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Please help me to get more information about the suffering and death of my brother

Discussion in 'Fair Game and Disconnection Victims' started by Markus, Oct 12, 2008.

  1. Iknowtoomuch

    Iknowtoomuch Gold Meritorious Patron

    There is HUGE pressure from the people around you to stay. Even your own friends put this pressure on you and make you feel like you are stabbbing them in the back if you were to leave. It's quite evil actually.
    Someone has made their choice yet they are heavily pressured to stay. And convinced the outside world will eat them up and they would have nothing.
  2. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    Umgang mit den Informationen über den Tod meines Bruders Uwe Stuckenbrock

    Als ich vor einigen Tagen meinen Hilferuf bezüglich des Todes meines Bruders Uwe im ESMB ins Netz gestellt hatte, war mir nicht bewusst, was das für eine Lawine auslöst. Eine Lawine, die auch leider viele negative Erscheinungen mit sich brachte. Deshalb möchte ich hier jetzt einmal klarstellen, was ich mit meinem Hilferuf nicht erreichen wollte:

    Ich möchte nicht, dass meine Familie noch mehr unter dieser Geschichte leiden muss und vor allem will ich nicht, dass Unwahrheiten über sie verbreitet werden. Uwe kam zum Beispiel nicht aus Stuttgart. Es stimmt nicht, dass sich mein Vater gar nicht um Uwe gekümmert hat. Er hatte ihn wiederholt im Jahre 2006 und 2007 in LA besucht und war ab 2005 regelmäßig mit ihm telefonisch in Kontakt, um sich über sein Befinden und seinen gesundheitlichen Zustand auf dem Laufenden zu halten.

    Ich bin nicht damit einverstanden, dass irgendwelche Interessensgruppen den Tod meines Bruders für ihre Zwecke missbrauchen. Ich erwarte von jedem den nötigen Respekt vor dem tragischen Tod meines Bruders, Ich wehre mich daher gegen jegliche Verbreitung von Halb- oder Unwahrheiten, die mit seinem Tod irgendwelche Unterstellungen verbinden und bestehe auf nachweisbaren Fakten.

    Ich distanziere mich hiermit klar von allen Bestrebungen und Versuchen jener, die den Tod meines Bruders für irgendwelche Kontroversen und subjektiven Interessen missbrauchen wollen und werde es nicht zulassen, mich zum Werkzeug irgendeiner Seite machen zu lassen.

    Ich bin weiterhin damit befasst, Informationen über Uwes Leben zu sammeln und werde dann für mich entscheiden, welche weiteren Schritte ich unbeeinflusst von dritter Seite unternehmen sollte oder auch nicht. Ich bitte alle, dies zu respektieren.

    Wer immer daran interessiert ist auf welchem Stand ich aktuell bin kann sich gerne hier an mich mit der Bitte wenden ihm oder ihr die aktuellen Informationen in einer persönlichen Nachricht zukommen zu lassen.
    Und ich bin nach wie vor sehr dankbar über jede objektive Information über Uwes Leben in der Sea Org. Ich weiß jetzt schon viel mehr aber lange noch nicht genug. Noch einmal vielen Dank an alle die mich in diesem Board mit Informationen über Uwe versorgt haben.

    Ganz Liebe Grüße
  3. Ananon

    Ananon Patron

    Edited Google translation

  4. Pixie

    Pixie Crusader

    Thank you Markus. I have no doubt everyone appreciates and respects what you are saying here. :)

    Thank you also Ananon for the Google translation.
  5. tgack

    tgack Patron

    Of course!

    Respecting your wishes is the only decent thing to do.

    Nothing is totally black or white in most matters, there are also countless shades of grey, so...

    First of all we are all humans, and we all more or less care for each others.

    I don't think anyone really wanted all this to happen, but the fact is that it did. And what does that tell us?

    I have once again seen evidence, that Scn does not have anything good to bring to the world at all, and the craziness of the RPF-thing is just un-imaginable.

    I have followed this story for the last week, and among other things I have found out, that I actually know two persons who currently are at the RPF PAC, the same place as Uwe was. And one of them is actually a relative.

    This is just not right! It's wrong, and it just has to be stopped!

    I can't stop thinking, who will be the next one? Will it be one of my relatives?

    I can imagine that this must be a very difficult situation for you family-wise Marcus, and I can see myself in a similar situation at some point in the future, which I of course hope will not happen.

    I hope things will turn out right for you, but I also hope that this matter will be investigated thoroughly, so this can not happen again.

    I don't know what else to say...

    Good luck!

    And I would really like to know, when you have more information about what happened, if not in public then in PMs.

    Best regards from Dänemark.

  6. rich

    rich Silver Meritorious Patron

    Markus, some of the misinformation may come from OSA. I wish you the best. Very sorry that your brother died. Thankyou for your letter.
  7. feline

    feline Patron Meritorious


    I stand with so many others who wish only that your grief be lightened and that you are able to find solace. I don't think anyone has said anything with bad intention but understand this disclaimer.

    My prayers remain with you and with your family. I have myself recently lost a dear family member. I know that the pain goes on and the grieving almost becomes a part of you. May you find peace from this.
  8. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    We need more informations about following questions-please help!

