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goldendawn

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goldendawn,

Thanks for the info but I want a managed switch.

Darn! :omg: Excuse me programmer guy.... yer right I overlooked something there :unsure: this may be more what you are looking for it's a switch that recently came out by Netgear and selling like hotcakes in your neck of the forest. Seein's its crammed full of goodies and cause it's managed we're talkin a whole different price range but still comparatively cost effective compared to say cisco. :thumbsup: Found one online store with some in stock as many outlets are sold out right now.

I have seen some other netgear stuff at work but not a whole lot, no worries that I'm aware of. Hope this helps...

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Ralph Hilton

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I think that 300Hz is way more than necessary (try, say, 50 or 60Hz). The human eye-brain probably can't see the difference above 25 to 30Hz.

IOW, there are only so many eye retina "frames" per second that a human can notice.

I use 300Hz as a sampling rate which makes noise filtering much easier than with a lower rate. Yes, the display rate can be lower. Screen refresh is usually 75Hz+ on a PC so there isn't much point in going a lot higher. Going below that I notice the flicker. With a CRT monitor I used 100Hz screen refresh as less was irritating but with the flat screens 75 seems fine.
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
Ralph said:
I use 300Hz as a sampling rate which makes noise filtering much easier than with a lower rate.

So you are using digital noise filtering?

1. Are you using FFT and cutting the upper frequencies? (much computing power required for this for real-time.)

2. OR... are you just chopping off some of the lower bits (noise) of the A-to-D output? (300 Hz not required for this and not much computing power required for this.)

Just curious.

If you already have a link to info describing your noise filtering technique that would be easier for you to answer with that.
 
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nw2394

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So you are using digital noise filtering?

1. Are you using FFT and cutting the upper frequencies? (much computing power required for this for real-time.)

2. OR... are you just chopping off some of the lower bits (noise) of the A-to-D output? (300 Hz not required for this and not much computing power required for this.)

Just curious.

If you already have a link to info describing your noise filtering technique that would be easier for you to answer with that.

I haven't spoken with Ralph about this for quite a while, however, yes the C-Meter software does use low pass FFT filters. When the C-Meter was in devleopment it was not possible to adequately represent the input resistance (which goes from near zero to near infinity) with enough bits to see small reads over the whole range and also simply chop off low order bits.

Also, as I guess you know, the ADC process is inherently noisy. And the first chips produced quite a bit of it. Later ones are much better judging by the software settings I have to use with the two digital meters I've had from Ralph. The latter one also has an analogue, regular needle movement (driven off the digital half of the meter), which smooths pretty well all the noise just by virtue of needle inertia.

I am not convinced that FFT is necessary. I've had quite good results in simulations using simple, multiple, low factor exponential moving averages. Ralph smiles his inscrutable smile when I say this.

Nick
 

programmer_guy

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Yes... a moving window of averaging (in the time domain) would smooth it out.

I think that using an FFT (for frequency domain filtering) and then having to convert the filtered results back to time domain is way overkill for this.
 

programmer_guy

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nw2394 said:
yes the C-Meter software does use low pass FFT filters.

Then, for a real-time display, this FFT-filter-inverseFFT should be computed on a peripheral processor and NOT on your PC. Otherwise, I don't see how one could get decent hard real-time display (i.e. it couldn't keep up).

I guess that I would have to see a data flow diagram to understand this better.
 

Lovesnightsky

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:omg: I understand what's being said in this thread :omg:

and got totally excited about the Netgear 24-PORT GIGABIT L2 MANAGED SWITCH WITH STATIC ROUTING!

I better go an get a manicure and a pushup bra... I'm having an identity crisis :nervous:
 

programmer_guy

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Lovesnightsky said:
and got totally excited about the Netgear 24-PORT GIGABIT L2 MANAGED SWITCH WITH STATIC ROUTING!

For me, I will not buy it yet until I have read a few reviews that sound like they are coming from IT professionals.

I have some time until I make my final decision on this particular item because I'm still getting some remaining parts for my rack cabinet. AFTER I have completely constructed my 20U cabinet THEN I will make my decision on this.


For servers, I am leaning toward Iron Systems shallow depth 1U servers:
http://www.ironsystems.com/items.asp?Cc=ACLASS
 

Tanstaafl

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:omg: I understand what's being said in this thread :omg:

and got totally excited about the Netgear 24-PORT GIGABIT L2 MANAGED SWITCH WITH STATIC ROUTING!

I better go an get a manicure and a pushup bra... I'm having an identity crisis :nervous:

Jesus -you're gonna have the geeks drooling all over you! :yes:
 

goldendawn

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For me, I will not buy it yet until I have read a few reviews that sound like they are coming from IT professionals.

I have some time until I make my final decision on this particular item because I'm still getting some remaining parts for my rack cabinet. AFTER I have completely constructed my 20U cabinet THEN I will make my decision on this.


For servers, I am leaning toward Iron Systems shallow depth 1U servers:
http://www.ironsystems.com/items.asp?Cc=ACLASS

Was it something I said? I didn't mean "take my word for it", check the review people http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/ or http://www.tomshardware.co.uk nowhere will you find scathing remarks about netgear, well nothing real serious anyway, they together with d-link and linksys are the main alternatives to the sisco option. However hardly any noteworthy reviews have come out on that items as its just been released I think.

Tomhardware and others know their stuff, I just do this for a living .. cause somebody has to around these parts, but not reviews specifically, plus the paycheck is allright otherwise I wouldn't be doing it :eyeroll:

The rule of thumb is basically this, wanna go high end? go cisco and bring a thick wad of cash, or else it's take a chance with the alternatives, but I'll be off now and mind my own business :unsure:

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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
goldendawn,

I appreciate your input. I do. I'll check out the Netgear switches and the links you provided.
I'm just being careful and have plenty of time to lookup info before I make my decision.


For example, read the reviews of the Linksys SD2008 at this link (a lot of noise reported):
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-SD2008-Gigabit-Switch-8-port/dp/B0000C20XI

And another one about noise:
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-1000GBIT-Switch-Lifetime-Warranty/dp/B0000D941C

Since this will be in my living room, loud fan noise is a deal killer.
 

everfree

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Was it something I said? I didn't mean "take my word for it", check the review people http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/ or http://www.tomshardware.co.uk nowhere will you find scathing remarks about netgear, well nothing real serious anyway, they together with d-link and linksys are the main alternatives to the sisco option. However hardly any noteworthy reviews have come out on that items as its just been released I think.

Just for the record, Linksys is the consumer line for Cisco.
 

programmer_guy

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Ralph said:
I use 300Hz as a sampling rate which makes noise filtering much easier than with a lower rate.

If you are using FFT for noise filtering then this sampling rate makes sense - especially for anti-aliasing.
But this is compute intensive. Are you using a 1K (or power of 2 above this) FFT?
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
Ralph,

I didn't try to find this. It was just on a link from some of the software engineering email I get.

For mobile application development:

WinDev Professional Development Environment
http://www.windev.com/windevmobile/WM-Express.htm

There is a free version to download. I haven't tried it so I don't know how limited this free version is.
Many free versions of software are crippleware but it might be useful for your purposes.

Have fun.
 
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