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[Gadfly]

Key word, copyright.

Here:

Is my copyright enforceable?

Think about it.

I looked into some of this years back when I put up some anti-Scientology web sites.

As long as you use select quotes, don't copy and paste the entire article, and do not SELL any of it for profit, it is NOT a violation.

The Church of Scientology legal lemmings send out Cease & Desist Notices every time a new anti-Scientology web site appears, but these are scare tactics only, because they KNOW that as long as the sites are intellectual and aimed at a critique of the referenced materials, that there is not a damned thing they can do about it. You have to put the appropriate disclaimers, and make it clear that you are NOT the "C of S", so that you can't be found at fault for "hurting their trade image", but otherwise, citing segments of copy-written work is common. My question has to do with obtaining such materials. Does the Church of Scientology have any legal ground to demand that all "inter-office" communications remain "secret" (hid from public view)? The policies, Flag Orders, Base Orders and OSA N/W Orders are all company directions on how to run the company. While these may be copyrighted, can they be denied access by the public, and is it any sort of crime to bring such information to the public?

For example, Hubbard's essay on Personal Integrity is copyrighted in some book, or whatever. But, academic criticism and study are allowed to use segments of ANY copy-written material when presented as analysis. Segments of that essay have been cited here on ESMB. Of course, that essay is on Scientology's own web site.

So, again, I ask, can and does the C of S try to say that it is illegal to copy even just segments of copyrighted materials, that are intended to be used in critical studies? THAT is actually what firedragon did (at least from the bits I saw). She didn't copy entire sections, or whole books, and ONLY copied small sections, AND the aim and purpose was to use this in what could be called "academic criticism".

Obviously, people can and do copy sections of copy-written works all of the time. There are examples of segments of Scientology and Hubbard's writings all over the Internet, and no law is being broken.

I forget the exact verbiage, but if a segment of a copy-written work is used as part of some study, criticism or analysis, there is NO violation. THAT is a fact.

Also, it seems that once anything gets out, and is spread all over the Internet, it becomes part of the "public domain". Isn't that what happened with the OT III materials? They began showing up everywhere, and there was no stopping it, original theft violation or not.

It is surely NOT illegal to cite segments from such copy-written publications like Flag Orders and other Sea Org directives, but is it illegal to get at them and bring them to public view if the owner wants them to remain "hidden" or secret"? One is not actually "stealing" when taking digital photos.

 

[R2-45]

What do you think?

It is. It's easier in some jurisdictions, harder in others. For instance, "In Australia and the United Kingdom it has been held that a single word is insufficient to comprise a copyright work. However, single words or a short string of words can sometimes be registered as a trademark instead." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Scope

I would argue that the above work consists of more than one word.

Many careers have been built around copyright law.

 

[Smurf]

Well, in one of her posts, perhaps the OP, she stats that she legally changed her name before infiltrating and used that name. But later information and posts do not support that, especially the letter Karen received name shown as Lia Kea aka Yuliya Keaton etc.

snip..

Here are some of her Lia Kia links: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lia-kea/54/a93/510

I presume she means UCF (University of Central Florida).

 

[Freeminds]

Me too....for the lulz...

Where are these lulz, of which you speak? Nothing but a failed entrapment by an increasingly enfeebled OSA, as far as I can perceive.

 

[Smurf]

How could you do this fast flow in your recent visit under the fake name, when you did M1 at Flag or elsewhere back in the 1990's under your real name?

I'm curious whether she was a mail order bride from Russia. She posted a resume claiming to have been in nursing school in Kazan, Tatarstan, in 1996.
http://2yuliyakeaton.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/hello-world/

4 years later (2000), she shows up on a list of mortgage foreclosures with her then (common law?) husband, Edwin L. Muniz.. "Mashkovtseva, Yuliya V. and Muniz, Edwin"
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ge-foreclosure-mortgage-corp-fleet-mortgage/2

She claims to have legally changed her name. There are no court records in Florida to confirm this. In fact, she has gone by multiple names. I could find no divorce or annulment records for Yuliya & Edwin, either.

Yet, in 2008, a marriage license was issued in Osceola County, FL (#2008148240) for J.E. Keaton, Jr. & Yuliya Vladimirovna Muniz.

Joe Keaton's Myspace.. https://myspace.com/harryteeth. His top 8 friends include Yuliar Keaton. https://myspace.com/208104325

Very wierd.

