Ranks in Scientology?

[Rmack]

I also assume that the issue was fake as well but don't know for sure.

I'd love for Pat Broeker to write a book, or even better shoot some videos telling the story from his perspective. It would be valuable from a historical perspective.

If he's concerned about the repercussions from the CoS than he can arrange for it to be released after he dies.

Oh, yeah!

Come on, '007' let's see if you really have the right stuff!

 

[cakemaker]

From Flag Order 3891 7 Aug 1986 UNIFORM INSIGNIA

 

[Babel Fish]

From Flag Order 3891 7 Aug 1986 UNIFORM INSIGNIA

Well, it looks like it's about about equivalent to the navy ranking system. I might have to try to find that episode and see if I misheard them, or if they were refering to something else.

With that cleared up, does anyone know what a Pilot in Scientology is or does? I get the impression that they do not fly airplanes, but I haven't had much luck finding info on them.

 

[Dulloldfart]

With that cleared up, does anyone know what a Pilot in Scientology is or does? I get the impression that they do not fly airplanes, but I haven't had much luck finding info on them.

Pilot is not a Scientology post or title as such. There are two uses: one is the regular ship usage, like when an SO ship is approaching port and needs to take on a local qualified to navigate local hazards. The other is a fictional character as an important part of a highly confidential incident 75 million years ago [sic].

I suppose there's a third: Ken Ogger was a Scientologist who wrote copiously online about Scn technical matters and used the name "The Pilot" for anonymity.

Paul

 

[Enthetan]

As far as that Flag Order I posted I've got no idea as to it's legitimacy.

Maybe if Pat Broeker ever writes a book he can shed some light on it.

I remember it being read out at the event in LA where the announcement of LRH's death was made. I doubt we will ever know for sure.

My suspicion as to what happened is that Pat had LRH's confidence in the last years, while DM used his position as the only interface between LRH and the rest of the SO hierarchy to consolidate power and ensure that his supporters were in place. After LRH's death, DM swiftly moved to sweep away the "Old Guard".

 

[Jump]

Has anyone found which particular rank is required to ask


where's Shelly?

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[Enthetan]

Has anyone found which particular rank is required to ask


where's Shelly?

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I would guess that "Detective" or "Special Agent" would be the rank you would need to have, in order to demand answers.

 

[Demented Hubbatd]

I remember hearing a while ago (I think it was mentioned in a Surviving Scientology podcast) that the rank of Captain (if I remember right) is the highest rank inside the sea org, likely because Hubbard was a Captain in the military. What I gathered was that although Captain is a relatively low rank in the actual military, it being the highest one in Scientology helped give sea org workers who aren't familiar with military rank the impression that LRH was a decorated war hero.

Somewhere else, I remember a former sea org worker talking about how he always assumed that the Pilots (with the pilot pins) were super important and high ranking, only to find out later that being a "pilot" actually didn't mean much.

I don't remember seeing anything on these mentioned anywhere else since I first heard it. Can anyone verify if what I said is correct, and maybe provide any info (or a link to info) about what those ranks do and what other ranks there are? Are they a status symbol in a similar way that having a clear bracelet on the base was viewed as a sort of status symbol?

As I was told by my CoS instructor, Hubbard's initial Scientology rank was Captain; then he promoted himself to Commodore, and shortly before his death he promoted himself again, this time to Admiral.

In the Navy the Captain is a quite high rank; for example, a Captain could be in charge of a biggest Navy vessel, aircraft carrier. The next rank above Captain is Rear Admiral.

As far as I know, the Commodore rank is not used in the Navy.

 

[Enthetan]

As far as I know, the Commodore rank is not used in the Navy.

The title was in use during WW2, when Hubbard was in the Navy, as what to call the next rank up from Captain (Commodore = 1-star Admiral level). It's currently still in use in the US Navy to refer to a senior Captain in charge of multiple ships.

When the Sea Org expanded to multiple ships, it thus made some sort of sense for LRH to call himself Commodore.

Commodore (US Navy)

 

[Knows]

Ranks in Scientology?

"Well, First there is L Ron Hubbard"

Hold your hand above your head - flat out and parallel with the floor

Then move it down to your neck level

"Then there is David Miscavige"

Then move it down to your chest

"Then there is Tom Cruise"

The rest of us are below that - DB's and broken pieces playing a game of long duration - swinging at L Ron's perceived enemies....

