Please help in getting more precise information here!

MrNobody

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Quoting this one first, because I think it deserves attention:

May somebody please help me with this?
Please PM me about it if you have any more detailed information.
Love
Markus


Now to the one I want to reply to:

Yes I think now you did. Thank you and best wishes.
If you will let me know the city your living in Nothern Germany maybe we can drink our cup of coffee when I'm arround there and we can deepen our conversation on this matter.
Markus

I'll PM you. Hey, you know what? You could even come and see me on stage, before or after we have our coffee. Although... beer would probably be the appropriate after-show beverage for me, unless it's one of those Sunday Morning Jazz Breakfasts, in that case coffee would be fine. :)
:cheers:
 

Bee Sting

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May somebody please help me with this?
Please PM me about it if you have any more detailed information.
Love
Markus

Ok, Markus maybe I can help you on this. So listen up MrNobody and Everybody out there, listen carefully!

MS is believed to be an autoimmune diesease where the immune system attack the nervous system, the brain and spinal cord. The nerves are covered with a protective coating called myelin. Myelin helps the the brain and spinal cord to communicate with the nerves in the rest of the body.

MS gradully destroy myelin and the lesions caused by the nervous can be seen as lesions with an MRI. There is no precise explanation of what causes MS but it is seem to be more prevelant in colder areas farther away from the equator and run in families. So, it is speculated that it might be influenced by genetic factors.

Symptoms at first may be hard to diagnose but include weakness, stiffness and the feeling of limbs being very heavy. Muscle coordination may be impaired the dropping things for no apparent reason. Vision blurriness, double vision or similar impairment may occur including painful movement of the eyeballs when looking from one side of the room ot another or up and down.

Tingling sensations, the pins-and-needles running through your body, legs and arms. Lightheadness, dizziness, spinnings sensations and so on.

MS generally, is unpredicable and vary from person to person which is one reason why it is hard to get the right diagnosis the first time. Some people end up in a cycle of progression and relapse, causing more damage each time. Others progess and progress and some fair better where they relapse, remit and symptoms fade.

Perhaps MrNobody, it may be true that MS itself may not be fatal on the other hand, the lack of care.... may cause the secondary and fatal cause of death.

So, ultimately what I am saying here is that, perhaps MS by itself did not cause Uwe's death but I have no doubt LACK OF CARE for his MS lead to his death. Had he received proper medical care for MS the ultimate demise (cause, reason) that caused his departure could have been prevented!

So, pardon me budding in on this conversation but what I think Markus is looking for is what happended to his beloved brother not arguing how MS affect person from person because the effects of MS IS different.

And, what I think Markus is saying here, is that if Uwe would have gotten proper medical care for the symptoms he experienced and that trreatment (drugs aka medication, for the specific symptoms he experienced) could have helped reducing the damage to the nervous system MS causes and secondary (directly related to mismanagement of his medical condition) it was the caused Uwe's untimely death.

It is a fact, in the SEO ORG, most Sea Org members do not get proper food (nutrious), sleep and excercise which are vital ingredients in treating MS and preventing or slowing down the attacks and forming of lesion.

I have witnessed this, I am part of that experience and when I am ready, I will tell you my story but for now, if anyone has more information to give to Markus about Uwe and how he spent his last days of his life, please tell what you know or what you think.

If it is nothing more than speculation or hear-say say so, but every little bit of information is helpful, if you saw or knew Uwe, or just heard of him, is what I think Markus would like to know.

So, please stop arguing about what MS is or it isn't. The true fact here is that Scientology and the teachings of LRH does not allow for medical treatments. Period!

Per LRH any physical ailments it's all in the "mind" and "mocked up" because a body is nothing more than a disposable glove or worn out shoe and we are just playing a "game" we made up. If we "can't handle it" we have to pay thousands of dollars to get the correct "science" aka auditing or be labeled a degraded beings or we become an SP's, or both.

Markus, if I am out of line, please tell me!

Much Love,

Bee Sting
 

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
Thank you Bee Sting....

