Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Israel

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Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Israel

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Published on Jun 8, 2013

Prof. James R. Lewis at Dror Center, Haifa, Israel. 23 May 2013

Prof. Lewis is an internationally renowned researcher of new religious movements, currently teaching at Tromsoe University, Norway.
Prof. Lewis has followed Scientology closely for the last 30 years. Lewis was a friend of ex-President of the Church of Scientology, Mr. Heber Jentzsch.
For many years Lewis was considered an ally by Church management. He helped the Church in its efforts to gain religious recognition.
Lewis is currently researching the Scientology independent movement, which Lewis also refers to as the Freezone.
Lewis was in Israel to participate in a conference at Tel-Aviv University. He spent 2 days in Haifa at Dror Center.


The Dror Center is the Independent Scientology organization in Israel. See also here.

HT - WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/community/...is-on-heber-jentzsch-and-the-freezone.111500/

Cross-posted to Mike's blog: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/dani-lemberger-speaks/#comment-6271

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AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
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So now he is going to be an indie shill? I have posted on this professional liar elsewhere and he is well know to members of this board.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?29795-James-R-Lewis-book-Cults-Helping-Scinetology-rewrite-history

Professional liar? I thought you had considered other information provided ....

Just to give some perspective here, there are quite a few other threads about Lewis. There have been other books and papers since ( Cults was written in 2005) and there have been some shifts in his viewpoint. It's been the opinion of more than a few people that in the earlier years, he was buying the propaganda given him by the church but in recent years, he's come to see more along the lines of the facts than before but has a ways to go. He has noted some of the bad things the cult has done. He's since spoken to former execs, and has written other things which may usurp his previous claims in the Cults book. Here are some links

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...wed-shows-what-s-on-the-mind-of-a-NRM-scholar

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...new-paper.-2012-Scientology-Up-Stat-Down-Stat

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?15449-Scientology-Exit-Survey

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21708-An-Open-Letter-from-James-R.-Lewis

Few answered his survey.. out of mistrust and fear, not unlike yours. Fear he might share the information with the cult... and that was too bad because he had come to see, with the help of Chuck Beatty and others, that there was valid information from exes that he'd not been privy to, and he wanted to be gather the information in a formal way so as to include it in his future evaluation of the church. But since so few answered the survey, it was shelved.

But now he's studying the independent side of the issues. Glad to hear this. A professional study will help explain the history and evolution of this cult.
 

Boson Wog Stark

Patron Meritorious
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

That was pretty interesting and I liked what Lewis said a lot more than I thought I would. I've never heard him speak although have read some of his writing on Scientology.

HOWEVER, I'm struck by the absurdity of his viewpoint shift occurring because Heber, whom he considered a friend, being put in the Hole. As an academic, he should have been considering the experiences of everyone involved (ex-members and current members) more objectively and not be assuming a spokesliar for the organization even represents the experiences and thinking of current Scientologists.

Lewis seems to have changed focus, because of what will benefit his career and exposure the most. He went along with Scientology at a time that benefited him the most, and now that he's out of favor with the "Church," he's shifting to the indies. I don't blame academics or writers for taking advantage of the popularity of Scientology criticism and the new atmosphere of not having to watch your dogs so some cult thug doesn't poison them, but Lewis was just too much of a shill before.

Let's see, what else, the part about how Scientology would gain members if they loosened up on the whole SP thing and allowed people back in, even after they were critical. I assume he means without steps A through E and coughing up a few extra hundred thousand and being security checked regularly. Nah, that wouldn't make that much of a difference.

The Internet is going to put the damper on this scam, and Lewis mentioned that. Even the idea of indies booming their numbers by attracting friends and family is pretty comical. Friends and family can read on the Web about looney indie clams, too.

I'd suggest that if the indies want to increase their numbers, and aren't happy with just the mind fk'd falling off the cult tree, they should open a direct comm line with Hubbard's spaceship. Hey, it worked for Capt. Bill.

It seems a few people at the Dror Center have not read either Barefaced Messiah or Going Clear, and really need to.
 
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Terril park

Sponsor
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

Professional liar? I thought you had considered other information provided ....

Few answered his survey.. out of mistrust and fear, not unlike yours. Fear he might share the information with the cult... and that was too bad because he had come to see, with the help of Chuck Beatty and others, that there was valid information from exes that he'd not been privy to, and he wanted to be gather the information in a formal way so as to include it in his future evaluation of the church. But since so few answered the survey, it was shelved.

But now he's studying the independent side of the issues. Glad to hear this. A professional study will help explain the history and evolution of this cult.

