Please help me to get more information about the suffering and death of my brother

Markus

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Picture of former happier time of Uwe

At my Avatar you can see a Picture of Uwe and Laurisse when visiting his Family in Germany in the Eighties.
 

sandygirl

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Oh Marcus

This is so sad! My deepest sympathy on your and your families loss. It is so disgusting that I am having trouble taking it all in. I simply cannot understand the complete lack of compassion and quite frankly I never want to be able to understand it.

This entire story is sickening beyond words.
 

Markus

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Pictures of Uwe Stuckenbrock

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SchwimmelPuckel

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Well.. I don't think Markus neccesarily expected us to say anything.. He provided pics, which has been requested. The pics can be used to say an awesome LOT about this.

Worldwide pickets tomorrow, saturday the 18'th. Where people will say a lot about Uwe Stuckenbruck.. The world will get it.. Maybe some scilons will too..

:yes:
 

Pixie

Crusader
Well.. I don't think Markus neccesarily expected us to say anything.. He provided pics, which has been requested. The pics can be used to say an awesome LOT about this.

Worldwide pickets tomorrow, saturday the 18'th. Where people will say a lot about Uwe Stuckenbruck.. The world will get it.. Maybe some scilons will too..

:yes:

Yes perhaps you are right SP, I should have been more thoughtful here. I just thought he was waiting for replies as he had also started a thread. For sure I hope also that many scilons get it and even if they don't, they're going to be hearing about yet another death so somewhere in their minds it's going to sink in.
 

Iknowtoomuch

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Seeing his face again sure brings back memories.
Thanks for posting those.
I wish you were at least able to see him again before his passing. That really saddens me to think about.
RIP Uwe!

I hope over time somehow you can come to terms with his passing.
 

iaxiloll

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Thanks a lot Uwe. I believe the pics are here for us to use if necessary to jolt some memories in helping solve Uwes death I will pot them on WWP or rather create a link. R.I.P.
 

Ackerland

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Two Scientologist voices on the death of Uwe Stuckenbrock from Stuttgart

This is a crosspost from http://forums.whyweprotest.net/223-...oices-death-uwe-stuckenbrock-stuttgart-30374/


Hi,

over the past few months our protests have stirred up the Stuttgart org quite a lot so we are in contact with a few Scientologists and current insiders. Some are disaffected with the way the org is run, it's off-tech and off-policy, etc... another one seems to be fully behind Scientology and drops by in the chat from time to time. Here are two voices about the Uwe Stuckenbrock case:

Uwe originally comes from Stuttgart. The father of Uwe is Dieter Stuckenbrock, called Stucki. For many years now, he is second man next to Gabi Korell in the Stuttgart Org!
In the org, Stucki is seen as the secret ruler, the one who is actually in charge. He is a senior man, early 70ies but still well in form, especially with women ;-). He is an impulsive, uncouth and power-hungry guy.
He is at least OT 5, knew that his son was ill and didn't give a shit about him.
And most hypocritcal: Whenever a Scientologist dies in the Stuttgart scene, Stucki is the Scientology-Chaplain in black cowl and holds a funeral speech.

Here is another voice, from a faithful Scientologist. He has been dropping by on IRC a couple of times, and I know him, so the likelihood that he is a troll is very low. I promised him months ago that what we talk about in the private query stays between us two. As this happened in a public channel, though, and not a query, I can post this alright :)

Note: the nickname of this Scientologist has been changed so as to protect his identity. Other than that, to not give the Scientologist any reason to complain about him being misquoted, or quoted out of context, I give the complete first part of the discussion in english without any censorship at all. I didn't want to translate the whole discussion, because most of it is the usual Scilon shit about not respecting religion etc... the German original is appended to this post in full, though.

