the post I have quoted here from Boomima really says something extremely important in your relationship here. Take the Scientology out of it for a moment and look at what Boomy just said... Your partner may be speaking grumpy stuff out of frustration, as we may all do at times, but the lack of respect for you and your opinions do not bode well for the future - even without the Scientology.

 

[TheRealNoUser]

Now, I am going to save you and your boyfriend one million dollars.
(close right hand, extend little finger only - and place to side of mouth).

That is the amount of money that Scientologists pay to "achieve" OT Level III.

So just to put things in perspective, I give you the fabulous OTIII document:

__________________________________________________​

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN​

LIMITED DISTRIBUTION
AO's only
OT III Students
Tech Sed AO's
D's of T AO's
Adv Cses i/c
Adv Cse Super

OT 3 COURSE

C O N F I D E N T I A L

OT III​

The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet - 178 billion on average) by mass implanting..

He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken - in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged".

His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the implants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert.

The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development. One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.

In December 1967 I knew somebody had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful.

One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body.

One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing.

You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small.

Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error.

Good luck.

L. RON HUBBARD

FOUNDER

__________________________________________________​

LRH handwritten version here:
http://www.xenu.net/archive/OTIII-scholar/

Tell your boyfriend that this is what all his Scientology studies will lead to.

 

[Panda Termint]

I like your attitude but the information about it costing one million dollars to achieve OT3 is erroneous, it doesn't cost anywhere near that figure! Keeping things real is always a good idea, that way your post is much less likely to be dismissed as uninformed hyperbole.

 

[HelpNeeded]

Yes, the things are getting worse... Yesterday they came over to our house...They started 'to handle' me. He never told me they would come, he was preparing this 'plan' by texting them. Even after he wrote, that it is not ok that they come, because he is not going to be at home, they still came over. One was ethics officer, the other one I don't remember, but he spent 15 years in Sea Org and is in this organization for over 30 years or so. So as they said they just came down to say hello to my boyfriend. I let them in (if i didn't that would be the proof for them that I am acting against them) and we talked.
Most of the time it was out of 'real' topic - that is stories about travelling, languages, etc. In the middle of the conversation I couldn't hold it any more and burst into tears, obviously they never said that it is fine, do not worry, it's gonna be all right. On my question: if I do not follow my boyfriend in this, but choose to live a life that i'm living now, which 'works and is true for me' will I be forced to stop communication with him, do we have to break up? they answered only after 3rd time I asked. The answer was that it is his and only his decision, he is a free person and this is what we need to decide between ourselves. Like if he decided to move to Alaska and be a fisherman, we would need to decide it between ourselves.
They asked what information is not clear to me and what i'm reading. I told some, saying that I do not know whom to believe. He tried to say that during these years, they made enemies, since they wouldn't follow their command. I still said that you can even show me documents, but they might not be true and fake like anything else, so I still do not know whom to believe. Not a single time there was a clear answer, only going and beating around the bush.
When my boyfriend finally arrived, he was, obviously surprised, but justified it with that they came with a good intention, so it is all fine (which is obviously not fine to me). So I asked again 'how can you save other people, other children, if you do not dare to try and save your own, if you say you won't be able to do it, so you won't have children?' there was no answer. And I asked my boyfriend if i choose not to go this way, since I have my human rights to do so, do we need to break up? He couldn't give me an answer either, repeating only that he would love me to read dianetics and form my own opinion. but i felt that yes, he made up his mind to do so and if i do not change my mind it is over.
So I turned to the last bit, to the ethics officer, since he was married. I asked how do they live with his wife, if he wants children and if there are couples in scientology where one is not in it and the other is. He said yes and that his grandma did only courses, but never was part of the staff, that he wants five kids, that there are happy coulples, etc. So this influenced my boyfriend, creating an illusion that it can be ok. I will try to keep this illusion as long as possible, until I find new place to live.
They also said that they didn't come there to 'handle me', but just to say hello to my boyfriend...I am scared. What is their next step?
I liked the idea of one of you not to mention scientology at all and if he asks thank him for caring about me, but refuse in this or the other way. Also start reading a book, veeeeeery slowly, so I have time for moving out.
And, yes, of course. His brother. He reports to him every move, they discuss me, that I wan't things only for myself and that they need to handle it. I feel like an animal or a sick person. This is disgusting.
As some of you noticed he is easily influenced and falls into addictions quickly. I am not that strong to spend my life next to alcoholic, drug addict or even gamer. I can not figth it. Yes, I am 'lazy', I want a cousy life and I am able to admit it.