I've spoken to Mr Lewis, and he's a very pleasant fellow. He wants to,and obviously is
researching the Independent/FZ, and probably exes. This elevates him to CO$
enemy status.

Deliciously they can't call him a "bitter defrocked apostate". They might try "bitter
academic hack". Dosn't really fit a professor with tenure and an extremely impressive CV.
 

Veda

Sponsor
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

-snip-


Dosn't really fit a professor with tenure and an extremely impressive CV.

His working as a for-hire "religious scholar" in defense of the Aum Shinrikyo poison gas cult, and for the Children of God child sex abuse cult, and his attacks on Steve Kent, were certainly impressive. His misrepresenting himself as having a Ph.D., when he has no such accreditation, is also impressive.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

His working as a for-hire "religious scholar" in defense of the Aum Shinrikyo poison gas cult, and for the Children of God child sex abuse cult, and his attacks on Steve Kent, were certainly impressive. His misrepresenting himself as having a Ph.D., when he has no such accreditation, is also impressive.

No PhD?

"Lewis received his Ph.D. in Religious Studies from the University of Wales, Lampeter, in the United Kingdom"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Lewis_(scholar)
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

His working as a for-hire "religious scholar" in defense of the Aum Shinrikyo poison gas cult, and for the Children of God child sex abuse cult, and his attacks on Steve Kent, were certainly impressive. His misrepresenting himself as having a Ph.D., when he has no such accreditation, is also impressive.

DOX please...
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

Lewis seems to have changed focus, because of what will benefit his career and exposure the most. He went along with Scientology at a time that benefited him the most, and now that he's out of favor with the "Church," he's shifting to the indies. I don't blame academics or writers for taking advantage of the popularity of Scientology criticism and the new atmosphere of not having to watch your dogs so some cult thug doesn't poison them, but Lewis was just too much of a shill before.

QFT!

TG1
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

DOX please...

Regarding Lewis's having been a shill for the Aum Shrinkyo cult that killed a dozen people and injured a thousand, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

The rumors about his Ph.D. could stem from the fact that the stated / implied date of his awarded Ph.D. varies, including these two conflicting Ph.D. award times:

1. His fluffed-up Wikipedia write-up (probably by himself and mildly edited by others) suggests he got his Ph.D. in the early 1990s or possibly before that: "Lewis received his Ph.D. in Religious Studies from the University of Wales, Lampeter, in the United Kingdom, and pursued a career as a professional reference book writer in the 1990s." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Lewis_(scholar)

vs.

2. Other online citations that say he got his Ph.D. in 2003: "... James R. Lewis, Ph.D. (2003) in Religious Studies, University of Wales Lampeter,...." at http://books.google.com/books/about/Handbook_of_Contemporary_Paganism.html?id=rwzttsI9-NwC

Perhaps he claimed to have had a Ph.D. in his earlier career when he was holding himself out as a consultant with Gordon Melton? I'd expect his self-authored Wikipedia article to include the date he earned his Ph.D. But it doesn't.

Inquiring minds would like to more about this.

TG1
 

Anonycat

Crusader
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

Regarding Lewis's having been a shill for the Aum Shrinkyo cult that killed a dozen people and injured a thousand, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

The rumors about his Ph.D. could stem from the fact that the stated / implied date of his awarded Ph.D. varies, including these two conflicting Ph.D. award times:

1. His fluffed-up Wikipedia write-up (probably by himself and mildly edited by others) suggests he got his Ph.D. in the early 1990s or possibly before that: "Lewis received his Ph.D. in Religious Studies from the University of Wales, Lampeter, in the United Kingdom, and pursued a career as a professional reference book writer in the 1990s." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Lewis_(scholar)

vs.

2. Other online citations that say he got his Ph.D. in 2003: "... James R. Lewis, Ph.D. (2003) in Religious Studies, University of Wales Lampeter,...." at http://books.google.com/books/about/Handbook_of_Contemporary_Paganism.html?id=rwzttsI9-NwC

Perhaps he claimed to have had a Ph.D. in his earlier career when he was holding himself out as a consultant with Gordon Melton? I'd expect his self-authored Wikipedia article to include the date he earned his Ph.D. But it doesn't.

Inquiring minds would like to more about this.

TG1

Here he calls himself an "Honorary Senior Research Fellow at the University of Wales Lampeter", not a PhD.

See more at: http://www.observatoire-religion.com/2010/07/james-r-lewis/#sthash.jq6eEodG.dpuf
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is


Excellent dox, Veda! Most excellent!