[20:42:58] Scientologist364 [********@desu-B977B5EF.muh.com] has joined #xenu-stuttgart
[20:56:39] <Ackerland> hi
[20:56:42] Scientologist364 is Scientologist364!********@desu-379072DB.muh.com
[20:56:42] Scientologist364's real name: *********************************
[20:56:42] Scientologist364's channels: +#untitledhosting, #pv.ro, #pvcon, #xemu, #xenu-berlin, #xenu-freiburg, #xenu-stuttgart, #xenu-ger, #xenu, @#muh
[20:56:42] Scientologist364's server: irc.blabstation.net - Blabstation Premium IRC Networks
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[20:56:42] Scientologist364's signon time: Fri Oct 17 20:42:19 2008
[20:56:42] Scientologist364 WHOIS info from irc.blabstation.net
[20:59:20] <Scientologist364> hi
[21:00:59] <Ackerland> so, how are you?
[21:04:47] <Scientologist364> well, and you?
[21:05:39] <Ackerland> Did you hear? Stucki's son has died in the RPF in PAC in Los Angeles :/
[21:05:48] <Ackerland> Multiple Sclerosis, didn't get any medicine.
[21:06:08] <Scientologist364> What does RIP mean?
[21:06:21] <Ackerland> Rest in Piece
[21:06:26] <Ackerland> Peace
[21:06:35] <Scientologist364> Thanks
[21:07:07] <Scientologist364> Am I the only one who appears here from time to time?
[21:07:24] <Ackerland> no
[21:07:40] <Scientologist364> other Scientologists?
[21:07:46] <Ackerland> no
[21:07:50] <Ackerland> noone.
[21:08:29] <Ackerland> well, I mean from the Scientologists.
[21:08:38] <Scientologist364> that's what I meant.
[21:08:44] <Scientologist364> I'm gone in a minute.
[21:08:53] <Scientologist364> to the above: did he want medicine?
[21:09:26] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: he believed that Dianetics could cure him and the upper OT levels.
[21:09:45] <Scientologist364> I would have thought so too, I wouldn't wanted to have any.
[21:10:13] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: With multiple sclerosis, people can still live for a long time, with the right medication.
[21:10:46] <Ackerland> if they don't get it, the illness progresses alot faster.
[21:10:48] <Scientologist364> that's why your positioning wrong. "didn'tget any" and "didn't want any" is something different.
[21:11:02] <Scientologist364> keep in mind: we in Scientology know that we're immortal as thetans.
[21:11:16] <Scientologist364> what do we care about our body, better take a new one.
[21:11:42] <Ackerland> The RPF Insider Newsletter #6
[21:12:09] <Ackerland> already 2004 they wrote about the situation of Uwe Stuckenbrock.
[21:12:09] <Scientologist364> <censored because of namefag>, you are a giant asshole. You simply never accept those religious beliefs.
[21:12:54] <Scientologist364> Rights are unknown to you. Religion is a right.
[21:13:21] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: You may believe in Xenu, but when people have to suffer because of Scientology.. That guy had multiple sclerosis, dammit.
[21:13:27] <Ackerland> and had to rot in the RPF.
[21:13:42] <Ackerland> because he allegedly is guilty for his own condition.
[21:13:48] <Scientologist364> bullshit. RFP is not a gulag, like you alrways make it out to be.
[21:14:31] <Ackerland> not talking as long as you are not talked to...
[21:14:34] <Scientologist364> but i don't need to discuss this with you anyways, you are a bone-headed, totally wound-up, remotely controlled idiot in disguise, not even an SP, just stupid.
