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[secretiveoldfag]

Now more than [strike]330[/strike] 340 non-replies to Crazy Camera Lady.

Perhaps I fell into a coma and then woke up 50 posts later without realising it but I don't remember seeing any reaction whatsoever from CoS or Moxon or OSAOSAOSA or their goons.

Did I miss something?

 

[TG1]

Hell, at this point I'm just in it for the lulz.

I said about four billion posts back that she should shut up. In fact, I think I said it several times. But she won't.

So if the wreck's gonna happen, and I can't stop the wreck, then I'll watch the wreck. Oh, the humanity!



TG1

 

[Purple Rain]

I don't want to know why you're posting things that OSA and Moxon don't want posted. I don't want to know why you're opening and uploading documents that OSA, SO, Scientology & Moxon don't want you to have or distribute. I don't want to know how I got to Opposite World, I just want to go home!

Let's see how many other people can we get to need to hire Ray Jeffrey... gee, thanks, Yuliya! Hope everyone's cashed up!

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

I finished the EPF in seven days. I had been in the Sea Org between 1977-1980, but never actually did the EPF or Products. I was hatted some on the various FOs and BOs. Actually, I stayed up all day and night once so get hatted on "Mission School" so that I could get sent on a mission, and I may have had to do one or both EPF courses for that. Funny, at 7 a.m. in the morning, without any sleep, feeling today wasted, I left from NYC (FOLO EUS) with Al/Kate Bornstein, heading to Boston Org!

I left and then went back in about 1984-86. It was in 1984 that I finished in 7 days.

I was a fast student. I was also Fast Flow. I also had read most of the stuff before on other courses. I had already done the Student Hat, so no need to do the BSM. As I recall it really amounted to 2 or 3 fairly short courses dealing with mostly Sea Org crap.

10 days is not unheard of.

I too did the Mission School, Third Class on an all-nighter!

Launched the next morning!

 

[Purple Rain]

Now more than [strike]330[/strike] 340 non-replies to Crazy Camera Lady.

Perhaps I fell into a coma and then woke up 50 posts later without realising it but I don't remember seeing any reaction whatsoever from CoS or Moxon or OSAOSAOSA or their goons.

Did I miss something?

Well, Karen got a nastygram from the cult, which I'm STILL annoyed at Yuliya about. That's more than enough as far as I'm concerned. It's not as if we're expecting Karin Pouw to issue a statement or Moxon to log on are we?

Edit: I think I'm just going to put Yuliya on ignore. She doesn't deserve the attention and I can't stand the woman.

 

[Gadfly]

Well, she sent me (via PM) some links to photos in a photobucket account that were obviously taken from Sea Org policies, course packs, or books. They didn't seem to be confidential or of any subject matter that might fall under the idea of "trade secrets". But I don't doubt that the Sea Org goofballs would NOT want this stuff broadly publicized. It just makes them out more to be the total lunatics that they are.

I am not about to post them here, or relay them in any way, but I would enjoy seeing them posted here to view and discuss.

The photos are already ON photobucket. We just need the links. Or the images posted as I described how to do above.

 

[AnonyMary]

No, I did my product 1 in a month, because I'm fast flow student.

Mission course is one of Product 1 courses. Plus, when I was at Flag I already did all that coursed, that was easy

How could you do this fast flow in your recent visit under the fake name, when you did M1 at Flag or elsewhere back in the 1990's under your real name?

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Through no volition of my own, I got sucked in to the Yuliya saga.
She sent me very hard core expose and details of what occurred privately with the lawyers, Ken Moxon and others and her in the interrogations. She sent me this via ESMB mail box because I had blocked her on facebook and general Email such as AOL. gmail and Facebook.
I did not respond to her very private ESMB mail box revelations, but sent her updates to my lawyer Ray Jeffrey.
Oh Boy.
Many on Facebook pleaded with Yuliya to stop posting.....
so Yuliya defiantly moves to You Tube.
Someone just leaked to me.
Tampon jokes aside, this is a good lesson to the *Church* for tangling themselves IN.​

Now I am being dragged into this quagmire through a PM! My response was as follows:

I am following my own well-published advice to all in this matter: Block, delete, or report. I cannot afford to be involved in this matter on a health basis, and you cannot afford my involvement on a financial basis---international transport (including passport and visa costs), accommodation and sustenance, compensation for the resultant compromise of my anonymity etc..

I have deliberately avoided reading any of the forwarded content. You have admitted that you were well-advised by people not to proceed with this folly. I am in no position to provide any form of support other than useless sympathy.

RPX

Yes, I myself was involved with OSA in Australia. I was involved in many personal confidential communications for many people and, I have never compromised any of them (most would be forgotten). I am not about to start now.

My personal story is linked in my signature. That is a much and as little as I have to say. I left in 1986 and I am still screwed up as a result.

 

[Panda Termint]

I just read your story in the sig link, RPX. I can't believe that I somehow missed it before (or have forgotten that I read it).
It is Excellent, thank you!

 

[Adam7986]

I understand the reluctance to get involved in the situation, and I would not want to get involved either considering the church's proclivity for legal action. But I am curious, for those who have some insider knowledge of the situation, was it what she DID that was so wrong, or the information she brought out of it?

 

[Emma]

How could you do this fast flow in your recent visit under the fake name, when you did M1 at Flag or elsewhere back in the 1990's under your real name?

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Yes that was going to be my question too.

Fast Flow requires completion of Student Hat & Method One. She didn't have time for that.

Gee, something is not adding up here.

 

[degraded being]

Hell, at this point I'm just in it for the lulz.