"Lewis misrepresented his own credentials by identifying himself as "James R. Lewis, Ph. D.," even though he never completed the doctorate at the University of North Carolina , Chapel Hill . Indeed, at least three controversial religions and a professional colleague though[t] that Lewis had his doctorate ...."

Badda bang!

TG1
 

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Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

Association of Free Scientologists Israel: Prof. James R. Lewis at Dror Center
http://scnil.org/english/2013/06/09/prof-james-r-lewis-at-dror-center/

Prof. James R. Lewis was a guest of AFSI at Dror Center, Israel, on 23 May 2013.

Prof. Lewis is a renowned researcher of new religious movements, currently teaching at Tromso University, Norway.

We held an open discussion with Prof. Lewis which you can see here:

[video=youtube;qIAf6Fa4myY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qIAf6Fa4myY[/video]
 

oneonewasaracecar

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

I've spoken to Mr Lewis, and he's a very pleasant fellow. He wants to,and obviously is
researching the Independent/FZ, and probably exes. This elevates him to CO$
enemy status.

Deliciously they can't call him a "bitter defrocked apostate". They might try "bitter
academic hack". Dosn't really fit a professor with tenure and an extremely impressive CV.
He is not necessarily an enemy of COS. He has published their propaganda verbatim in the past. Don't be too surprised if he does it again.

Professional liar? I thought you had considered other information provided ....
An academic who ignores publicly verifiable evidence (such as the FOIA docs from the Operation Snow White arrests) would at best be incompetent. I don't believe he is incompetent. The most likely explanation for the lies he has printed is that he is on the Scientology payroll.
Regarding Lewis's having been a shill for the Aum Shrinkyo cult that killed a dozen people and injured a thousand, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas_attack_on_the_Tokyo_subway

The rumors about his Ph.D. could stem from the fact that the stated / implied date of his awarded Ph.D. varies, including these two conflicting Ph.D. award times:

1. His fluffed-up Wikipedia write-up (probably by himself and mildly edited by others) suggests he got his Ph.D. in the early 1990s or possibly before that: "Lewis received his Ph.D. in Religious Studies from the University of Wales, Lampeter, in the United Kingdom, and pursued a career as a professional reference book writer in the 1990s." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Lewis_(scholar)

vs.

2. Other online citations that say he got his Ph.D. in 2003: "... James R. Lewis, Ph.D. (2003) in Religious Studies, University of Wales Lampeter,...." at http://books.google.com/books/about/Handbook_of_Contemporary_Paganism.html?id=rwzttsI9-NwC

Perhaps he claimed to have had a Ph.D. in his earlier career when he was holding himself out as a consultant with Gordon Melton? I'd expect his self-authored Wikipedia article to include the date he earned his Ph.D. But it doesn't.

Inquiring minds would like to more about this.

TG1
Perhaps he has more in common with Hubbard than we had previously thought. It seems even less likely now that he was duped and incompetent.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
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''

Professor (heh!) James R Lewis . . . wattaguy . . .

. . . As Kent was checking his page proofs, the publication's editors informed him that an attorney representing The Family, a Family spokesperson, and an American researcher all had sent letters objecting to the publication of his article (which the objectors had not read). The lawyer and The Family representative made vague overtures about a lawsuit. The American researcher, Mr. James R. Lewis, alleged "questionable" aspects of Kent 's research on Berg, and also accused him of "violat[ing] professional ethics" (in Mobilio, 1994, 17). Remarkably, after alleging ethical problems with Kent 's study, Lewis misrepresented his own credentials by identifying himself as "James R. Lewis, Ph. D.," even though he never completed the doctorate at the University of North Carolina , Chapel Hill . Indeed, at least three controversial religions and a professional colleague thought that Lewis had his doctorate . . .
 

AnonLover

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James R. Lewis, History of Spreading Scientology Falsehoods:
Letters from and to Cynthia Kisser, the former head of the Cult Awareness Network. These dox indicate that cult apologist James R. Lewis repeatedly published untrue allegations about Cynthia Kisser after they had been disproved, and his publisher had repudiated them.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47421674/James-R-Lewis-History-of-Spreading-Scientology-Falsehoods

Puts a whole new spin on him calling Heber his friend.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Re: Professor James R. Lewis Studying Independent Scientology @ Dror Center, Haifa Is

. . . But now he's studying the independent side of the issues. Glad to hear this. A professional study will help explain the history and evolution of this cult.

When Lewis is involved, it all depends on what your definition of "professional" means.
 
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