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[thefiredragon]

They would first have to get a court order to obtain all the records of ESMB. Or, get a copy of firedragon PMing me the information (which would mean that she was working for or with them). That sounds an awful lot like "entrapment".

I only PMed you a few worthless pics that are not even confidentional , plus I always delete all incomming and outgoing messages. You wanted to see a few things and I just gave you some mass. You did not have to post on esmb that I PMed you.lol

 

[thefiredragon]

You PMed me some links to a photobucket account. There were some nice images of policies on "external influences", "no TVs", "no fraternizing" and that sort of thing. Just post them here. They were not confidential that I could see. No "trade secrets" there!

I would suspect that many people have not seen these Sea Org orders about such things.

I will give you simple instructions.

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@ Gadfly.
You said it yourself that a few pics you got from me were not trade secrets. What is a big deal?
I'm may be a little naive but not so dumb to post top secret info in ESMB or abywhere else.
I don't even have any top secret info

 

[Dulloldfart]

However, that is not what Wilfred Handl states on his blog article

It doesn't say much differently. It says, "She sent the images, movies and sounds to a total of 100 addressees . . .." It's a translation from the German, and it says addressees and not addresses. I don't really see that that conflicts with 100 people having the password to one account.

I would think that it is difficult to cc 100 email addresses from an account at one time unless it has been set up as a mailing list, as it would probably trigger an anti-spam measure. Besides, we're talking about gigabytes of movies. Emails are limited to 25 MB even with Gmail.

Paul

 

[thefiredragon]

It doesn't say much differently. It says, "She sent the images, movies and sounds to a total of 100 addressees . . .." It's a translation from the German, and it says addressees and not addresses. I don't really see that that conflicts with 100 people having the password to one account.

I would think that it is difficult to cc 100 email addresses from an account at one time unless it has been set up as a mailing list, as it would probably trigger an anti-spam measure. Besides, we're talking about gigabytes of movies. Emails are limited to 25 MB even with Gmail.

Paul

Before I went to sea org, I set up netload.in account and payed $100 for it, so I would have unlimited storrage. Over 100 people had a password to it and had my OK to share the videos privately but not to post them anywhere untill I'm saftly out. I did not "sent" them to anybody.I would just sent them "to myself"
Netload.in was for videos, hotmail was for pics. Netload and hotmail had the same password

Also, I deleted all messages from ESMB before OSA got them
Inbox contains 0 messages. You have 0 messages stored, of a total 1,000 allowed.
Sent Items contains 0 messages. You have 0 messages stored, of a total 1,000 allowed
And also, while I was in hotel, I got to some place that I don't know what it was ,called from there one person and asked to delete all facebook messages.
After that I changed password 3 times and then for 3 days could not get on facebook, because I was getting messages that somebody was trying to logg in in my account from different states, so my account was blocked

 

[thefiredragon]

Yuliya.. I think this is a very good idea. You need to put aside all the nonsense with Scientology/OSA, take down the incriminating YouTube videos (or designate them as "private") & continue to look for employment. You do not want to lose ANY custody or contact with your beautiful children.

You do not want potential employers doing a background check on you & coming across videos where you admit that your entered an organization & committed theft. NO employer will hire you if they watch these videos. QUOTE]
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Yes, I will do my best to get the kids back and I understand that there is a lot of amends to do to my kids. And I will do my best to make up the damage.

As for the videos, I will not take them down, I just made another one, saying a few good things about Sea Org (because I was not physically abused and not everything was so bad like I expected)

I probably soon will put a password to my youtube videos, so only people with a password will be able to see them, and of cause it not going be the same password as I had in netload.in LOL.

I just CAN"T let OSA to blackmail me or threat me with police , so thats why I made those videos . And this one is about "good things in sea org" , since I desided to videotape not only bad but good things too


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbHSX2sz_8o&sns=fb

 

[Sidney18511]

TFD...Don't fool yourself into thinking that if you throw the COS some LOVE that they are going to be happy with you. I'm sure that you are starting to really piss them off and regardless of the fact that you have no money that they could get from you in a law suit.....they have lots of money and would have no second thoughts of flexing their legal muscles to show you who's boss and to send out a message LOUD AND CLEAR to anyone else thinking of doing what you did.

 

[R2-45]

The only way I see this ending is with threadlock and a ban

Just saying.

 

[thefiredragon]

TFD...Don't fool yourself into thinking that if you throw the COS some LOVE that they are going to be happy with you. I'm sure that you are starting to really piss them off and regardless of the fact that you have no money that they could get from you in a law suit.....they have lots of money and would have no second thoughts of flexing their legal muscles to show you who's boss and to send out a message LOUD AND CLEAR to anyone else thinking of doing what you did.

some love? what are you talking about?

I actually was so mad at them by the end of 4th day, of all their threats to call police, I even told them, you know what? Go ahead and arrest me, is that what are you trying to do?
Like in old days they used to hang a few people to show to others what will happen if they will violate the law. I told them, go ahead and hang me
I was so afraid at first of being arrested, but then I was almost begging them to arrest me.At one point I even thought I should call police on myself because I don't want to live the rest of my life with threats.

