Plymouth Org buys Hotel


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And this is what the 12,000? Plymouth Scientologists bought? 12,000? Where are they hiding? There ain't 12,00 in the whole of the UK.


Iconic Royal Fleet Hotel to be turned into Scientology church


DEVONPORT'S iconic Royal Fleet Hotel has been sold to the Church of Scientology.

The Herald has learned agents representing the hotel's owner — Midlands-based businessman Kailash Suri — completed the sale of the historic building on Friday. Last month, Mr Suri announced the hotel was set to close, 18 months after he bought it promising a multi-million-pound makeover.

He claimed the Morice Square building was losing money "drastically".

But yesterday, Mr Suri, the Church of Scientology and property consultants King Sturge confirmed the building has been sold for a figure of about £1million.

Mr Suri reportedly bought the property for just under £1.5million in December 2008.

Marianne Rowell, spokesman for the Church of Scientology, said: "The contracts have been exchanged and we have completed the purchase of the building.

"It is still functioning as a hotel at the moment. Functions are continuing until June 22 when we take it on.

"We will then put in a planning application and fundraise to refurbish the building."

Scientologists have been searching for properties in Plymouth for the past three years with the view to opening a "bold" and "prominent" new church.

The current Church of Scientology in Ebrington Street is deemed as being "too small" for the needs of its followers. It has about 3,000 to 5,000 sq ft of floor space. The new church will have about 40,000 sq ft.

"Scientology, especially in the South West, is growing and that is why we need such a large premises," said Miss Rowell.

"There are about 12,000 scientologists in the region."

A planning application is likely to be submitted within the coming months to allow the refurbishment to take place to convert it into a church.

Miss Rowell said the church was keen to "enhance" the 110-year-old building, bringing it back to its original splendour.

Miss Rowell also hinted that a celebrity could officially open the building later this year. Another spokesman, Lili Mathieson, said the church was keen to change people's perceptions of the following.

As well as specific scientology events, the building — which will host about 150 volunteers and paid staff — will continue to welcome community events and functions.

"Most people freak out about us, but they don't actually know anything about us," said Miss Mathieson.

"We have had so many conversations about this issue.

"We would invite people to come in and look at what we do.

"We want to assist in the community and play a productive part of that community."

Miss Mathieson added that outreach workers from the church would also be looking to work within the Devonport community helping the local police.

As part of the plans, the Ebrington Street site will be renovated and converted into an information centre for the church.

Mr Suri, who also owns Plymouth's Reel Cinema, told The Herald: "The Church of Scientology has bought the building.

"Someone bought it on their behalf, completing the deal last Friday."

Mr Suri said he was sad to have sold the building but admitted the market was against him.

"It is a great shame, but the market was against us," he said.

Ifan Rhys-Jones, a business space agency surveyor at Plymouth's King Sturge, said: "It has been a long search and we have looked at a lot of properties.

"It has been quite hard to find a big enough building in Plymouth.

"My remit was to find something of around 50,000 sq ft which would be suitable for educational use and public assembly.

"We have worked hard to find them a suitable site."

Among the buildings which the scientologists looked at buying are Mills Bakery at the Royal William Yard in Stonehouse; the Royal Eye Infirmary in Mutley; the former University of Plymouth School of Architecture building opposite Bar Ha Ha in the city centre; and the former St Dunstan's Abbey School in Stonehouse.

An offer was made for the former St Dunstan's Abbey School site but it was not accepted.


SCIENTOLOGY was founded in 1954 by science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard.

It defines itself as ‘the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life’.

Scientology teaches that people are immortal spiritual beings who have forgotten their true nature.

In 2005, the Church of Scientology stated its worldwide membership to be eight million.

Members say there are 12,000 scientologists in the South West of England.

Scientology has been the subject of much criticism in the UK over the past few years.

Protesters have campaigned against the church’s presence in Plymouth on numerous occasions.

One of the many rumours surrounding Scientology is that it is linked to extraterrestrial civilisations with scientologists believing in alien interventions in Earthly events.

