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PSCYCHOLOGICAL DISORDERS AND HERBAL REMEDIES

I'll just be happy when they stop advertising prescription medication to the general public. $10 says that cures a lot of what's ailing the health system :coolwink:

I don't think I'd totally disagree with this, but sometimes people don't realise that there is medicine "out there" that can help them with annoying conditions. Not knowing what medicine exists, or that it exists, can delay going to get treatment. It also puts too much power or resposibility in the hands of the doctor in some cases.
 
I AGREE BWGIRL

I think those ads are just awful because if you have the right physician, or psychiatrist they will know about all the meds out there because they are required to be notified.

The one thing I will say is that people really need to educate themselves about any medication they take whether it be psychological or just plain medication.
 

3rdman

Patron
Herbal remedies are like the goggles. They do nothing or are misused. Bipolar disorder tends to be best treated with medications and a combination of therapy to help the person recognize when symptoms occur and to help cope and adjust to medical side effects, if there are any.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
a lot of medicines came from plants and herbs, originally. And I have heard that there still are new discoveries coming up all the time from plants in the S American rain forest.
 
bluewig--and others

I too really get pissed off when someone who has NO IDEA what the real effects and experiences of bipolar disorder, depression, mania, etc...try to say that the chemical imibalance thing is invalid because... in MY VAST experience with this diagnosis, crying for absolutly no reason on the floor for days, beating myself up by pounding on a wall totally hysterical, and being such an insomniac that I really had no logical thought for weeks on end, I can say that there IS a valid argument for having a chemical imbalance.

Also, depression and or mania are not always ACUTE. UM seems to love using this word to describe mental conditions. Sorry, no dice...do some real research then get back to us. Maybe even actually talk to someone who has a mental illness. We really arent' that scary...until you piss us off. :angry:
 

Cherished

Silver Meritorious Patron
Yup. Some chose to be ruled by their diagnosis, while others work to be their own master.
Wow. Did you realise how judgemental that sounded?

I had chronic depression that crept up on me. I just thought I was dealing with grief over long-term "issues". I kept working on those issues. Then I was getting less and less able to cope with all of life. I blamed myself for that. Then my body started to slow down. I could only walk at a slow pace. I was awake, but couldn't hold my eyelids open all the time. I had very little breath in my body and I couldn't sing at church any more. I cried a lot. But then I had real reason to cry, so I didn't pick that I was depressed.

I went to see a psychologist about something else. I was lining her up to teach a course, and I went to her to investigate something. She gave me a depression screening test. She said normal and healthy people may score up to about 12 points on the test. Over 12 and it may indicate depression. I scored 30. When she told me that I seem to have depression, I burst into tears. Of relief. From that day forward, I have said that now I am recovering from depression. Before then, I was at its mercy. Now, I can take steps to manage and recover from it.

I asked if I should see a doctor (re medication). She said, no, what she would do with me (cognitive behavioural therapy) would kick in before meds would. So we set to with the CBT.

I did everything she asked of me and more. She said she had never had a patient like me before (who had applied herself to the extent I had). Three months later, I took myself off to the GP, because I was no better. That caused me to lose some confidence in the psychologist. I asked her why she had recommended I not go to the doctor. She said she hadn't realised just how depressed I was. (I always look like I have it together. I was to hear that again and again, by the way.)

The GP tried 3 different meds - one at a time. The third one made a little difference. She upped the dosage to a very high dosage (slowly, over the course of 18 months).

Eventually, I went to see a psychiatrist. He had a CT scan done (to rule out a tumour). It's NOT a tumour! There was a woman in a wheelchair in his office the first day I went. She had been depressed for 10 years. Ken checked and found a tumour, she had just had surgery (hence, the wheelchair). Now, she's no longer depressed.

I didn't have a tumour. Ken also checked my thyroid production levels and did other blood tests. As a result, he prescribed injections of Vitamin B12 (a vitamin essential to neurological function). He didn't want to mess with the anti-depressant initially, preferring to change one thing at a time and assess the results.