Thank you everyone for keeping me down to earth. I even wrote a letter to myself for remembering what is real for me now and gave it to my friend, so if I get involved in it she gives it for me to read...

This is not right. This is sick. When do I find a normal boyfriend....

 

[TG1]

"So this influenced my boyfriend, creating an illusion that it can be ok."


Ah, "the illusion that it can be ok." What wasted lives are found on that path.

It sounds like you are climbing out of that snakepit pretty well, young lady.

When this is all over, I bet you will look back and be astonished at how much you learned and how much this experience strengthened you for life ahead.

Again, very best wishes to you,

TG1

 

[Sierra_Sage]

HelpNeeded,

You said, "They also said that they didn't come there to 'handle me', but just to say hello to my boyfriend...I am scared. What is their next step?"

One thing scientologists are is predictable. The next step will be for those staff to get your boyfriend to "handle" or disconnect from you. I am sure that he is currently involved with his ethics handling. In short, you are being ganged-up on in order to break you.

I believe that you mentioned earlier that he wants to join the sea org. In the sea org, your boyfriend will not be allowed to date a non scientologist. In fact, he will not be able to have sex unless he is married. Divorce rate is high and couples are routinely separated. Those staff that came to your house know this fact and lied to you.

 

[Lone Star]

Yes, the things are getting worse... Yesterday they came over to our house...They started 'to handle' me. He never told me they would come, he was preparing this 'plan' by texting them. Even after he wrote, that it is not ok that they come, because he is not going to be at home, they still came over. One was ethics officer, the other one I don't remember, but he spent 15 years in Sea Org and is in this organization for over 30 years or so. So as they said they just came down to say hello to my boyfriend. I let them in (if i didn't that would be the proof for them that I am acting against them) and we talked.
Most of the time it was out of 'real' topic - that is stories about travelling, languages, etc. In the middle of the conversation I couldn't hold it any more and burst into tears, obviously they never said that it is fine, do not worry, it's gonna be all right. On my question: if I do not follow my boyfriend in this, but choose to live a life that i'm living now, which 'works and is true for me' will I be forced to stop communication with him, do we have to break up? they answered only after 3rd time I asked. The answer was that it is his and only his decision, he is a free person and this is what we need to decide between ourselves. Like if he decided to move to Alaska and be a fisherman, we would need to decide it between ourselves.
They asked what information is not clear to me and what i'm reading. I told some, saying that I do not know whom to believe. He tried to say that during these years, they made enemies, since they wouldn't follow their command. I still said that you can even show me documents, but they might not be true and fake like anything else, so I still do not know whom to believe. Not a single time there was a clear answer, only going and beating around the bush.
When my boyfriend finally arrived, he was, obviously surprised, but justified it with that they came with a good intention, so it is all fine (which is obviously not fine to me). So I asked again 'how can you save other people, other children, if you do not dare to try and save your own, if you say you won't be able to do it, so you won't have children?' there was no answer. And I asked my boyfriend if i choose not to go this way, since I have my human rights to do so, do we need to break up? He couldn't give me an answer either, repeating only that he would love me to read dianetics and form my own opinion. but i felt that yes, he made up his mind to do so and if i do not change my mind it is over.
So I turned to the last bit, to the ethics officer, since he was married. I asked how do they live with his wife, if he wants children and if there are couples in scientology where one is not in it and the other is. He said yes and that his grandma did only courses, but never was part of the staff, that he wants five kids, that there are happy coulples, etc. So this influenced my boyfriend, creating an illusion that it can be ok. I will try to keep this illusion as long as possible, until I find new place to live.
They also said that they didn't come there to 'handle me', but just to say hello to my boyfriend...I am scared. What is their next step?
I liked the idea of one of you not to mention scientology at all and if he asks thank him for caring about me, but refuse in this or the other way. Also start reading a book, veeeeeery slowly, so I have time for moving out.
And, yes, of course. His brother. He reports to him every move, they discuss me, that I wan't things only for myself and that they need to handle it. I feel like an animal or a sick person. This is disgusting.
As some of you noticed he is easily influenced and falls into addictions quickly. I am not that strong to spend my life next to alcoholic, drug addict or even gamer. I can not figth it. Yes, I am 'lazy', I want a cousy life and I am able to admit it.