Ok, Markus maybe I can help you on this. So listen up MrNobody and Everybody out there, listen carefully!

MS is believed to be an autoimmune diesease where the immune system attack the nervous system, the brain and spinal cord. The nerves are covered with a protective coating called myelin. Myelin helps the the brain and spinal cord to communicate with the nerves in the rest of the body.

MS gradully destroy myelin and the lesions caused by the nervous can be seen as lesions with an MRI. There is no precise explanation of what causes MS but it is seem to be more prevelant in colder areas farther away from the equator and run in families. So, it is speculated that it might be influenced by genetic factors.

Symptoms at first may be hard to diagnose but include weakness, stiffness and the feeling of limbs being very heavy. Muscle coordination may be impaired the dropping things for no apparent reason. Vision blurriness, double vision or similar impairment may occur including painful movement of the eyeballs when looking from one side of the room ot another or up and down.

Tingling sensations, the pins-and-needles running through your body, legs and arms. Lightheadness, dizziness, spinnings sensations and so on.

MS generally, is unpredicable and vary from person to person which is one reason why it is hard to get the right diagnosis the first time. Some people end up in a cycle of progression and relapse, causing more damage each time. Others progess and progress and some fair better where they relapse, remit and symptoms fade.

Perhaps MrNobody, it may be true that MS itself may not be fatal on the other hand, the lack of care.... may cause the secondary and fatal cause of death.

So, ultimately what I am saying here is that, perhaps MS by itself did not cause Uwe's death but I have no doubt LACK OF CARE for his MS lead to his death. Had he received proper medical care for MS the ultimate demise (cause, reason) that caused his departure could have been prevented!

So, pardon me budding in on this conversation but what I think Markus is looking for is what happended to his beloved brother not arguing how MS affect person from person because the effects of MS IS different.

And, what I think Markus is saying here, is that if Uwe would have gotten proper medical care for the symptoms he experienced and that trreatment (drugs aka medication, for the specific symptoms he experienced) could have helped reducing the damage to the nervous system MS causes and secondary (directly related to mismanagement of his medical condition) it was the caused Uwe's untimely death.

It is a fact, in the SEO ORG, most Sea Org members do not get proper food (nutrious), sleep and excercise which are vital ingredients in treating MS and preventing or slowing down the attacks and forming of lesion.

I have witnessed this, I am part of that experience and when I am ready, I will tell you my story but for now, if anyone has more information to give to Markus about Uwe and how he spent his last days of his life, please tell what you know or what you think.

If it is nothing more than speculation or hear-say say so, but every little bit of information is helpful, if you saw or knew Uwe, or just heard of him, is what I think Markus would like to know.

So, please stop arguing about what MS is or it isn't. The true fact here is that Scientology and the teachings of LRH does not allow for medical treatments. Period!

Per LRH any physical ailments it's all in the "mind" and "mocked up" because a body is nothing more than a disposable glove or worn out shoe and we are just playing a "game" we made up. If we "can't handle it" we have to pay thousands of dollars to get the correct "science" aka auditing or be labeled a degraded beings or we become an SP's, or both.

Markus, if I am out of line, please tell me!

Much Love,

Bee Sting

.....you are exactly on the line here!:thumbsup:

Love

Markus
 

skollie

Silver Meritorious Patron
Markus, someone posted a bit of information regarding Uwe at the following site:

http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/

See the comments section. I don't know who this is, but hopefully you can get into communication with him/her.


I happen to know personally that Uwe was not abandoned by her, nor was he forced to do hard labor, he was well treated and due attention was given to his medical condition, consulting a host of specialist, complete with personal nurses and auditors and his decisions were respected. I also know personally that she cared and though they had divorced, she kept tabs on his progress and ensured nothing he needed was wanting, She was concerned for his well being and they were good friends. The illness took a terrible toll in his body and this can not be blamed on the Church or Lou. I’m all for exposing the truth, but when inferences, suppositions and things like this enter here, you kill the message. Let’s stick to specifics, verifiable ones and not engage in the same practice of false accusations. I want the truth and search for it. I listen as do many, but let’s not get into falsehoods or conjectures here See Concerned Citizen post I listen as do many, but let’s not get into falsehoods or conjectures here
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/eva-manuela-and-dave-part-ii/#comments if we do, no as-isness will occur, we’ll only have the age old GPM.
 

