Questions about the auditing experience

[AnonOrange]

AO, you miss the whole concept of how the meter works.

The pinch test is not to see if you react on the meter when you are pinched!

It is to see that you react on the meter when you think of it later!

And are you claiming thought is "physical stuff"?

If so why wouldnt it be "readable" on the meter?

Yes thought IS physical stuff! Prove me otherwise.

The pinch reaction and it's recall is due to the ideomotor effect. Again, if your claim is true, then test it with needles in the viens.

 

[alex]

Part of you answer is unreasonable! Do you really believe in accupuncture and homeopathy? Please spend FIVE minutes reading critical info about homeopathy. It is the #1 stupidest thing in alternative (quack) medicine.

Try the e-meter with needles in the veins and we'll chat again!

http://www.bio-medical.com/product_info.cfm?inventory__imodel=SE35

is more appropriate than needles.

Below is a discussion of the relationship of GSR response to Psychological stimuli

http://www.extremenxt.com/gsr.htm

although

http://www.electrodesales.com/el450.html

is what you are suggesting.....usually only used on animals...

 

[uniquemand]

AnonOrange, your assumption that thought is physical stuff is YOUR CLAIM. It is not our burden to disprove it. It is yours to prove it. Personally, I believe thoughts to be physical, as well, but it's a CLAIM, not something that has a priori truth.

 

[SomeGuy]

Part of you answer is unreasonable! Do you really believe in accupuncture and homeopathy? Please spend FIVE minutes reading critical info about homeopathy. It is the #1 stupidest thing in alternative (quack) medicine.

Try the e-meter with needles in the veins and we'll chat again!

It's a galvanometer at it's core....

You might want to read up on how they work, I'm sure once you do you can come up with a better concept.

Like replace the cans with stick on pads? It should offer the same results and remove the variable resistance issue you are trying to solve with "needles in the veins" concept of yours.

Right if the cans are just a receptor using a different type of receptor shouldn't matter.

 

[alex]

Yes thought IS physical stuff! Prove me otherwise.

The pinch reaction and it's recall is due to the ideomotor effect. Again, if your claim is true, then test it with needles in the viens.

I dont really know what it is you think I claim.

Please restate it and I will respond.

I will not be putting needles in myself though....

We'll let you do that one.

 

[alex]

Yes thought IS physical stuff! Prove me otherwise.

The pinch reaction and it's recall is due to the ideomotor effect. Again, if your claim is true, then test it with needles in the viens.

I have been on GSR outside the scientology sphere also and in that case electrodes with a gel were taped to my arms.... thus minimizing any body motion effect...

http://www.biopac.com/disposable-electrodermal-electrode-100

http://www.biopac.com/disposable-bioimpedance-strip-electrode-80

 

[AnonOrange]

is more appropriate than needles.

Now you're missing the purpose of the test I want to do.

1) Body thetans are IN your body right?

2) They are NOT on the surface of the skin right?

3) The e-meter and other types of similar meters specifically measure galvanic skin resistance, right?

4) So, if body thetans are IN the body why do we waste time (and fortunes) measuring skin resistance?!

Hook up the needles so you actually measure the conduction INSIDE the body, in response to an auditor's questions.

I'd really like to try this test, so please anybody in the LA area with an e-meter, please PM me.

 

[AnonOrange]

AnonOrange, your assumption that thought is physical stuff is YOUR CLAIM. It is not our burden to disprove it. It is yours to prove it. Personally, I believe thoughts to be physical, as well, but it's a CLAIM, not something that has a priori truth.

There is ZERO evidence for anything that is not physical. There is nothing extraordinary in saying everything is phyical, because that's all we've seen so far. Therefore, when someone makes the statement that "thoughts are not physical" the burden of proof is on the person making the extroardinary claim, which as the great Carl Segan said, requires extroardinary evidence.

 

[AnonOrange]

I have been on GSR outside the scientology sphere also and in that case electrodes with a gel were taped to my arms.... thus minimizing any body motion effect...

http://www.biopac.com/disposable-electrodermal-electrode-100

http://www.biopac.com/disposable-bioimpedance-strip-electrode-80

I also think that taped electrodes with gel is better than the cans. But, right now, I can't think of a better way to do this than by piercing the body and connecting with the blood. Are you afraid of needles? It's common. See if scientology can help you with that

I read that early on in scientology, people tried different types of electrodes, but Hubbard made them all illegal.

Maybe Hubbard knew his little scam would be exposed that way. I often wonder if Hubbard was a genius con man or just deluded.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Now you're missing the purpose of the test I want to do.

1) Body thetans are IN your body right?

2) They are NOT on the surface of the skin right?