Thank you everyone for keeping me down to earth. I even wrote a letter to myself for remembering what is real for me now and gave it to my friend, so if I get involved in it she gives it for me to read...

This is not right. This is sick. When do I find a normal boyfriend....

Okay, I'm going to chime in now. You need to get away from this boyfriend and you need to do it now! It is over and there is no salvation of this relationship. He's not the guy you knew, and he'll change even more on a daily basis. For your sanity and safety you need to drop him like a hot rock. There are only two choices for you now: join the cult and stay with him, or save yourself and leave him. He's already made his choice, and it's the cult. Let him go and suffer his bad choice. There's no reason for you to suffer it any longer.

 

[FoTi]

Thanks, Help Needed, for keeping us posted on what is happening.

I hope you find a place to move to very quickly, and that you soon find a new partner that is better suited to the kind of life that you want, who will treat you with love and respect, and who will work with you to make your dreams come true.

Have a happy and fulfilling life.

 

[Lurker5]

From the sound of it, Help, it seems you have already lost him. And YES, you do love him, that is why you want him out. Maybe it is he who does not know how he loves you, because he is putting the co$ before you, the scno tech before you.

Is that love?

You want him out - Is that love?

But you have to love yourself - more.

I think you had better start facing the fact that he is lost, and you will have to leave. Start thinking on it now, so that when the time comes, it is not such a shock. Start contacting family and friends that will help you leave . . .

And I am so sorry. It is my humble opinion, that once a person starts behaving as your boyfriend is behaving, saying those things, that person is too far gone - already. Now he will have to go through the hell and come out the other side.

The co$/scno is no place for you. Your thinking is much more logical - and compassionate - and clear - than his - You see it for what it is and are not fooled. Good on you. Bravo, Help

Now start making plans. Sorry.

 

[Lurker5]

Holy crappers, Help, you think you are not strong, that you are lazy because you do not want to spend your life with an addict? No no no no no - that means you are a very strong loving person who values herself - and can truly love, not pseudo love only when it suits self - as with any addict . . . An addict always puts his 'stash' - his substance of choice - above all else - as in this case of your BF - scno/co$. An addict always loves his addiction best.

Run, Girl - run run run run run. You DESERVE a good life, and he is not going to give you that. Find another. As someone said earlier, there will be others in life that you can and will love. Yeah, I know, I did not believe it either, when I was young. That first lost love . . . I did not believe it either, until it happened. A few more times. As we grow, our love grows. It gets bigger - but it takes some pain and suffering to get there. And a few tries.

You are only just learning how to love - and trust those of us who have been there and done that, there is more out there - and love gets better.

Love -
It does not treat you like your BF/scno/co$ has treated you . . .

It is over, move on. And truly, you are so lucky - to have loved, to have seen the falseness of scno/co$ - and to give up that love rather than destroy it - by trying to make the impossible work.

THAT IS STRENGTH - and INTEGRITY - and HONOR and LOVE . . .

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I like your attitude but the information about it costing one million dollars to achieve OT3 is erroneous, it doesn't cost anywhere near that figure! Keeping things real is always a good idea, that way your post is much less likely to be dismissed as uninformed hyperbole.

