true - but I think you need to take the chain of thought a little further. The fact that the ultimate "abilities" supposedly being led up to cannot actually be manifested as objective realities would seem to indicate that the subjective "abilities" are merely artifacts of persuasion, rather than realities.
I can see that viewpoint. It has previously been my view that there was a possibility that the "runway" to take off into OT states was much longer than anyone anticipated. This seems less likely to me now but I still hold some faint hope. I have witnessed demonstrable changes in people's behaviour that I consider to be positive and (relatively) stable.
Well.. people tend to turn to psychiatry and psychology because they are suffering. People tend to get into Scientology because they are looking for ways to better themselves.
I wonder if that's true. Take staff for example: it seems to me that there is a lot of low-toned mockery of high-toned viewpoints going on. I don't take too much that is said or written by Scientologists at face value. Who truly knows why anyone does anything? I don't think this damns Scn but the general level of self-awareness people have.
AS for the "results" - hmm. "Wins" are not results, merely expressions of joy and good feeling. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. So where are the tested results showing demonstrable improvement in people's lives? Improvements above and beyond what would be expected of someone becoming older and wiser? Where are the wonderful writers and engineers that, after 50 years, Scientology would be creating? The Jesuits do better than that and they don't claim to have a 'technology'..
I can't and won't argue with you on that. The degree of "results" is not impressive compared to the hype. Hubbard seems to be in breach of his main policy: deliver what you promise.
I can't really explain this in words, but I've always been a "glass half-empty" person. For a long time I have just wanted to cease to exist (not suicide).
I don't believe things because I need or want them to be true. Nevertheless, I feel strongly that even if Scn doesn't make OTs then it's basics could be the core for a progressive technology that could.
Granted, I'm not sure how OT a person can be in a shared universe.
naah, I don't think so. But our views are different.
I'm glad you're on the forum Mick. If my own beliefs and ideas aren't challenged then I won't reinspect them periodically and they will be come automaticities. It was failing to apply this policy that led to me staying with CoS years after I should have realised that bugger all was happening (for me at least).
I've found a good measure of something on this forum that seems in short supply elsewhere - maturity and mutual respect.