It wasn't. Sugar is fairly distinctive and I was rolling around with my face literally inches above it. Plus the kitchen guys were pretty pissed off at us hosing down the place the second time as it was apparently quite expensive to have it put down. I guess it acted as a preventative as there were no bugs there at all, dead or alive.
I don't know how they got cleaned out. Tens of thousands of dead palmetto bugs would surely have clogged the drains.
Paul
Yes . . . the place has gone insane.
You relative newbies might not realize the sequence of HCO Pols that were issued on the "Ethics Conditions" bullshit that set up this criminal scenario.
Originally, we had the Operating Conditions . . . 1965: Power down to Non-Existence.
In 1967 the first of the "Ethics Conditions" pols was issued with the Liability Formula . . . and at the time, that was it! The lowest condition you could be assigned . . . and it was here that the notion of making the "penalties so horrible" etc., were introduced, and in writing in that HCO PL.
Later, then came even lower conditions (they got changed about and rejigged) as Hubbard dreamed up his shit . . . at one time Enemy and Treason were in different positions.
So, when one looks at the insanity of what Liability was touted as and the assigning of the condition was supposed to do; well, one can get a sense of how insane the system had to get to inflict even harsher conditions and punishment for lower than the original "worst of the worst."
Also insane is the fact of assigning the lowest conditions to people straight off . . . what ever happened to the idea of "lightest touch first!"????
I look at the history of this crazy organization and its shit and simply see that they are so insanely in FEAR of "badness" and "error" that all they can think to do is to attack and attempt to destroy . . . even if and when they do not understand WTF they are doing and why!
R
In my time in the SO (1972-1996) I remember countless tasks having to be done with inadequate tools (the org couldn't afford proper ones), but not one of those involving deliberate tool withholding as punishment comes to mind. On a broader view one could consider the inadequate financing made worse by payments uplines punishment by Hubbard etc, but I was looking at it on a more personal level.
There was lots of punishment involving restriction of time to eat food, less/no sleep, less/no pay and more of course. But nothing too juicy comes to mind, though.
Paul
Under the kitchen at big blue is 4 foot high crawl space that allows access to all the drain pipes from the (approx) 1400 sq ft kitchen above. Back in the 80s when I was 15 and on the RPF, the RPFs RPFs job was to clean the crawl space. Most of the drains leaked because the estates staff refused to go down there, so the floor would be covered in 1/2 inch of fat, food and water from the steam kettles.
It was very hot and humid because most the cooking was done with the massive steam kettles, and it was very common to get burned on drain and steam pipes. This also made it a great home for the namesake (rats) and there far more numerous little friends, cockroaches. When we went in, the rats would leave, but the roaches would sit there, watching you. And not little roaches, these were 2-3 inch long palmetto bug monsters; millions of them covered the floor, walls and ceiling of the crawl space.
So we would go in there with nothing but a hose, brooms, rubber gloves and flat furniture dollies to roll around on. And we had to stay in uniform, so if you were unlucky enough to be doing this in the summer, you were in shorts and t-shirt.
I had to do rats alley clean up 3 times and after 30 years, I still shudder at the thought of it.
Yeah. I had to clean up Rats Alley twice while on the RPF's RPF in 1996. The first time there were no rats: I think they had been scared away by the palmetto bugs. I counted them, as in maybe 100 per square foot multiplied up by the square footage of the walls and ceilings they covered. I forget now, but literally tens of thousands of them quivering away. And they fly! Plus rolling around lying on those furniture dollies they're sometimes just a few inches above you.
When I first got in there it was hard to be with them, but I literally ran hellos and oks on them (Scn process) for five minutes until I could at least tolerate them enough to work down there.
The second time I went in there a couple of months later there was not a single palmetto bug (or rat) visible, but there was a white powder -- I assumed highly toxic -- all over the floor. It was nice not to have the critters in there but I didn't appreciate breathing that stuff.