Well, that $1M figure might not be as far off as you think, at least not for "the Bridge" (not just thru OT III)

He was talking about the couple (2 people).

The most commonly used breakdown of costs thru OT VIII was a few years ago and came in at $360K.

Add to that the mandatory $50K IAS (minimum) status required to do the top OT levels and the number exceeds $400K.

Now, start adding to that the L's and accommodations/travel and the number easily gets up to $500K per person.

Two people, that would be a million dollars.

 

[TheRealNoUser]

I like your attitude but the information about it costing one million dollars to achieve OT3 is erroneous, it doesn't cost anywhere near that figure! Keeping things real is always a good idea, that way your post is much less likely to be dismissed as uninformed hyperbole.

You're right in theory Panda. I was basing it on the two of them, and factoring in not just the advertised cost of getting to this level, but also the other "donations" that all Scientologists get regged for on the way... Ideal Orgs, The Basics, The Latest CD and DVD Package, this and that emergency, etc etc. By the time you're done it is not far off $500,000 per person.

Unless you have some latest price lists for professional auditing that you want to share ...

P.S. I see Helluvahoax! answered while I was typing ... with similar points !

 

[Claire Swazey]

Remember in the late 90s when internet criticism of CofS was starting to ramp up? Someone found that to do ALL the OT levels (not sure if Ls included. Ls are super expensive) and the training and the grades and all that stuff, was 350k. For years I'd see that figure. After a while I thought, nah, gotta be out of date by now. Must be way worse.

I believe Feral has discussed how much he spent in the cult.

Really, they ought to be ashamed. Of course, we know they're not, but they should be!!

 

[TheRealNoUser]

Yes, the things are getting worse... Yesterday they came over to our house...They started 'to handle' me. He never told me they would come, he was preparing this 'plan' by texting them. Even after he wrote, that it is not ok that they come, because he is not going to be at home, they still came over. One was ethics officer, the other one I don't remember, but he spent 15 years in Sea Org and is in this organization for over 30 years or so. So as they said they just came down to say hello to my boyfriend. I let them in (if i didn't that would be the proof for them that I am acting against them) and we talked.

Well, if they came to see your boyfriend - why did they stay when he was obviously not there? That alone suggests that they are lying ... don't you think?

Most of the time it was out of 'real' topic - that is stories about travelling, languages, etc. In the middle of the conversation I couldn't hold it any more and burst into tears, obviously they never said that it is fine, do not worry, it's gonna be all right. On my question: if I do not follow my boyfriend in this, but choose to live a life that i'm living now, which 'works and is true for me' will I be forced to stop communication with him, do we have to break up? they answered only after 3rd time I asked. The answer was that it is his and only his decision, he is a free person and this is what we need to decide between ourselves. Like if he decided to move to Alaska and be a fisherman, we would need to decide it between ourselves.

When somebody avoids an answer in Scientology it is called a "comm lag", and usually indicates that someone is lying to avoid giving a truthful answer that they know someone will not like. They had to have time to think about an "acceptable truth". They were basically lying, and gave you an answer that they thought would not completely offend you. ie. The truth.

They asked what information is not clear to me and what i'm reading. I told some, saying that I do not know whom to believe. He tried to say that during these years, they made enemies, since they wouldn't follow their command. I still said that you can even show me documents, but they might not be true and fake like anything else, so I still do not know whom to believe. Not a single time there was a clear answer, only going and beating around the bush.

When my boyfriend finally arrived, he was, obviously surprised, but justified it with that they came with a good intention, so it is all fine (which is obviously not fine to me).

I think that your boyfriend knew that they were coming all along, and he was part of the plan to "handle you". This is why he was not upset, and immediately "justified" the intrusion. He was lying.