[21:14:58] <Ackerland> I find that funny that this comes from a Scientologist.
[21:15:41] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: I don't need someone to tell me that whose CoB mistreats and beats up his subordinates.
[21:16:00] <Scientologist364> well, tolerance also means to accept something that you cannot understand or want to understand.
[21:16:26] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: if you want to believe in Xenu that's fine! Maybe the tech even helps you, that's nice and cool
[21:16:26] <Scientologist364> I don't agree with the bullshit you and those pages etc about Scientology dish out.
[21:16:31] <Scientologist364> even if it was true
[21:16:39] <Scientologist364> even then
[21:16:48] <Scientologist364> it would only be just if that would be tolerated.
[21:16:52] <Ackerland> but I am against the human rights abusing practices of Scientology.
[21:17:04] <Scientologist364> yeah yeah
[21:17:05] <Scientologist364> bla bla
[21:17:06] <Ackerland> uwe stuckenbrock was security chief on the gold base
[21:17:19] <Scientologist364> you are like with the Nazis. A hanger-on, being important, pretending to be important
[21:17:35] <Ackerland> yes, that's really easy to start with Nazi comparisons, right?
[21:17:36] <Scientologist364> see i say, i talk against a brick wall.
[21:17:56] <Scientologist364> who is religiously intolerant here?
[21:17:58] <Scientologist364> it's you, isn't it?
[21:18:07] <Ackerland> Why? Believe in Xenu if you want
[21:18:17] <Ackerland> but if you have justified criticism against the Scientology organisation
[21:18:26] <Ackerland> then you are immediately "religiously intolerant"?
[21:18:37] <Scientologist364> it is, that's what you have to understand.
[21:18:44] <Ackerland> no
[21:18:44] <Scientologist364> religion is everything from a-z
[21:18:46] <Ackerland> it's not.
[21:18:55] <Scientologist364> fuck you, i won't talk with you any more.
[21:18:58] <Ackerland> i can also criticize the catholic church with its pope.
[21:18:59] <Ackerland> yes
[21:19:00] <Scientologist364> you are a hanger-on.
[21:19:01] <Ackerland> kritik ist evil
[21:19:02] <Ackerland> right?
[21:19:08] <Ackerland> that's marvelous how you arranged that for yourself.
[21:19:12] <Ackerland> and you even believe that shit.
[21:19:25] <Ackerland> but in the org not everyone is as convinced as you are-
[21:19:44] <Scientologist364> "believing" is not the right word, I know you didn't even read the book and haven't understood anything at all.
[21:20:14] <Scientologist364> in the org? what do you want to know about "in the org"?
[21:20:19] <Ackerland> well sorry, someone who promises me my iq is raised with every hour of auditing I cannot take seriously. There would have to run around lots of bright sparks in Scientology.
[21:20:31] <Scientologist364> thanks, I am.
[21:20:36] <Ackerland> lol :)
[21:20:45] <Ackerland> yes, Mr. Einstein :)
[21:21:48] <Scientologist364> well that wouldn't be my major win, but my IQ went from 118 to 151, that's ok, isn't it?
[21:22:27] <Scientologist364> and because of these subjective wins I call on people like you to tolerate.
[21:22:57] <Scientologist364> and being self-critical and to recognize how you are being used..
[21:22:59] <Scientologist364> period.
The rest is the usual Scientology blabla. I posted it in the german version but didn't translate it.