Paul
Cleaning bathrooms. OMG! Totally forgot that a fellow TTCer was put on cleaning BATHROOMS with a toothbrush.
Jeez! I just want to go back in time and give you a .Yes...I was on the RPF. That is where most of that took place. Regular SO was just long hours, cleaning etc....the rice and beans was in the SO...our Org was flat broke lol....go figure. My life as a kid before the SO was mest work and lots of it. I had a very lonely childhood with lots of cleaning, OW write ups, and conditions.....I can't tell you how many times I did lowers at a 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 year old. I would be assigned lowers if I didnt clean the kitchen well, or if I stayed out late, or if I got a C in school for something. When I got C's in two classes I was assigned lowers, all of my clothes were taken away except one outfit (I was in 8th grade, very embarrassing), and no one was allowed to talk to me in the family. This went on for about 3 months.
BeenLiedTo
I had a course supervisor Phil on ASHO FND. (don't remember his last name).There were grease trap on the grills and this is put into 50 gallon drums and picked up by the Grease Truck like regular restaurants but grease gets spilled and migrates everywhere so when they mop the place down it must go down the leaky drains and end up in the sub-floor, ick.
My personal theory is that the bulk cooking in those massive steel kettles over cooks everything and it becomes devoid of nutrition. Perhaps the combination of this institutional cooking and exposure to carcinogens on building construction (and smoking) is the reason I am seeing cancer as COD of so many long term SO members. Stress doesn't help.
I had a course supervisor Phil on ASHO FND. (don't remember his last name).
Anyway, he claimed he was making great money on the side selling grease to cosmetics factories, who used it in their face creams.
I wonder if that was true, or had he just been sent to rat alley one too many times?
Right......there was something, an LRH PL, Base Order or SO Tape about using "Ethics Gradients" because Scientology ethics was soooo powerful - whole spiritual existence for eternity on the line, can overwhelm people instead of just handle the ethics matter, blah, blah.
So start out at just the right level and increase only as needed.
If the SO was enterprising they could save some money here . . . .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ood-in-china-again-after-watching-this-video/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04
My personal theory is that the bulk cooking in those massive steel kettles over cooks everything and it becomes devoid of nutrition. Perhaps the combination of this institutional cooking and exposure to carcinogens on building construction (and smoking) is the reason I am seeing cancer as COD of so many long term SO members. Stress doesn't help.
Recycled grease is used in animal feed and for bio-fuel.
This is where it is kept at Big Blue (just to the left of the Horseshoe Entrance):
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.096...4!1sLXly0lUgCvX58c3mxOubZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The trash compactor is on the right. The entrance to the hall leading to the Galley/kitchen is just past the compactor. The flies migrate down the hall to the food prep area. The Galley is basically under siege by vermin - rats and cockroaches from below and flies to the right. If there aren't enough people posted to the Galley to keep it sanitary then it can get out of control quickly. The RPF were used to back fill Galley personnel. If an SO member doesn't make the grade they can expect to end up in the Galley at some point.
In the above image, to the left is the Boiler Room. Another favorite employee motivational program destination often mentioned in these threads.
I spent several hours inside that trash compactor once scrubbing the garbage off the walls. We were told the power was off. . Vaguely unpleasant but not dangerous, and we had bigger brushes than toothbrushes.
Where was the grease kept?
Paul
I was 17 years old, and they had me in the industrial shredder at PAC. It's located in the motor pool. This was when I was "on decks" routing out of the SO. I wasn't given any protective gear during the time I was shredding. It went on for 8+ hours. I have to say it was nice being isolated from everyone, but having to occasionally talk to the witch that ran estates at the time (in 2004) was unnerving.
Side note: She was actually very nice to me while I was on decks, but prior to that she had treated me like dogshit. I never understood why.
Anyway, for several weeks I would blow my nose and it would be all kinds of different colors because of the dust that got up in there. That's one of the ways I found out about all the sex and other stuff that was going on at PAC. I would occasionally stop and read some of the things I was shredding.