I said about four billion posts back that she should shut up. In fact, I think I said it several times. But she won't.

So if the wreck's gonna happen, and I can't stop the wreck, then I'll watch the wreck. Oh, the humanity!



TG1

Me too....for the lulz...

 

[Anonycat]

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Yes that was going to be my question too.

Fast Flow requires completion of Student Hat & Method One. She didn't have time for that.

Gee, something is not adding up here.

I was another person thinking that, and later, why is she using the email account she shares with 100 people and OSA too, to retrieve dox and post them?

 

[Smurf]

I understand the reluctance to get involved in the situation, and I would not want to get involved either considering the church's proclivity for legal action. But I am curious, for those who have some insider knowledge of the situation, was it what she DID that was so wrong, or the information she brought out of it?

She's admitted on videos that she re-joined the Sea Org under false pretenses to deliberately spy & steal intellectual property from the church. Regardless, how one feels about the cult of Scamatology, that is still criminal behavior. She's not at all smart posting videos claiming she knew she had stolen documents.

What I find curious is that OSA had her sign affidavits under the name she used to enter the 2nd time versus her known legal name.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

OSA, you missed a potential marriage made in heaven ...



The only thing about this whole 'story' that seems odd to me (and I'll admit I've only glimpsed it and certainly couldn't listen to more than a few seconds of those horrendous whining videos) is why, oh why ... after realising what an unusual, flawed, devious, cartoon like and cunning character Mrs Firedragon is and the lengths she's willing to go to for her 'cause' ... didnt OSA (and its little band of lawyers) immediately grab her, embrace her and promote her straight to the top.

Everything else sounds perfectly standard ... all things considered.

:confused2:​

 

[Gadfly]

She's admitted on videos that she re-joined the Sea Org under false pretenses to deliberately spy & steal intellectual property from the church. Regardless, how one feels about the cult of Scamatology, that is still criminal behavior. She's not at all smart posting videos claiming she knew she had stolen documents.

What I find curious is that OSA had her sign affidavits under the name she used to enter the 2nd time versus her known legal name.

I am curious. What exactly does this "intellectual property" umbrella cover and what does it not cover?

Are Flag Orders considered to be "intellectual property"? Are Int Executive Directives considered to be IP?

Are OODs that Hubbard wrote in 1967, and which regges have copies of on Hard Sell, considered to be "IP"?

As far as I know it is entirely legal to quote sections of other "works". For example if a critic web site quoted sections of Sea Org publications that gave instructions about how staff were not allowed to create friendships with non-Sea Org staff, can anybody get in trouble? As far as I know, "no", so why would making copies of such things be "illegal" (if they are NOT distributed for profit)?

Would making a copy of the "Sea Org Hygiene Course" be "stealing intellectual property"?

How can the world ever learn the TRUTH about all the sordid details of what the Sea Org is, and how it does what it does, if it is protected behind this pretentious curtain of "intellectual property"?

Does the Church of Scientology actually try to say that ALL "inner office communications", including ALL directives and orders of any kind having to do with the Sea Org are "confidential", and NEVER allowed to be copied and published outside the organization? Can it actually say and do that? And thus keep its entire "operation" SECRET? I am sure that they would LIKE to be able to do that, but can they?

For example, sure, the details of some programming for a software package by Microsoft is "protected", but would the inter-office memos on how to conduct the company staff meeting and approve vacation time also be considered "protected"?

All of this information about how Hubbard, Miscavige and INT orders the staff to function (explained in detail in various SO issues) has little or nothing to do with the "product" (which as far as I know is what is actually "protected").

Any lawyers out there?

 

[R2-45]

I am curious. What exactly does this "intellectual property" umbrella cover and what does it not cover?...

Key word, copyright.

Here:

My Poem, a poem by R2-45

copyright © 2013 R2-45
all rights reserved

My Poem


Mine!

Is my copyright enforceable?

Think about it.

 

[AnonyMary]

She's admitted on videos that she re-joined the Sea Org under false pretenses to deliberately spy & steal intellectual property from the church. Regardless, how one feels about the cult of Scamatology, that is still criminal behavior. She's not at all smart posting videos claiming she knew she had stolen documents.

What I find curious is that OSA had her sign affidavits under the name she used to enter the 2nd time versus her known legal name.

Well, in one of her posts, perhaps the OP, she stats that she legally changed her name before infiltrating and used that name. But later information and posts do not support that, especially the letter Karen received name shown as Lia Kea aka Yuliya Keaton etc. However, she had and has since taken down a Facebook profile under this name " Lia Kea (Lilia Keanova) ", which still might be visible at this link

Was it ever legally changed like she says? And if so, what is the legal name? Lia Kia or Lilia Keanova?

She still uses Yuliya Keaton on her other Facebook.
Her name in her 2 open family court cases differs. In one case it's Yuliya Muniz and the other is Yuliya Muniz aka Yuliya Keaton. If she changed her name back in Oct or November 2012 when she began using Lia Kea on the internet, why isn't it changed for the court.

Here are some of her Lia Kia links
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lia-kea/54/a93/510
http://liakea.deviantart.com/
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_1kHRdl3eIq2MkLxuigi9w?feature=watch
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe9dgwDrQbNvrm491ycAfkw

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...Kea/498478266839621+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...p?v=118256621667740+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...Kea/487145294650051+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

This thread should just fucking die.

My personal opinion, it is like picking scabs from a mosquito's nose, why even bother, hey, there's music to catch up on, good folks to reunite with, a planet to haz fun on to save

iya.

 

[Anonycat]

Key word, copyright.

Here:





Is my copyright enforceable?

Think about it.

What do you think?