So I asked again 'how can you save other people, other children, if you do not dare to try and save your own, if you say you won't be able to do it, so you won't have children?' there was no answer. And I asked my boyfriend if i choose not to go this way, since I have my human rights to do so, do we need to break up? He couldn't give me an answer either, repeating only that he would love me to read dianetics and form my own opinion. but i felt that yes, he made up his mind to do so and if i do not change my mind it is over.
So I turned to the last bit, to the ethics officer, since he was married. I asked how do they live with his wife, if he wants children and if there are couples in scientology where one is not in it and the other is. He said yes and that his grandma did only courses, but never was part of the staff, that he wants five kids, that there are happy coulples, etc. So this influenced my boyfriend, creating an illusion that it can be ok. I will try to keep this illusion as long as possible, until I find new place to live.
They also said that they didn't come there to 'handle me', but just to say hello to my boyfriend...I am scared.

They were lying. It was a "handling".

What is their next step?
I liked the idea of one of you not to mention scientology at all and if he asks thank him for caring about me, but refuse in this or the other way. Also start reading a book, veeeeeery slowly, so I have time for moving out.
And, yes, of course. His brother. He reports to him every move, they discuss me, that I wan't things only for myself and that they need to handle it. I feel like an animal or a sick person. This is disgusting.
As some of you noticed he is easily influenced and falls into addictions quickly. I am not that strong to spend my life next to alcoholic, drug addict or even gamer. I can not figth it. Yes, I am 'lazy', I want a cousy life and I am able to admit it.

Thank you everyone for keeping me down to earth. I even wrote a letter to myself for remembering what is real for me now and gave it to my friend, so if I get involved in it she gives it for me to read...

This is not right. This is sick. When do I find a normal boyfriend....

I am pleased that you are seeing this for what it is. You will find a normal boyfriend outside of Scientology. Just give yourself some time and breathing space.

How long have you been with him, if you don't mind me asking?

Best,

TRNU

 

[Sindy]

...


Something else to be aware of.

Since 1950 Scientologists have been practicing & perfecting the manipulation of human beings. They have been working on this skill for over 60 years.

SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY DRILL HOW TO MANIPULATE YOU, LIE TO YOU, CHEAT YOU & ENSLAVE YOU AND ALL THIS IS DONE WITH A SMILE UNDER THE NAME OF LOVE AND HELP.

What I am pointing out is that trying to "combat" Scientology is like trying to fight quicksand or pull your fingers out of a Chinese Finger Trap.

You cannot win at that because it is boobytrapped every step of the way.

Discussions with your boyfriend are not actually discussions. They are attempts on his part to "handle" you using the "tech" and to manipulate you with fear, guilt or doubts.

Your good qualities (virtues) and strengths will be used against, you, just like a Judo expert uses the weight and momentum of an attacker against them. Your willingness to love, help, understand and trust will be turned upside down and inside out so that you are (in effect) fighting yourself.

What I am trying to let you know about is that you are fighting against an evil, manipulative cult. Your boyfriend has no clue that he is trapped in a cult--any more than a person who is investing their money in a Ponzi Scheme knows that every dollar will be stolen.

He is doing what he believes is the best for himself, you and "the planet".

One day (and he might be very old and broken before this occurs) he will realize that he was lied to and defrauded. Most Scientologists figure that out, but a large number figure it out late in their life when they have already lost the best years and their health and (to varying degrees) their sanity.

You are in the great position (which you might not appreciate yet) to get out with your health and sanity and the rest of your life to live.

There is nothing stopping you from communicating to your boyfriend when you are safely out of the quicksand and not dependent on his "agreeing" with you. He is not controlling his own thoughts or decisions now, even though he does not know that. He is being controlled by his Scientology masters. This is not an exaggeration.

Rule number one if you are a lifeguard and you want to rescue someone who is drowning is to NOT LET THE DROWNING PERSON DROWN YOU.

If you are weak or indecisive about getting Scientology a safe distance away, they will use that to keep "handling" you and wear you down, just like the ocean waves erode and wear away rocks.