These are the german originals:

Uwe kommt ursprünglich aus Stuttgart. Der Vater von Uwe ist Dieter Stuckenbrock, genannt Stucki.
Er ist neben Gabi Korell seit vielen Jahren der zweite Mann in der Stuttgarter Org!

In der Org wird Stucki als der heimliche Herrscher angesehen, also derjenige, der eigentlich das Sagen hat. Es ist ein älterer Herr, anfang 70, aber noch sehr gut drauf, vor allem was Frauen anbelangt ;-). Es ist ein sehr impulsiver, proletischer und herrschsüchtiger Typ.
Er ist mindestens OT 5, wusste dass sein Sohn krank war und hat sich einen Scheiss um ihn gekümmert.

Und das scheinheiligste ist: Immer wenn in der Stuttgarter Szene Scientologen sterben, tritt Stucki als Scientology-Kaplan in schwarzer Kutte auf und hält eine Trauerrrede

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[20:56:42] Scientologist364's real name: *********************************
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[20:59:20] <Scientologist364> hi
[21:00:59] <Ackerland> na, wie geht es dir?
[21:04:47] <Scientologist364> gut und du?
[21:05:39] <Ackerland> ja. schon mitgekriegt? Stuckis Sohn ist im RPF in PAC in Los Angeles verstorben :/
[21:05:48] <Ackerland> Multiple Sklerose, keine Medikamente gekriegt.
[21:06:08] <Scientologist364> was heisst RIP?
[21:06:21] <Ackerland> Rest in Piece
[21:06:26] <Ackerland> Peace
[21:06:35] <Scientologist364> Danke
[21:07:07] <Scientologist364> Bin ich der absolut einzige der hier ab und an auftaucht?
[21:07:24] <Ackerland> nein
[21:07:40] <Scientologist364> noch andere Scientologen?
[21:07:46] <Ackerland> nein
[21:07:50] <Ackerland> gar niemand
[21:08:29] <Ackerland> also nicht von den scientologen
[21:08:38] <Scientologist364> das meinte ich.
[21:08:44] <Scientologist364> bin gleich wieder weg
[21:08:53] <Scientologist364> zu oben noch: wollte er Medikamente?
[21:09:26] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: er hat geglaubt, dass dianetik ihn heilen koennte, und die oberen stufe.
[21:09:45] <Scientologist364> hätte ich auch gedacht, ich hätte auch keine gewollt.
[21:10:13] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: bei multipler sklerose können die menschen noch lange leben, bei den richtigen medikamenten
[21:10:46] <Ackerland> wenn sie die nicht kriegen, dann schreitet die krankheit sehr viel schneller fort.
[21:10:48] <Scientologist364> deswegen ist dein positioning falsch "keine gekriet" und "keine gewollt" ist was anderes
[21:11:02] <Scientologist364> und bedenke wir scientologen wissen, dass wir als Thetan unsterblich sind,
[21:11:16] <Scientologist364> was kümmert uns ein Körper, lieber nochmal ein neuen nehmen
[21:11:42] <Ackerland> The RPF Insider Newsletter #6
[21:12:09] <Ackerland> da stand schon 2004 über die situation von uwe stuckenbrock
[21:12:09] <Scientologist364> <zensiert wegen namefaggings>, du bist ein riesenarschloch, Du tust einfach nie die religösen Anschauungen akzeptieren.
[21:12:54] <Scientologist364> Rechte sind Dir nicht bekannt. Religion ist ein Recht.
[21:13:21] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: du darfst gerne an xenu glauben, aber wenn menschen wegen scientology leiden müssen. Der mann hatte Multiple Sklerose, verdammt noch mal
[21:13:27] <Ackerland> und musste im RPF verrotten
[21:13:42] <Ackerland> weil er ja angeblich selber schuld ist an seinem zustand
[21:13:48] <Scientologist364> bullshit. RFP ist kein Gulag, wie ihr es immer darstellt,
[21:14:31] <Ackerland> nicht reden solange man angeredet wird
[21:14:34] <Scientologist364> aber mit Dir brauch ich nicht diskutieren, du bist ein verkappter, verbohrter, völlig aufgewickelter, fremdbestimmter idiot, noch nichtmal ein SP einfach nur doof
[21:14:58] <Ackerland> dass das von einem scientologen kommt, finde ich lustig.
[21:15:41] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: das brauche ich mir nicht von jemanden sagen lassen, dessen CoB seine Untergebenen schlägt und misshandelt
[21:16:00] <Scientologist364> also, zu toleranz gehört auch etwas zu akzeptieren, was du nicht verstehen kannst oder willst
[21:16:26] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: wenn du an xenu glauben willst, gerne! vielleicht hilft dir die tech auch, das ist ja schön und gut
[21:16:26] <Scientologist364> ich stimme nicht mit dem überein, was du und die Seiten usw. über Scientology für ein Bullshit verzapfen,
[21:16:31] <Scientologist364> aber wenn es war wäre
[21:16:39] <Scientologist364> selbst dann
[21:16:48] <Scientologist364> wäre es nur gerecht, wenn das toleriert wird