 

[Karen#1]

Yuliya must have shared these images of her in Sea Org Uniform with this German blog....


http://www.blog-gegen-scientology.wilfriedhandl.com/​

 

[Dulloldfart]

How could you do this fast flow in your recent visit under the fake name, when you did M1 at Flag or elsewhere back in the 1990's under your real name?

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Yes that was going to be my question too.

Fast Flow requires completion of Student Hat & Method One. She didn't have time for that.

Gee, something is not adding up here.

Usually, a sup is going to take a student at his word if he says he is "Fast Flow" and there is no glaring reason to think this is false. Simply because there is no easy way to check if the student is from another org or country and his pc folders are not handy. When I was suping at ITO there was policy/tech allowing a sup to insist a student star-rated and clay-demoed items on his checksheet even if he was Fast Flow, so it wasn't a huge deal.

I'm not going to write a long post on what I did as a sup, but I'm merely saying that if someone says they are Fast Flow and there is no obvious reason why they are not, then a sup would likely accept it at face value. You might ask where the person did the Student Hat and how they got their M1 and if the answers seem plausible after digging in a bit where needed, that's enough. Most sups want the person through the courses quickly as then they get the comps stat. I really wasn't that interested in the stats but I was weird.

Paul

 

[Dulloldfart]

dup

 

[Stat]

Usually, a sup is going to take a student at his word if he says he is "Fast Flow" and there is no glaring reason to think this is false. Simply because there is no easy way to check if the student is from another org or country and his pc folders are not handy. When I was suping at ITO there was policy/tech allowing a sup to insist a student star-rated and clay-demoed items on his checksheet even if he was Fast Flow, so it wasn't a huge deal.

I'm not going to write a long post on what I did as a sup, but I'm merely saying that if someone says they are Fast Flow and there is no obvious reason why they are not, then a sup would likely accept it at face value. You might ask where the person did the Student Hat and how they got their M1 and if the answers seem plausible after digging in a bit where needed, that's enough. Most sups want the person through the courses quickly as then they get the comps stat. I really wasn't that interested in the stats but I was weird.

Paul

As once Supe and a "Fast Flow" student, I agree with Paul.

"Most sups want the person through the courses quickly as then they get the comps stat.
I really wasn't that interested in the stats but I was weird."

Love ^^^

 

[AngeloV]

Yuliya must have shared these images of her in Sea Org Uniform with this German blog....


http://www.blog-gegen-scientology.wilfriedhandl.com/​

That web site also contains links to a lengthy interview Ms. Yuliya gave (in English) in which she describes her caper in the sea org. She quite clearly describes how she broke the law by stealing computer records from the cult.
Guess she doesn't care if he goes to jail or not.

[video=youtube;CTWWpXJFLUk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CTWWpXJFLUk[/video]

 

[thefiredragon]

Usually, a sup is going to take a student at his word if he says he is "Fast Flow" and there is no glaring reason to think this is false. Simply because there is no easy way to check if the student is from another org or country and his pc folders are not handy. When I was suping at ITO there was policy/tech allowing a sup to insist a student star-rated and clay-demoed items on his checksheet even if he was Fast Flow, so it wasn't a huge deal.

I'm not going to write a long post on what I did as a sup, but I'm merely saying that if someone says they are Fast Flow and there is no obvious reason why they are not, then a sup would likely accept it at face value. You might ask where the person did the Student Hat and how they got their M1 and if the answers seem plausible after digging in a bit where needed, that's enough. Most sups want the person through the courses quickly as then they get the comps stat. I really wasn't that interested in the stats but I was weird.

Paul

Ah, its easier than you think. When I did EPF, the examiner asked me if I was fast flow. I said no. Then about a week later I went to exam, and she asked me again, "you are fast flow student, right? " and I said yes. She never questioned it, and in staff college there were many supervisors, they can't remember all students, who done what. When I was doing my TIP, they did not even put basic pac member hat in my program.
You guys need to understand, Sea Org members are overworked, overstressed and sleepy. They make mistakes.
Also, when I was on EPF, the EPF I/C asked, "does anybody here who never have any dianetics auditing and would like to have at least one session before you graduate EPF, rase you hand"
Almost half of EPFers raised the hands . It proves they recruit very green scientologists these days

 

[thefiredragon]

Yuliya must have shared these images of her in Sea Org Uniform with this German blog....


http://www.blog-gegen-scientology.wilfriedhandl.com/​

That guy aprotched me on facebook, I dont even know him, he said he has my pics and videos and asked to use them in his blog. He said he used to volunteer for OSA, so he is not afraid of them.
So, I said, fine, go for it.
He did not get pics or videos from me , I dont know who sent them to him, and since he lives outside of US, I don't think OSA will sue him. If he posts some staff in his blog that he did not get from me, others can use some info in their blogs/articles.