There is no safe way to fix Scientology or Scientologists other than to get and maintain a very safe distance away. From experience I can tell you that they have no slightest guilt about marching into your work or place of business and ordering you and other people around.

They have no problem with getting you fired or destroying your reputation.

In fact, Scientologists will write "success stories" about how they destroyed you if they believe that you are trying to get your boyfriend out of Scientology.

Failure to understand the evil of Scientology is the surest way of getting sucked into the cult's boa-constrictor-like grip. They will keep tightening until you cannot think or breathe.

Don't play with these people if you value your own health, sanity or life.

Honestly, if you don't distance yourself from this, you may find yourself one day as a Scientologist --even though right now you think this is ridiculous.

Scientologists are professional liars and cheats and manipulators. You won't have any success using truth or reason.

GET OUT DEAR.

^^^^ One of the most insightful posts ever written. ^^^^

Man, when it's put in a nutshell like this, it's so embarrassing to consider having given it so much credence for nearly 25 years of my life. 25!

HelpNeeded, Scientology is a parasitic cancer -- nothing more, nothing less. RUN for your life. Seriously.

You would have more chance of having a successful relationship with an alcoholic or a gambler as they, at least, often hit rock bottom and seek help. A Scientologist never does because oddly, to admit to needing help in Scientology (especially regards doubts about Scientology) is very undesirable and a scary road to travel. So, people suck it up and keep pretending they are happy, happy, happy while all the while their lives are being destroyed.

Of course, you will hear testimonials of people who will say that it saved their lives or some such result. I could say the same thing. In the end, it was me who saved me but I did get some help from them. In exchange, I would be required to sell my soul. Belonging to the official "church" spells only eventual and inevitable doom, for EVERYONE.

If you ever hear of anyone raving about the tech and how great it is to belong to this amazing group, know these things:

1) If they are new, they are most likely "high" on just having finally been listened to and from the love bombing.

2) If they have been in for awhile, they are still hanging on to the thoughts of earlier times of feeling "high" and the initial love bombing, now not able to stably achieve that, they blame it on themselves while telling others how happy they are while secret, private gnawings (if allowed to manifest) would tell a different story indeed.

3) Almost no one likes the incessant calls and over the top fundraising. (I say "almost" because there are a few that get off on the adrenalin rush of it, believe it or not.)

4) Sooner or later, a person will get his or her reality shaken enough to question involvement. Sometimes this take a long time. It took me 25 years. If I were to get in now, with the Internet data so readily available, I don't think it would take me so long to get out (but who knows).

5) Once the questioning starts enough to get someone to really look, and they then do look, that person then has to admit that he/she was in a trance and actually saw it all along but denied it to themselves and sold that denial to others. It's that insidious.

The organization, overall, cares not for any single individual but only cares for its own survival, at any cost.

Yes, Hubbard talks about how the group is made up of individuals and unless you take care of the individuals, than you have no group. This also makes total sense.

Does that get followed? NO, NEVER.

If you haven't already had enough suggestions , I highly recommend watching this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HlG2zZ-B2E&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLB1EFDC3FB3116678

 

[MostlyLurker]

But does he really love you?

I left my beautiful girlfriend once because I thought that saving the planet was much more important.

If you decide to stay with him be ready to come always after the cult. A lot of your money and his money will go to the church. If he will join the SO you will be forced to join too. 16 hours of work every day 7 days a week for free, calling others "Sir". No kids, no family, no free time, no other interests and no friends other than Scientology.
But chances are they will convince him that you are a stop to his progress and he will leave you anyway sooner or later.

Here is a test for you to try out on him. Tell him you have been reading about L. Ron Hubbard and there are very interesting things about him that he should see. Then show him

Debbie Cook deposition

and the Truth rundown series of videos (Rathbun, Jeff, Ami, Gary, Shelly, Steve) .

If scientology make people better ask him why Scientology leader is criminal and abusive.
Then tell him that if he wants to become OT he has the right to try, but you want to meet someone who is already OT and willing to show some of his OT powers because LRH was not OT at all when he died of a stroke with and cured with psychiatric drugs.