The reason I posted my videos ,admiting what I did is so nobody would blackmail me.
I told everything, not only bad but even good things. They can't sue me for speaking the truth

 

[In present time]

You PMed me some links to a photobucket account. There were some nice images of policies on "external influences", "no TVs", "no fraternizing" and that sort of thing. Just post them here. They were not confidential that I could see. No "trade secrets" there!

I would suspect that many people have not seen these Sea Org orders about such things.

I will give you simple instructions.

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@ Gadfly.
You said it yourself that a few pics you got from me were not trade secrets. What is a big deal?
I'm may be a little naive but not so dumb to post top secret info in ESMB or abywhere else.
I don't even have any top secret info

Maybe I am confused, but why not post them in public then? I can understand why Gadfly might be suspicious. Surely you are not trying to drag innocent people into your James Bond style life?

If you are a true whistleblower, trying to expose real abuse, then I admire you greatly. But why the cloak and dagger? That is not how real whistleblowers do it.

 

[uncover]

For those who didn´t read my long post, here is some "mass" about what I was talking:

[video=youtube;gXY9TuuwyL8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXY9TuuwyL8[/video]

 

[thefiredragon]

Maybe I am confused, but why not post them in public then? I can understand why Gadfly might be suspicious. Surely you are not trying to drag innocent people into your James Bond style life?

If you are a true whistleblower, trying to expose real abuse, then I admire you greatly. But why the cloak and dagger? That is not how real whistleblowers do it.

I would love to post some pics here .
But first, I don't have them, because OSA searched me to make sure I don't leave with any org data, even looked in my bra.
second, if in the future I will get some pics , I cant post them because I signed a paper saying from this day, I will not post them ( I never signed anything saying others won't)
and also, I think, if people post them somewhere outside of US, then Americans can copy them , and videos too.

I did not dragged any innocent people to my style. I only gave a password to people who asked, and I told them to give a password only to those who really want it, and make sure they know them.
At this point ,as I said before, I dont even know how many people had a password. All I know that videos were downloaded over 12 times each.
Thats all I know

 

[Mest Lover]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNjq6A--zpY

Interesting how the peg leg switches limbs...
Oh also, Ahab seems to have both legs and feet attached in some frames.

…to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.
—Moby-Dick, Chapter 135. "The Chase.—Third Day"

 

[R2-45]

"I don't care what you do with me, Br'er Fox," says he, "just so
long as you don't throw me in that brier patch. Roast me, Br'er
Fox," says he, "but don't throw me in that brier patch."

"Well, I ain't got no twine," says Br'er Fox, "so now I expeck
I'll hafta drown you."

"Drown me just as deep as you please, Br'er Fox," says Br'er Rabbit,
"but just don't throw me in that brier-patch."

"Well, there ain't no water close," says Br'er Fox, "so now I
expeck I'll hafta skin you."

"Skin me, Br'er Fox," says Br'er Rabbit. "Snatch out my
eyeballs, tear out my ears by the roots, and cut off my legs, but
please, Br'er Fox, don't throw me in that brier patch."

'Course Br'er Fox wanted to hurt Br'er Rabbit just as bad as he can,
so he catch him up by the hind legs and throw him right in the
middle of the brier patch.

 

[Mest Lover]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm16gzbCgzo

Don't let the bloodhounds find you!

 

[In present time]

It's just a scratch!

 

[Freeminds]

Why are Hubbard apologists always so keen to communicate via PMs? I suppose it's partly cult-think: they need to be privy to 'exclusive' knowledge. Secrets are comforting - and even provide a kind of validation, to the Scientology victim. Also, they often say things that don't withstand the scrutiny of an open forum.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Why are Hubbard apologists always so keen to communicate via PMs? I suppose it's partly cult-think: they need to be privy to 'exclusive' knowledge. Secrets are comforting - and even provide a kind of validation, to the Scientology victim. Also, they often say things that don't withstand the scrutiny of an open forum.

In my case, it's most often because I'm trying to keep my real life identity secret on here. I have no wish to go back on any of the CofS's mailing lists, apart from anything else.

 

[AnonyMary]

Why are Hubbard apologists always so keen to communicate via PMs? I suppose it's partly cult-think: they need to be privy to 'exclusive' knowledge. Secrets are comforting - and even provide a kind of validation, to the Scientology victim. Also, they often say things that don't withstand the scrutiny of an open forum.

Sounds too general a statement but if true, I think they may feel safer doing that. At least on ESMB. I don't blame them.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Why are Hubbard apologists always so keen to communicate via PMs? I suppose it's partly cult-think: they need to be privy to 'exclusive' knowledge. Secrets are comforting - and even provide a kind of validation, to the Scientology victim. Also, they often say things that don't withstand the scrutiny of an open forum.

I'm perfectly happy for some communications to be private. There have been public custard pie fights that should have been private. Technical stuff about using teck I'm happy to keep off the air too. I quite like not knowing who people are too, it's just a little extra intrigue.

 

[TG1]

Dear Firedragon,

Please STFU.

TG1