    -can anybody in LA contact the physiotherapist (one supposedly visited him in the blue building) of Uwe in order to get more informations. Telephone numbers and adresses of all physiotherapists near the PAC building?
    -does anybody know in which hospitals Uwe went to when he was in very bad condition in the PAC RPF? Names of responsible doctors in these hospitals.
    -does anybody know more about the last year of Uwes life. 2007 - 2008.
    -In which sanatorium did he live then or was he still living in the blue PAC building?
    -does anybody know more about his blow from the Sea-Org in 1997?
    -is it true that DM has a relationship with Laurisse Stuckenbrock and where is his wife right now? Is it true that she is missing?
    -does anybody know if Stephen Wills and a guy named Alan Richard Povall are still Sea Org staffmembers. How can i contact them.
    -Are Karen Wagner Rudy B. Ferguson still in Scientology - how can I contact one of them?
    -does somebody know when Uwe exactly got the diagnosis MS?
    -how was Uwe treated in the RPF over the years? Is it true that he had a special provision in the RPF? Did he always had to run" in the beginning and untill when?
    -everybody in this or other Ex Scientology boards who lives in LA - can you please try to get any Information you can find about Uwes Life?! Please help me to investigate this matter!
    -All people who read this and live in LA or know something about Uwes life please let me know!
    -Does anybody know anything about the ceremony for Uwe in LA? Please let me know. Who was there. Did he have any real friends at the end. How can I contact them?
    -what kind of medical care was provided for him? Exactly with periods of time!
    -every person reading this and living in LA please help me to investigate this case!
    -is anybody here in contact with Laurisse Stuckenbrock or with her sister?

    This Thread you can post whereever you want to.

    Thanks for your help!

  9. UkAnony

    UkAnony Patron Meritorious

  10. Kathy (ImOut)

    Kathy (ImOut) Gold Meritorious Patron

    If Uwe was at Pac Base then it's more than likely he would have gotten medical treatment at Olive View - a county hospital near LA. Here's a link with phone numbers:

    From what I heard back when I was still involved in the CofS, this is where staff was sent for medical care (abortions, etc.), since if you don't have money, they treat you for free or at a very reduced rate.
  11. UkAnony

    UkAnony Patron Meritorious

  12. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    Thank You...

    .....for your help.


  13. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    I need to talk to Seenitall!

    Hello Seenitall!
    Please let me know how I can contact you. You seem to know more about Uwes life. If anybody else can help me to contact Seenitall - please let me know.
    Thank you!
  14. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Markus, if you post in the "Help" section, only logged in members can see your post. It would be better in General Discussion so a wider audience can see and maybe pass on a message. Good luck!
  15. Dilettante

    Dilettante Patron Meritorious

    Markus, you have come a long way

    Good graciuos, it's been 3 years. Who can take a tragedy and turn it into a lesson for all of us? You can and you have. God bless you and your family.

  16. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    BUMP !


    We all need a reminder - today.
  17. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    And there is still a long way to go.....

    Oh Dilettante I don't deserve so much praise. Thank you so much for the good wishes for my family:)

    Much love
  18. lalfan

    lalfan New Member

    Dear Marcus,

    I read the earlier posts and wanted to tell you something about your brother. I knew him 2000 when he was in the RPF. I want to clear up a few things. While Uwe was in the RPF, he was not subject to the same rules as other RPFers. He did not run or work doing manual labor. Probably he should not have been in the RPF but that is for another thread.

    I observed him and he was being treated with respect. He had many friends in the RPF and while he was not happy to be sick, he appeared content. I remember Uve as a gregarious person who liked to laugh and liked people. Despite the limitations of his body, he tried to enjoy life and the people around him.

    I do not know all the specifics of his care but I observed him getting regular medical care as well as natural remedies. He was treated by the Los Angeles
    County medical community in their hospitals and this is one of the best public health programs in the country.

    While the people who administer the RPF may have had their own agendas, the people who took care of Uve gave him the best care possible. They sincerely wanted to help him in any way possible and he was not suffering.

    I know this is a public forum and people will probably debate every paragraph here. My purpose is not to start any type of debate, simply to state that when I saw Uwe, he was getting humane care, he was not unhappy and the people around him loved him.
  19. Markus

    Markus Silver Meritorious Patron

    Nice to meet you here lalfan :)

    Dear Lalfan,
    I know that Uwe had people in the RPF who cared for him in LA. I know that the medical care in the PAC RPF was better than in Happy valley. But still his medical files tell me that they did only try the methods against his MS which are ok in the mindset of a Scientology world. And I know that the people who took care for Uwe had no nursing or medical qualification at all. The big crimes happened earlier in his life at the international headquarters near Hemet and in the RPF in Happy Valley. This thread is a very old one. Please read my other threads about Uwe and his life in the Sea Org. But still they commited the crime in LA to hinder his mother to help him with proper medication between 2002 and 2004.
    If one knows how important it is to fight against this severe illness in the very beginning then you will see that it was too late then - much too late.
    He had the first symptoms in 1988 and that it was not possible for him to get the regular medical support which he would have needed then is only one of the big crimes of the responsible people of this "most ethical group on this planet" at the International Headquarters.

    It seems that you knew Uwe quite well - so would you please be so kind and tell me any little detail you can remember? Please send me a PM. You could help me to get a bit of my brother back.:yes:
    I hope you will contact me soon - until then thank you for contacting me in this matter.

    Last edited: Feb 27, 2011
  20. Lurker5

    Lurker5 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Re: Please help me to get more information about the suffering and death of my brothe