You did go to the church and did your courses, now it is his turn to learn from you, or at least evaluate what you have found. Show him the videos, bring him here on ESMB. "If you can't give some of your time to me then how can I thrust you enough to build a 2D with you?"

Bring him here!

 

[Commander Birdsong]

be not afraid

you mention some fear but you needn't fear them. they can be very nasty when riled but if you don't actually attack them they have other things to do. something which hasn't come through in all these posts is the upside of scientology. CoS is a miserable place to be if it's not your thing but on the other hand there is much true brilliance to hubbard's work and it's an intense life. you want a "cousy" life. well the great bob cousy of the boston celtics lived an intense life but i think you meant cozy. no. CoS does not offer cozy and, perhaps somewhat admirably, scorns a dull/normal life. indeed i would hope you do not seek to hibernate your entire adult life. many so seek and the modern prosperity of the developed nations allows many to so find. i wish you a life with depth and passion and challenge and growth with sweetness and mirth but toughness and grit.

you love him...

i suspect a big part of what makes you love him so is a fierceness of spirit which makes a quiet life where nothing is lost and nothing gained vastly unappealing to him.

let him go...

you might want to change your mind and follow with him and that might work but this is not what i hear from you. and always with such intense activities it is better not to start than to begin with but half your heart. balls to the wall or not at all.

let him go, goldilocks, his bowl of porridge is too hot for your tongue

 

[Panda Termint]

Well, that $1M figure might not be as far off as you think, at least not for "the Bridge" (not just thru OT III)

He was talking about the couple (2 people).

The most commonly used breakdown of costs thru OT VIII was a few years ago and came in at $360K.

Add to that the mandatory $50K IAS (minimum) status required to do the top OT levels and the number exceeds $400K.

Now, start adding to that the L's and accommodations/travel and the number easily gets up to $500K per person.

Two people, that would be a million dollars.

Sure, but he didn't say any of that, he said "to achieve OTIII" and that is just plain wrong. And, just so you know, I didn't spend anything like $360K to get to and thru OT VIII.

I never upgraded my IAS status from the irreducible minimum Lifetime. I never gave a cent to Ideal Orgs. I did give $5 to the SP Building project once (to get thru one of those interminable Leaving Flag Routing Forms) and once bought a crap LRH fiction book from Authors Services just so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of the mind-numbing spiel!

I had a routine that shooed the Flag Vultures away and it served me well.

(As to the question af the actual cost of doing business with the CofS, an honest Registrar would answer, "How much have you got? We'll take it!")

 

[DoneDeal]

Hello.

Wanted to pipe in too. It breaks my heart to hear of someone going through this. I feel empathy for your situation. I made similar decisions that your current guy is doing...regret is harsh, but no one could wake me up back then...........no one.

So many good post's above, I hope you read them. They are written by people who have been "there" and are now honest about things. They above have nothing to gain from you other than maybe hearing one day you are free and happy.

Don't know your age, kinda seems 20's or so....even 30's.....let me tell ya...there is so much future and possibility out in front of you...it's really unbelievable. And the human race is marvelous! Don't listen to the sky is falling crap...it ain't.

Please don't get stuck in the scn thing like I and so many others did....it's not a good path. I promise.

 

[Sindy]

Sure, but he didn't say any of that, he said "to achieve OTIII" and that is just plain wrong. And, just so you know, I didn't spend anything like $360K to get to and thru OT VIII.

I never upgraded my IAS status from the irreducible minimum Lifetime. I never gave a cent to Ideal Orgs. I did give $5 to the SP Building project once (to get thru one of those interminable Leaving Flag Routing Forms) and once bought a crap LRH fiction book from Authors Services just so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of the mind-numbing spiel!

I had a routine that shooed the Flag Vultures away and it served me well.

(As to the question af the actual cost of doing business with the CofS, an honest Registrar would answer, "How much have you got? We'll take it!")

This would NEVER be allowed now. No way.