My recovery wasn't quick. I remember the day I suddenly had breath again and could sing. I remember one day looking in the mirror in the bathroom and being surprised at how big my eyes were. I hadn't realised that my eyelids were still not fully open until then. I remember the day one of my colleagues at work said to me he was so happy to have heard my laugh across the office, and that he'd missed it.

I've since reduced the anti-depressant dosage by one-third. I am doing it very slowly. Each time I reduce the dosage I see that I become more dopey for a bit, need more sleep and I tend to pull the skin off the under-side of my feet. Bizarre, but that's what happens. I'm letting each step down last for several months, because it can take me that long to be sure I've not slipped lower.

If I have to be on the anti-depressants for the rest of my life, I'm okay with that. I am myself on them. When I was without them and severely depressed, my IQ dropped, I had no self-confidence (even in areas that I have mastery over), I was anxious and over-thought everything.

FWIW, thanks to our health system, I paid nothing for visiting the GPs, my medications were significantly supplemented by the government scheme (I pay about $30 a month) and, because I had been out of work for a long time and wasn't claiming any social security, Ken only charged me $20 above the amount that our government system would pay him for my visit. God bless him.

There are shysters and fools in every walk of life, including psychiatry and psychology. But there are good people and skilled people there too, as there are most everywhere.
 
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I just want to say hi and wish you well with your situation, you folks that are/have struggled with this. Nobody knows what it is like for another person, really. Has anyone read/seen Dr. Amen's work, using SPECT scans? It made a lot of sense to me, mapping areas of the brain that are not working up to par. He believes in using nutritional and herbal medicines first, and then allopathic medicines if the others are ineffective. Everyone is different.

Hope things are getting a bit easier for you! Glad that you're here and talking about your experiences. :)
 
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Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
about meds

I think those ads are just awful because if you have the right physician, or psychiatrist they will know about all the meds out there because they are required to be notified.

The one thing I will say is that people really need to educate themselves about any medication they take whether it be psychological or just plain medication.

I have a bit of experience here in that I am a kidney transplant patient and cardiovascular patient. I am extremely protective of my kidney as I know what dialysis is and never want to be subject to that again.

First and foremost everyone must understand that the liver filters every last thing that goes in your mouth and secondarily the kidneys. My brother in law was prescribed a medicine for gout/very early stage diabetes (just pills) and he told me his creatinine had gone up to 2.5 as a result. I told him to stop taking the pills immediately as he had never had kidney symptoms in his life.
He did and thereby saved his kidneys from damage. The doc a couple of months later tried something else, but if I were not knowledgeable about kidney disease, he would have had elevated creatinine for several months, resulting in irreversbile damage.

What I am saying here is to be very careful of meds and their interaction with vital organs. Get one of those huge books about medications and read every warning about each med and class of meds. We put our livers through much stress sometimes and if your meds are hurting it, stop! Liver disease is fatal...they do not do liver transplants very often because it is a horrendous operation, sometimes taking 16 hours, along with the fact that there just are not livers available. So, please watch out for it...and your kidneys will thank you also.
 

pollywannacracker

Patron Meritorious
One thing to note.

The best way to treat any illness be it cancer, manic depression, urinary tract infections, or whatever, is with a combination of herbal or natural treatments and treatment delivered by well-qualified medical professionals.

My sister has recurring UTI's (urinary tract infections). Aside from isolating the exact cause, antibiotics cure the infection and she was advised to drink cranberry juice daily to keep her urine pH in a more normal state.

My best friend was diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer and was pretty much told to have surgery, chemotherapy and wait to die in about 6 months. She elected to receive treatment at a particular hospital where they consider the whole person and add in natural (i.e. holistic) treatments to
the individualived therapies (along with really good nutrition and a more raw diet). It is now almost three years since her diagnosis and she is doing really well. She does the race for the cure every year!

It only makes sense that a combination of medical therapies and natural therapies would both benefit someone who is dealing with mental health issues.

I say if it works, go ahead and go for it!!!!! :yes:
 
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