3) The e-meter and other types of similar meters specifically measure galvanic skin resistance, right?

4) So, if body thetans are IN the body why do we waste time (and fortunes) measuring skin resistance?!

Hook up the needles so you actually measure the conduction INSIDE the body, in response to an auditor's questions.

I'd really like to try this test, so please anybody in the LA area with an e-meter, please PM me.

AO, you are continuing to invent silly tests based on an almost complete lack of understanding of what Scientology is. Why don't you stop trashing up bluewigglygirl's thread and continue on one of your own?

Paul

 

[AnonOrange]

It's a galvanometer at it's core....

You might want to read up on how they work, I'm sure once you do you can come up with a better concept.

Like replace the cans with stick on pads? It should offer the same results and remove the variable resistance issue you are trying to solve with "needles in the veins" concept of yours.

Right if the cans are just a receptor using a different type of receptor shouldn't matter.

You'll see that the type of receptor make a whole lot of difference.

I would love to see that test on national TV. If a preliminary test works, I'll contact Penn Jillette to get the test done on his show Bullshit.

Hurry, I need to do this test soon. I may meet Penn in about a month in Vegas.

 

[uniquemand]

There's zero evidence that thought is physical, ether, AnonOrange. That's the trouble.

 

[AnonOrange]

AO, you are continuing to invent silly tests based on an almost complete lack of understanding of what Scientology is. Why don't you stop trashing up bluewigglygirl's thread and continue on one of your own?

Paul

The thread is about auditing and the e-meter. The test is NOT silly. It would be devestating to scientology if this test were to be shown on national TV.

You don't like my test suggestions, because deep inside, you still believe in the tech and I may shatter your beliefs.

The e-meter is completely useless, when the purpose is to measure someone's thoughts. That's highly relevant to this thread.

 

[bluewiggirl]

The thread is about auditing and the e-meter. The test is NOT silly. It would be devestating to scientology if this test were to be shown on national TV.

You don't like my test suggestions, because deep inside, you still believe in the tech and I may shatter your beliefs.

The e-meter is completely useless, when the purpose is to measure someone's thoughts. That's highly relevant to this thread.

No, this thread is about people's emotional experiences in the process of auditing, something that I have no first hand experience with but need to include in a writing project. You whining about the scientific accuracy or lack thereof is completely irrelevant to the OP.

 

[AnonOrange]

There's zero evidence that thought is physical, ether, AnonOrange. That's the trouble.

There is no trouble. One is a perfectly reasonable claim and the other is a supernatural, extraordinary claim.

Mind you, the general religious population may think that thoughts being physical is extraordinary. They just need to do a little more science.

 

[AnonOrange]

No, this thread is about people's emotional experiences in the process of auditing, something that I have no first hand experience with but need to include in a writing project. You whining about the scientific accuracy or lack thereof is completely irrelevant to the OP.

The emotional responses are due to the fact that the e-meter is a con and people are mesmerized by it. Just like people confess when faced with a lie detector.

I'm in no way trying to derail, but make you realize that a key aspect of auditing is a fraud. Scientology works because of intimidation through various means, including the e-meter, auditing, sec checks.

A relevant question to ask scientologists: Were you intimidated by the e-meter ?

 

[justaguy]

bluewiggirl does not believe that your comments are highly relevant to this thread. She asked questions of the exes, about what it was like to be in auditing, about their opinion of the e-meter. If I recall, she didn't ask you about the e-meter. She's trying to write something and trying to get information from ex-scientologists. So you could be a decent human being and butt out of this conversation? As far as I can tell you're not an ex-scientologist or bluewiggirl, and thus your opinion that the e-meter is stupid is highly irrelevant.

And before you call "hypocrite!" on me, this'll be my only post in the thread because a) I am not an ex-scientologist and b) I am not bluewiggirl.

 

[uniquemand]

The "other" is not a claim.

It's an investigatory stance. I don't claim thougt is non-physical, or that it is physical, only that neither has been proved.

 

[bluewiggirl]

The emotional responses are due to the fact that the e-meter is a con and people are mesmerized by it. Just like people confess when faced with a lie detector.

I'm in no way trying to derail, but make you realize that a key aspect of auditing is a fraud. Scientology works because of intimidation through various means, including the e-meter, auditing, sec checks.

A relevant question to ask scientologists: Were you intimidated by the e-meter ?

I'm an anon, honey, no conversion needed.

 

[Dulloldfart]

No, this thread is about people's emotional experiences in the process of auditing, something that I have no first hand experience with but need to include in a writing project.

I told you how to get that experience, free of charge, available 24/7. Many have found it valuable. 60+ unsolicited success stories at www.yawnguy.com.

Paul