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Naturally.
Lol, you trollin' me, bro?
Naturally.
Naturally.
I just saw this. Yes, that's right, although I later also did RO OT 9-10-11 (Phoenix) and started OT 12 (Super Power for OT's). At that point I became totally stuck, but I'll post more on that tomorrow.Seeing as how Helena hasn't addressed this, I'll tell you my understanding of it;
Helena did up to and including OT5 in the CofS, left the CofS and continued on the fabled Bridge in Ron's Org up to RO's "Excalibur" (or thereabouts). She'll probably correct this (if it's incorrect) and/or fill in the blanks sooner or later.
Trouble is OK.
Yeah, missed it by THAT much!
I just saw this. Yes, that's right, although I later also did RO OT 9-10-11 (Phoenix) and started OT 12 (Super Power for OT's). At that point I became totally stuck, but I'll post more on that tomorrow.
I like to think of Excalibur as "NOTS with something extra". That something extra fills in the technical flaw in NOTS.
Suggest: always allow 24 to 48 hours for a response to a question.
Helena
In my observation, ex-scientologists may become just as prone to that "one-size-fits-all" mindset as any scientologist ever was. So many Exes seem to have adopted a favorite solution to the problem of "How to rationalise Hubbard/scientology".
"It's all hypnotism, it's all rhetoric, it's all brainwashing, it's all... whatever."
It's kinda cute in a somewhat annoying way!
Lol, you trollin' me, bro?
Not at all. I disagree with your fallacious generalities and appeals to ridicule towards Ex's. Anon's have an old saying, "stay on target." Elcon, the Dwarfenfuhrer, OSA, $cientology, front groups, etc. are the target, not Ex's.
In my observation, ex-scientologists may become just as prone to that "one-size-fits-all" mindset as any scientologist ever was. So many Exes seem to have adopted a favorite solution to the problem of "How to rationalise Hubbard/scientology".
"It's all hypnotism, it's all rhetoric, it's all brainwashing, it's all... whatever."
It's kinda cute in a somewhat annoying way!
“Whenever you are about to find fault with someone, ask yourself the following question: What fault of mine most nearly resembles the one I am about to criticize?”
- Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
Ex's do the best they can dealing with the aftermath of having been in a cult and do marvelously exposing $cientology for what it is, a criminal mafia organization hiding behind religious cloaking.
[HIGHLIGHT]Sure. No arguments here.[/HIGHLIGHT]
My comment was just in response to ITYIWT's little joke preceding it. It's not that serious.
But, just for the record, you didn't actually address the thing I said, you just used Rhetoric...
oops, there goes ITYIWT...
Sorry about that, Chief!
Naturally.
Lol, you trollin' me, bro?
Not at all. I disagree with your fallacious generalities and appeals to ridicule towards Ex's. Anon's have an old saying, "stay on target." Elcon, the Dwarfenfuhrer, OSA, $cientology, front groups, etc. are the target, not Ex's.
Which "fallacious generalities" would those be?
Which "appeals to ridicule towards Ex's" are you talking about?
Dox or GTFO!
(Your own strawman misinterpretations don't really count as dox, btw.)
Rhetoric!
I'm a waiting at the bottom of that cliff to catch you babe.....
Howzat for nefarious intentions?
I really wish they had one of them emoticons of Groucho Marx fanning his eyebrows up and down here sometimes...
I wonder how Gib feels being the butt end of so many jokes now when he only wanted to help others understand Elcon's mindfuck. Happy hunting everyone, the feeding frenzy will drown out Gib's yells for mercy now that he's down.
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Let's make no mistake,...
LRH's Excalibur is an unpublished book, which, according to rumor, was left unpublished because it contained too much data for us mere earthdwellers and/or has had pieces published elsewhere.Helena, is there any relationship between Captain Bill Robertson's Excalibur....and the Excalibur that LRH talked about?
And yet you just did!
You should re-read that series of posts and find out what I was referring to when I said "no arguments".
You're over-analysing this and reading odd things into a simple observation: Some people (many of them Exes) become fixated on "one-size-fits-all" answers eg: hypnotism, brainwashing, the R word, etc. to the question of "wtf is it with scientology/ists?". Perhaps you disagree or can't/won't see that. It's just my opinion based on observation.
It's not intended to make less of Gib, I like him very much and I believe he knows that.
I also appreciate his input about the use of rh***ric and have noted several times that we all use it whenever we're writing or speechifying in an effort to persuade. (See what I did there?)
You seem to be taking exception to my comments lately and we end up getting into these back and forth tit-for-tats. It doesn't particularly bother me but, seriously, you're seeing things in my posts which just aren't there and adding a lot of straw to the discussion.
I wonder how Gib feels being the butt end of so many jokes now when he only wanted to help others understand Elcon's mindfuck. Happy hunting everyone, the feeding frenzy will drown out Gib's yells for mercy now that he's down.
LRH's Excalibur is an unpublished book, which, according to rumor, was left unpublished because it contained too much data for us mere earthdwellers and/or has had pieces published elsewhere.
CBR named his OT 8 Excalibur as a tribute to the unpublished book. This is the only connection.
Helena
Originally posted by Leland
Helena, is there any relationship between Captain Bill Robertson's Excalibur....and the Excalibur that LRH talked about?
I didn't believe you when you said, "Sure. No arguments here." I wonder why.
Predictably:
Let's make no mistake, this about laughing at Gib shaming him into silence with unnamed others as a misrepresentation stereotype of "so many Ex's" who according to you think "It's all hypnotism, it's all rhetoric, it's all brainwashing, it's all... whatever. It's kinda cute in a somewhat annoying way!"
How do you know what so many Ex's are thinking about the cult? You don't. Trying to make fun of Ex's and Gib in particular I suppose because you feel better about yourself afterwards is immature.
This is one of only a few places Ex's can come talk about psychology, rhetoric, brainwashing and whatever else Ex's want to discuss so perhaps you're annoying for not seeing the compassionate side of this, which is why I posted that Marcus Aurelius quote in the first place.
My suggestion is since you want to play your "role" as the critic of the critics with fallacious garbage start your own thread. No doubt multitudes of Ex's will flock there wanting to hear your revelations from on high as to how they are recovering from the cult incorrectly, what are permissible subjects of discussion, how they should feel about $cientology, living up to your standards and other wholesome tidbits. Invite Claire and Mark to help you too.
LRH's Excalibur is an unpublished book, which, according to rumor, was left unpublished because it contained too much data for us mere earthdwellers and/or has had pieces published elsewhere.
CBR named his OT 8 Excalibur as a tribute to the unpublished book. This is the only connection.
Helena