Mimsey Borogrove
Crusader
My wife, who is the wise one in our marriage had a wonderful comment to my proposed thread. I read her this:
Title: "SP Needs Advice"
I have a client who frequently blames me for the problems that come up on various jobs I do for him. He is a Scientologist, & since he is making me responsible for his condition, he is obviously PTS type D.
As a declared SP, what should I do?
She laughed, then launched in to how an indi friend of ours wants to get his nots. She asked, have you ever noticed, all of NOTs auditing (including OT 3 & 4) is about making someone else responsible for your condition? That everybody on OT 7 is really PTS type D? When we would go to FLAG for our 6 mos checks, she would notice how the 7's there would frequently whine. And look at the EP - Cause over life - couldn't that also be the EP of PTS type D handling - no longer making others responsible for your condition?
"Our indi friend," she remarked, "is abberated on the 2D, and so he is looking to auditing out the BT's that are making him that way, to solve his case. That is why I told him 'best of luck with the NOTS, I understand the urge to blame someone else' "
I had never realized that, but isn't that what many parts of Scientology's bridge is all about? Blaming somebody else? And wasn't that Hubbard's problem?
I don't know if you ever read the interview with Kima Douglas, LRH's nurse, but he really comes across as wildly PTS D.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/kima.htm
My wife's comment on reading the above post was "PTS D is crap - it is just making others responsible for the crap we don't like about our selves - Ron just had to put a label on it. The whole bridge is about being effect. He was brilliant at selling that, making everybody believe they were effect, and his bridge would solve that. It would make them cause. Everybody has a case and each one is unique. We all have to grapple with it."
Mimsey
PS: PTS type D is a person who make others responsible for his condition - you harmed me etc. In Hubbard's SP /PTS [STRIKE]tech[/STRIKE] mythology the person who is PTS has a SP who is making the person roller coaster - get gains and lose them. The person comes along and says "Scientology made me more able." and the sp says, "Really? How come you still live in a dump?" and the person caves in and runs to the org. The MAA tells the PC to disconnect from the "SP". But really - what is PTS trying to solve? The fact Scientology's gains are transitory, meaning they don't last. So, instead of saying the tech doesn't work all that well, Hubbard says it's the SP - he's making you lose your gains, and than sends you on a wild goose chase to find the SP instead of fixing the tech. Neat huh?
M
Title: "SP Needs Advice"
I have a client who frequently blames me for the problems that come up on various jobs I do for him. He is a Scientologist, & since he is making me responsible for his condition, he is obviously PTS type D.
As a declared SP, what should I do?
She laughed, then launched in to how an indi friend of ours wants to get his nots. She asked, have you ever noticed, all of NOTs auditing (including OT 3 & 4) is about making someone else responsible for your condition? That everybody on OT 7 is really PTS type D? When we would go to FLAG for our 6 mos checks, she would notice how the 7's there would frequently whine. And look at the EP - Cause over life - couldn't that also be the EP of PTS type D handling - no longer making others responsible for your condition?
"Our indi friend," she remarked, "is abberated on the 2D, and so he is looking to auditing out the BT's that are making him that way, to solve his case. That is why I told him 'best of luck with the NOTS, I understand the urge to blame someone else' "
I had never realized that, but isn't that what many parts of Scientology's bridge is all about? Blaming somebody else? And wasn't that Hubbard's problem?
I don't know if you ever read the interview with Kima Douglas, LRH's nurse, but he really comes across as wildly PTS D.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/kima.htm
My wife's comment on reading the above post was "PTS D is crap - it is just making others responsible for the crap we don't like about our selves - Ron just had to put a label on it. The whole bridge is about being effect. He was brilliant at selling that, making everybody believe they were effect, and his bridge would solve that. It would make them cause. Everybody has a case and each one is unique. We all have to grapple with it."
Mimsey
PS: PTS type D is a person who make others responsible for his condition - you harmed me etc. In Hubbard's SP /PTS [STRIKE]tech[/STRIKE] mythology the person who is PTS has a SP who is making the person roller coaster - get gains and lose them. The person comes along and says "Scientology made me more able." and the sp says, "Really? How come you still live in a dump?" and the person caves in and runs to the org. The MAA tells the PC to disconnect from the "SP". But really - what is PTS trying to solve? The fact Scientology's gains are transitory, meaning they don't last. So, instead of saying the tech doesn't work all that well, Hubbard says it's the SP - he's making you lose your gains, and than sends you on a wild goose chase to find the SP instead of fixing the tech. Neat huh?
M
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