The videos and pics he has, are not confidentional. Just something to give a public some mass of what is really going on in Sea Org.
I will play nice with OSA, because I don't think they want me to give autorization to others start posting confidentional data.
As long as they don't bother my friends and don't keep sending nasty letters to those they already sent, I will keep my moth shut and nothing will leak out.

I ve made a mess and trying to clean up now, at least a little.

 

[uncover]

That web site also contains links to a lengthy interview Ms. Yuliya gave (in English) in which she describes her caper in the sea org. She quite clearly describes how she broke the law by stealing computer records from the cult.
Guess she doesn't care if he goes to jail or not.

[video=youtube;CTWWpXJFLUk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CTWWpXJFLUk[/video]

Hmmm..... I think we already had that on page 25:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?31980-Please-read-and-share-but-do-not-reply-here/page25

But here is something new. A rough translation of the important parts of this article:

http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/2...leben-zerstort-am-beispiel-von-yuliya-keaton/

How Scientology destroys a human life: at the example of ex-Sea Org member Yuliya Keaton ...

<Introduction - not translated>

The tragedy of Yuliya Keaton who lost everything before her life had not even begun....

Yulia Keaton after she signed her billion
year contract with the Sea Org...​

The Russian-born Yuliya Keaton was already at the age of 15 years [sic] staff in various Scientology organizations in Russia. Her parents were not Scientologists. At the age of 17, she was recruited into the Sea Org, signed the infamous 1-billion-year contract and moved to FLAG in Florida.

Yuliya Keaton in the Sea Org...​

Between her eighteenth and twentieth year she "served" in this paramilitary unit of Scientology - before she suddenly was put in front of the door. In one of the numerous "security checks" (Sec Checks) had emerged something that prompted the supervisor of Yuliya to dismiss her as a Sea Org staff member ("off-route"). She was told that she was PTS Type B (criminal background) - but she was not told what was criminal on her. Who knows the relevant "estimates" of Scientology can assume that it was enough that she has not stopped the door for a "higher-ranking" or not greeted him properly.

Yulia Keaton...​

With her 20 years she was now in a foreign land and paid for the next 8 years the so-called Freeloader Bill, it included the fees for all "courses" and of course also the Sec Checks which Yuliya had to endure in the two years.

She found jobs, two husbands - both non-Scientologists - and gave four children's lives. Her first husband, with whom she has three children, after seperation paid no alimony but sent her the police
to the house and finally achieved it, that the children were in his care. Meanwhile, she had remarried and has another child. Then she divorced again but continued to live with her ex-husband and their child. Her first husband was meanwhile hiked to jail and the three children came under state control - in other words: in a children's home.

Yuliya was 35 years old and her life was in ruins before her. She sank into depression and eventually she had the idea to get to hidden cameras, etc., and infiltrate Scientology, to collect evidence of the abuse that takes place there. She straightened Internet accounts, sent the passwords to friends and wanted to publish documents in this way.

Members of the paramilitary Sea Org of Scientology....​

In the Tampa organization of Scientology she visited courses, "admitted" to recruit for the Sea Org, which did her the favor promptly. She wore a name other than with 18 and this way it didn´t struck anyone. She "survived" the various Sec Checks because she knew how to outsmart the "lie detector" (E-meter) and so "create" those needle reactions which were unsuspicious for Scientology - which indeed is not very hard.

Then suddenly she "served" in the PAC building (Los Angeles) Scientology - and began her work, which did not last very long, because she was observed by making sound recordings.

In the meantime Yuliya has made some videos to tell about it ...

<youtube-videos not posted here>

<reconciliation text not translated here>

<letter to Karen and answer not posted here>

Conclusion: Perhaps it was not the wisest idea to sneak into Scientology - but I can understand or comprehend it. Yuliya was taken her life in the truest sense of the word, when she learned about Scientology as 15-year-old and was pulled down into the vortex.