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Cat's Squirrel

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We discussed this earlier;

However the discussion was somewhat inconclusive and I was left with his question. How much business sense do you think either Miscavige, or the people around him, have shown here? Are they cynically calculating that the org will eventually fail and the building can then be sold off and the proceeds added to the CofS's coffers?

I'd be interested in your thoughts about this.
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That will be a floor for each staff member!

It was like that when ITO first moved into the HGB in 1989. There were a dozen staff and four whole floors. Evening white-glove with several large courserooms each was a nightmare. It didn't last long before we got more staff, but it was funny at the start.



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We discussed this earlier;

However the discussion was somewhat inconclusive and I was left with his question. How much business sense do you think either Miscavige, or the people around him, have shown here? Are they cynically calculating that the org will eventually fail and the building can then be sold off and the proceeds added to the CofS's coffers?

I'd be interested in your thoughts about this.

Quite possibly the scenario.

La La Lou Lou

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They can't go wrong, can they? Well unless the overblown prices of properties fall even further. When all the public leave at least they can sell the buildings. The church put almost nothing in to the cost of these buildings so they can't loose even if the price of properties fall to the lowest possible level!

I seem to remember, way back, in the seventies rumours of Scientology buying buildings. I think it was to make them appear rich. Doubt if they actually bought the buildings just used it to make them sound like they were bigger and richer than reality. Also it made authorities think Ron was moving back to the UK.


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1,781 people identified themselves as victims of the Cult of Scientology at the last census. That's for the UK as a whole. Most of those victims will be centred around East Grinstead... far from Plymouth.

Obtaining buildings is just a mechanism for rattling the donation tin under the noses of the 120 or so Scientologists that live within 100 miles of the new idle org. It's not meant to ever be completed... just to be a focus for cash flow and a means of concealing income via shell companies. It's basically the Super Power building scam, repeated in miniature, in each city where there are enough Scientology victims.


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Scientologists 'still in design phase' for Plymouth hotel

Plymouth Herald: Scientologists 'still in design phase' for Plymouth hotel

SCIENTOLOGISTS are still in the 'design phase' of transforming Devonport's iconic Royal Fleet Hotel – more than four years after buying it.

The Church of Scientology bought the historic building for about £1million in June 2010 and revealed ambitious plans to spend £2.5million on renovating it.

But four years on scientologists in Plymouth say there is still "no set date" for either a planning application for the site, or an official opening date.

"We are still in the design phase of the project," said Lisa Coffey, community affairs director for the Church of Scientology Plymouth.


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Mike Rinder now has the story.


The “ideal” org in Plymouth is rocking and rolling according to the latest quotes from “church spokespuppet” in The Herald as you can see below.

This spokespuppet is caught trying to explain the unexplainable. Which is why you rarely see ANY quotes from any official church spokespuppets in any media anywhere.

She knows she has to tell “acceptable truths” — she cannot say they “haven’t raised the money” and are not allowed to have their designs done until they have paid in advance, so she has to say the incredible, that after 4 years it’s a “long process” as we “want to get the scheme just right.”

And then she has to give the highest realistic invented figures she can to make things look really flourishing and prospering in this Golden Age of Everything, so daringly says they have “up to 70 people” attending events and Sunday Services “regularly attract between 30 and 40 people” and she is lying awake at night hoping that the reporter doesn’t show up on Sunday to see for himself.

3.5 million pounds for “up to 70 people” is really out there.

70 people to raise 2.5 million is 35,000 pounds per imaginary person. The real figure is probably more like 25 and it means 100,000 per person.

Chance of this happening is zero.

Cat's Squirrel

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Where are they going to get 150 staff from (as mentioned in the article) to run the site? That woman really is off with the fairies if she believes that's going to happen.


Bitter defrocked apostate
I wonder how long it will be before there's another of those mysterious fires that seem to plague stalled Scientolofy projects. If it weren't for the fact that they're the "most ethical group on the planet" I'd swear it was some kind of insurance fraud to recover a little bit of liquid cash when the scam goes south.

Not a whole lot of people doing business with the cult's Ebrington Street branch now. Not enough for a mission, never mind an Idle Org.