Markus

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Skollie how would you define "well treated."

Markus, someone posted a bit of information regarding Uwe at the following site:

http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/

See the comments section. I don't know who this is, but hopefully you can get into communication with him/her.

I happen to know personally that Uwe was not abandoned by her, nor was he forced to do hard labor, he was well treated and due attention was given to his medical condition, consulting a host of specialist, complete with personal nurses and auditors and his decisions were respected. I also know personally that she cared and though they had divorced, she kept tabs on his progress and ensured nothing he needed was wanting, She was concerned for his well being and they were good friends. The illness took a terrible toll in his body and this can not be blamed on the Church or Lou. I’m all for exposing the truth, but when inferences, suppositions and things like this enter here, you kill the message. Let’s stick to specifics, verifiable ones and not engage in the same practice of false accusations. I want the truth and search for it. I listen as do many, but let’s not get into falsehoods or conjectures here See Concerned Citizen post I listen as do many, but let’s not get into falsehoods or conjectures here
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/200...t-ii/#comments if we do, no as-isness will occur, we’ll only have the age old GPM.

Yes it may be right that Uwe was "well treated" within the believe system of this cult. I think I am in contact with this person who wrote this text at least I have similar information from a person who knew Laurisse personally an this person helped her to get some information about Uwes condition. But Laurisse was no good friend of Uwe after the divorce. This is a lie.
After the divorce she never ever visited him once in the RPF. In my believe system this I would call treason!
Uwe was abandoned by Laurisse she never visited him - yes she cared for him somehow in buying some very expensive milk for him and she was informed by this person how Uwe was doing - but still there is the fact that she left him alone with his severe illness. And I believe that love and compassion is the one thing Uwe would have needed very urgent in his sad sad situation. The "personal nurses" were simply twins from the RPF and as far as I know only one person who was responsible for finding a home for Uwe in the last few months of his life had something like a qualification for helping Uwe. And the twins were very unreliable and were lying to us about his real condition.
And the biggest crime in the whole story was that the CoS held my brother back when he blew his job with his severe illness. He was lured back by his own wife. And then between 1997 and 2002 they did nothing against his MS.
Nothing despite taking vitamins, doing Auditing and ethics Handlings.
Then some alternative Methods were aplied but as far as I know today they never tried real medication for a longer time period. And the Scientology top quack Dr. Megan Shields was his "family doctor" so after summing up all my information I still have to say that Uwe never had a real chance to find independent information about how he should fight against his illness.
And Uwe suffered in the RPF even if he never had to do heavy work. He felt very guilty for not being able to get better for not being able to produce and work hard. In his belive system he was a worthless person and this is another reason why he died so soon. He really thought that he was worthless so he had to end the cycle as soon as he recognized that he was not able to get better in this body. Why was he prevented to get the love from his mother and his family? Because the Church of Scientology had to hide many things. They couldn't just let him go when he blew because he recognized the trap he was in. They had to handle and brainwash him in an RPF they locked him up in their system and Uwe never had a real choice or a real chance to escape from this trap.
"The illness took a terrible toll in his body and this can not be blamed on the Church or Lou." Oh yes it can be blamed on the church and it can be blamed on Lou too! Because of very very big mistakes in the beginning caused by the crazyness inside this cult this illness proceeded very fast in Uwes body. And if they really have nothing to hide why was I never been able to see his medical files. I know that my father has seen at least some of this files but he is not willing to show them to me or even to speak to me about what is written there.
BUT I will soon give you all the details of this very sad story of my brother.

Best wishes

Markus
 
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Markus

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Still looking for information!

Hello everybody. I'm still looking for more precise information here.....

May you please help me.

Thank you and best wishes

Markus
 
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