No guarantee for 100 % correct translation.

 

[AnonyMary]

That guy aprotched me on facebook, I dont even know him, he said he has my pics and videos and asked to use them in his blog. He said he used to volunteer for OSA, so he is not afraid of them.
So, I said, fine, go for it.
He did not get pics or videos from me , I dont know who sent them to him, and since he lives outside of US, I don't think OSA will sue him. If he posts some staff in his blog that he did not get from me, others can use some info in their blogs/articles.

The videos and pics he has, are not confidentional. Just something to give a public some mass of what is really going on in Sea Org.
I will play nice with OSA, because I don't think they want me to give autorization to others start posting confidentional data.
As long as they don't bother my friends and don't keep sending nasty letters to those they already sent, I will keep my moth shut and nothing will leak out.

I ve made a mess and trying to clean up now, at least a little.

Many of the photos he used in hi article are available to the public on your Facebook. And you have him as a Facebook friend so most likely he saw them and copied them from there.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.102619879786243.1393.100001146934014&type=3

 

[thefiredragon]

Many of the photos he used in hi article are available to the public on your Facebook. And you have him as a Facebook friend so most likely he saw them and copied them from there.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.102619879786243.1393.100001146934014&type=3

Yes. I did. I signed a paper in sea org that I will not post any org data on the internet, but I never signed a paper saying that I will not send the org data to somebody or that somebody will get it from another somebody and post it.
As I said before, the pics and videos are out. I dont even want to know who have them and I can't stop others from posting them. I don't think reporters must name the surce of the data, especially if they live out of the country.
If OSA want me to try to go out and gather every leave fallen from a tree, in the fall, while it's storming , it's imposible. I think, some information will leak out. They can't really tell people to give them back electronic copies, because I'm sure some of pics were copied and recopied.
Thats all I know.
I will stay away from ESMB for a while.

 

[AnonyMary]

Yes. I did. I signed a paper in sea org that I will not post any org data on the internet, but I never signed a paper saying that I will not send the org data to somebody or that somebody will get it from another somebody and post it.
As I said before, the pics and videos are out. I dont even want to know who have them and I can't stop others from posting them. I don't think reporters must name the surce of the data, especially if they live out of the country.
If OSA want me to try to go out and gather every leave fallen from a tree, in the fall, while it's storming , it's imposible. I think, some information will leak out. They can't really tell people to give them back electronic copies, because I'm sure some of pics were copied and recopied.
Thats all I know.
I will stay away from ESMB for a while.

You seem to be confusing matters. Are talking above about your previously uploaded Facebook photos and videos? Or photos and videos you took while undercover at ASHO? I say this because Wilfred Handl did not post any photos that were not already up on your Facebook except perhaps for the last photo of you and your mother. That may have since been removed by you, or you gave it to him to add to the article.

Yuliya, there are no photos or videos on the internet from your undercover escapade except those you posted links to earlier in this thread. I believe you are imagining there are some out there but none have surfaced and most likely none will. No one would be foolish enough to have downloaded them in the first place, much less put them on the internet.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

How could you do this fast flow in your recent visit under the fake name, when you did M1 at Flag or elsewhere back in the 1990's under your real name?

Yes that was going to be my question too.

Fast Flow requires completion of Student Hat & Method One. She didn't have time for that.

Gee, something is not adding up here.

She could have always said she did her Stupid ('cuse me -- I meant Student) Hat and M1 at a lower org, as a public, before she joined the Sea Org.

Helena

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Would making a copy of the "Sea Org Hygiene Course" be "stealing intellectual property"?

I asked a reg if I could buy a copy of this. (Figured I might learn something -- particularly if it were something everybody else considers "obvious".) I was told no.

Helena

 

[Gadfly]

I asked a reg if I could buy a copy of this. (Figured I might learn something -- particularly if it were something everybody else considers "obvious".) I was told no.

Helena

Well, if you want access to the very highest and purest "admin tech" in all of the universe, you will have to join the Sea Org.

Then you can finally discover the correct way to take a shower, brush your teeth and shampoo your hair.

You will also learn the "proper tech" on driving a car and washing windows (and maybe even on wiping your ass).

 

[Helena Handbasket]

For a thread titled Please, read and share,but do not reply here it's already got 378 replies.

Helena