[21:16:52] <Ackerland> aber ich bin gegen die menschenrechtsverachtenden praktiken von scientology
[21:17:04] <Scientologist364> ja ja
[21:17:05] <Scientologist364> bla bla
[21:17:06] <Ackerland> uwe stuckenbrock war security chief auf der gold base
[21:17:19] <Scientologist364> du bist einfach wie bei den Nazis, mitlaufen, wichtig sein, wichtig tun.
[21:17:35] <Ackerland> ja, das ist wirklich einfach, hier nazi vergleiche anzustellen, nicht wahr?
[21:17:36] <Scientologist364> ich sag, doch, ich red gegen eine Wand.
[21:17:56] <Scientologist364> wer ist den religös intollerant hier?
[21:17:58] <Scientologist364> du oder?
[21:18:07] <Ackerland> wieso? glaub doch an xenu wenn du willst
[21:18:17] <Ackerland> aber wenn man berechtige kritik hat an der Scientology organisation
[21:18:26] <Ackerland> dann ist man gleich "religiös intolerant"?
[21:18:37] <Scientologist364> ist es auch, das musst du kapieren
[21:18:44] <Ackerland> nein
[21:18:44] <Scientologist364> religion ist alles von a-z
[21:18:46] <Ackerland> das ist es nicht
[21:18:55] <Scientologist364> fuck you, ich red mit dir nicht weiter
[21:18:58] <Ackerland> ich kann genauso die katholische kirche mit ihrem papst kritisieren
[21:18:59] <Ackerland> ja
[21:19:00] <Scientologist364> du bist ein mitläufer
[21:19:01] <Ackerland> kritik ist böse
[21:19:02] <Ackerland> gell?
[21:19:08] <Ackerland> das ist ja ganz toll wie du dir das arrangiert hast
[21:19:12] <Ackerland> und du glaubst den scheiss auch noch
[21:19:25] <Ackerland> aber in der org sind nicht alle so überzeugt wie du
[21:19:44] <Scientologist364> glauben ist garnicht der richtige begriff, ich weiss, du hast noch nichtmal ein Buch gelesen und hast null kapiert
[21:20:14] <Scientologist364> in der org? was willst du den von "in der org" wissen?
[21:20:19] <Ackerland> also sorry, jemand der mir verspricht mein iq steigt mit jeder stunde auditing kann ich nicht ernst nehmen.. da müssten ja in scientology voll die intelligenzbolzen rumlaufen
[21:20:31] <Scientologist364> danke, bin ich
[21:20:36] <Ackerland> lol :)
[21:20:45] <Ackerland> ja, herr einstein :)
[21:21:48] <Scientologist364> naja, das wäre jetzt nicht mein major win, aber der IQ ging von 120 auf 148, ist doch okay, oder?
[21:22:27] <Scientologist364> und wegen solchen subjektiven gewinnen fordere ich leute wie dich auf zu tollerieren.
[21:22:57] <Scientologist364> und selbstkritisch zu sein, und zu erkennen benutzt zu werden
[21:22:59] <Scientologist364> ende
[21:23:05] <Ackerland> von wem werde ich benutzt?
[21:23:40] <Ackerland> ich mein dass ihr inzwischen der festen überzeugung seid wir werden von psychiatern bezahlt wissen wir ja schon+
[21:23:47] <Scientologist364> think about it, think about it for long, there is an answer to this question, answer it for yourself.
[21:23:59] <Scientologist364> nein, nicht die psychs
[21:24:18] <Ackerland> na dann halt vom BND ;)
[21:24:48] <Scientologist364> nein, nicht so einfach, tiefer philosphischer
[21:24:52] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: du sagst, "du weißt" und nicht "du glaubst"
[21:24:59] <Ackerland> das ist keine religion imho
[21:25:10] <Ackerland> obwohl.. na gut das schließt es ja noch nicht aus
[21:25:29] <Ackerland> aber du sagst, kritik an der scientology organisation ist religiös intolerant, richtig?
[21:25:35] <Scientologist364> ich sag doch, du blickst Scientology einfach nicht und wirst es nicht, bist Du den Körper droppst und dann geh du ruhig in die nächste implant station
[21:26:28] <Ackerland> lol :)
[21:26:43] <Ackerland> du "weißt" ja, dass das passieren wird ;)
[21:26:45] <Scientologist364> schau, wenn du nicht drauf kommst, die ganze anti-propaganda im kollektiven, getrieben durch die SP's mit den Overts gegen scientology beeinflusst dich so dermassen einseitig, dass du mit dem mob
[21:26:48] <Scientologist364> mitrennst
[21:26:50] <Ackerland> nicht "du glaubst", nein, "du weißt"
[21:26:57] <Scientologist364> wie so mancher Nazi ... damals
[21:28:05] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: wenn ich halt sachen lesen muss, dass LRH in Science of Survival vorschlägt, Leprakranke und Bettler einzusammeln und wegzuschaffen damit es gesellschaften bessser geht, fühle ich mich an die nazis erinnert
[21:28:28] <Scientologist364> you can be right
[21:29:01] <Scientologist364> scientology ist eine Religion und die Werke müssen alle studiert werden, dann im richtigen Zusammenhang ist es ganz anders
[21:29:15] <Scientologist364> LRH ist der grösste Menschenfreund
[21:29:24] <Scientologist364> basta
[21:29:24] <Ackerland> "A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country."
[21:29:24] <Ackerland> - L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 171
[21:29:24] <Ackerland>
[21:29:33] <Ackerland> "collecting and destroying"
[21:29:50] <Ackerland> wie kann man das so aus dem kontext nehmen, dass es nicht mehr klingt wie die Endlösung der nazis?
[21:29:52] <Scientologist364> oh man, hast du das ganze buch gelesen? Ich kenne das Zitat, ich das Buch erst neulich wieder gelesen.
[21:30:19] <Scientologist364> es ist völlig falsch es ohne Kontext zu zitieren, das ist was mich sagen lässt: Du bist ein Arsch
[21:30:41] <Scientologist364> ich kann dir aus jeder Religion solch inkorrekte Zitate rausholen, ohne Kontext völlig unfair
[21:30:54] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: gegenfrage: wie kann man dieses zitat retten, dass es sich selbst im kontext nicht anhört wie bei den nazis?
[21:31:45] <Scientologist364> das krieg ich nicht in einer Zeile hin, aber es geht hier um ein Gesamtbild, das mit Theta und Entheta und Lowtone und Uptone zu tun hat.
[21:31:52] <Scientologist364> er will damit nicht sagen es so zu tun
[21:32:02] <Scientologist364> er will damit aufzeigen wie lowtones die uptones runterziehen
[21:32:20] <Ackerland> moment, ich geh mal in DSMH
[21:32:29] <Scientologist364> er will in dem ganzen buch die methode beschreiben wie man lowtones glücklicher macht und für alle ein beitrag leisten können
[21:32:48] <Scientologist364> es geht immer darum leute glücklicher und fähiger zu machen,
[21:32:53] <Scientologist364> was sagst du dazu?
[21:34:28] <Ackerland> Scientologist364: schreibt er nicht eher, in Science of Survival, dass man diejenigen auf der Tonskala <= 2.0 mit den techniken von LRH über 2.0 bringen soll?
[21:34:58] <Scientologist364> ja und was ist daran falsch?
[21:35:38] <Scientologist364> hab ich gerade auch gesagt.
[21:35:48] <Ackerland> "The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such ['1.1, or covertly hostile, low-toned'] persons from society to avoid the contagion of their insanities and the general turbulence which they bring into any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale, or processing such person until they have attained a level on the tone scale which gives them value.
[21:36:21] <Scientologist364> erstens steht da "would"
[21:36:28] <Scientologist364> zweitens find ich, den satz richtig
[21:36:33] <Ackerland> ja, moment
[21:36:41] <Scientologist364> drittens, geht es darum Thetans von ihrem Elend zu befreien,
[21:37:13] <Ackerland> wenn man die scientology vorstellung übersetzt leute auf der tonskala unter 2 seinen kriminell, dann kann man ja noch sagen, dass die ins gefängnis müssen
[21:37:14] <Scientologist364> schau, meine 8 Dynamiken sind mir wichtig, ich will dass alle glücklich werden, leider gehörst sogar du zu meinen 8 Dynamiken
[21:37:14] <Ackerland> ok
[21:37:20] <Scientologist364> so, ich hab genug
[21:37:36] <Ackerland> da könnte ich noch sagen "ja"
[21:37:38] <Ackerland> In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the tone scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints."
[21:37:48] <Ackerland> aber das hier dann ist nicht mehr korrekt. und das kritisiere ich
[21:37:55] <Ackerland> jo, ok, gute nacht :)
[21:38:07] <Scientologist364> quark, du bist ein verdreher, ein pseudointellektueller argumentierer und diskutierer ohne Anstand, keine gute Nacht
[21:38:07] Scientologist364 [********@desu-B977B5EF.muh.com] has quit IRC: Quit:
[21:38:13] <Ackerland> lol :)
 

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Shiny & Free
From the Hamburg Protests 18th Oct 2008

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Matex

Patron
<Ackerland> Scientologist364: You may believe in Xenu, but when people have to suffer because of Scientology.. That guy had multiple sclerosis, dammit.

When someone says "belief in Xenu", it's often a Scientologist trying to be cute.

They "believe in Xenu" like Christians "believe in Satan", which is to say that they can truthfully deny worshiping this entity, though they won't deny their belief he existed.
 

anonmom

Patron with Honors
Let's see if I got this right. The CoS supported Uwe to choose to not take medication for his MS. But when Uwe CHOSE to leave the Sea Org, this "church" refused his request and dumped him into the RPF and would not let him out. They took every human right away from him and sat back and watched his health deteriorate for YEARS until he died.

Jim Jones sank a little lower, but not much.
 
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