AND YOU ....YOU don't have the fuckin rank to say anything about ranks in Scientology. LOL

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Pilot is not a Scientology post or title as such. There are two uses: one is the regular ship usage, like when an SO ship is approaching port and needs to take on a local qualified to navigate local hazards. The other is a fictional character as an important part of a highly confidential incident 75 million years ago [sic].

I suppose there's a third: Ken Ogger was a Scientologist who wrote copiously online about Scn technical matters and used the name "The Pilot" for anonymity.

Paul

Ooh, ooh, I know that one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbpv9Bt9mOA

 

[cakemaker]

This was the issue that came out just after Hubbard died and that Miscavige cancelled shortly afterwards.
I'd love to hear the backstory if anyone knows.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Funny that the Hubs claimed rank in the SO. I've never seen his signed billion year contract and I doubt he ever signed one.

Hubbard was not a Scientologist. Scientologists were his subjects/minions.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Funny that the Hubs claimed rank in the SO. I've never seen his signed billion year contract and I doubt he ever signed one.

Hubbard was not a Scientologist. Scientologists were his subjects/minions.

It is also curious that for all his disparagement of wog organization and government that he would emulate the Navy ranking system. It was completely superfluous. Authority in the SO is derived from position on the org board hierarchy. If someone tried to order into another area or unit based on rank they would be considered off-lines.

LRH covered this in the Intro to the Sea Org Tapes. The uniforms are there to establish ethics presence and enforce compliance by reminding people of things like the Loyal Officers who fought against the intergalactic forces of evil on the whole track.

We don't just come back - we came back.

 

[lotus]

The uniforms are there to establish ethics presence and enforce compliance by reminding people of things like the Loyal Officers who fought against the intergalactic forces of evil on the whole track.

We don't just come back - we came back.

Embarrasing


Is it of help ?????

[video]https://youtu.be/VPkAAWurXG0[/video]

 

[Gizmo]

I hold the absolute highest possible rank in relation to the cult.


I am a wog & damn proud of it !

 

[lotus]

This was the issue that came out just after Hubbard died and that Miscavige cancelled shortly afterwards.
I'd love to hear the backstory if anyone knows.

:mindblow:

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Embarrasing


Is it of help ?????

[video]https://youtu.be/VPkAAWurXG0[/video]

LOL!

The Star Wars Throne Room Theme song was played at Sea Org events with full dress honor guard routinely for a long time after the movie first came out. Yes, it got kind of awkward after a while...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH6a1iYQ0GA

 

[Gib]

It is also curious that for all his disparagement of wog organization and government that he would emulate the Navy ranking system. It was completely superfluous. Authority in the SO is derived from position on the org board hierarchy. If someone tried to order into another area or unit based on rank they would be considered off-lines.

LRH covered this in the Intro to the Sea Org Tapes. The uniforms are there to establish ethics presence and enforce compliance by reminding people of things like the Loyal Officers who fought against the intergalactic forces of evil on the whole track.

We don't just come back - we came back.

yep, the SO was hubbard's personal army, and now DM's, hidden inside the subject of scientology, which is why it is hard to break apart, legally, and see what it really is.

The only thing I can figure is that Hubbard got the idea of the Sea Org from his reading the book called LAWS GOVERNING LEVEE EN MASSE as he told Heinlein in a personal letter (and , of course, possibly other books):

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38446-Dean-Wilbur-Rhetoric-Hubbard-dianetics-sicientology&p=1058062&viewfull=1#post1058062

I haven't read that book as I can't find it, but what I have found is that Levee En Masse had to do with military conscription and loyalty, hence the Sea Org with it's billion year contract which aligns with hubbards idea of past and future lives. And of course, Hubbard knew he couldn't be a organization with guns, why he used psych ops and thus in the same letter to Heinlein he mention another book called ASSINATION AS A POLITICAL TECHNIGUE, which is basically character assassination to take out the enemy.

Now who is the enemy that hubbard created in his game called scientology, why it's the psych's and governments and everybody else hubbard bad mouths in his lectures.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

yep, the SO was hubbard's personal army, and now DM's, hidden inside the subject of scientology, which is why it is hard to break apart, legally, and see what it really is.

The only thing I can figure is that Hubbard got the idea of the Sea Org from his reading the book called LAWS GOVERNING LEVEE EN MASSE as he told Heinlein in a personal letter (and , of course, possibly other books):

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38446-Dean-Wilbur-Rhetoric-Hubbard-dianetics-sicientology&p=1058062&viewfull=1#post1058062

I haven't read that book as I can't find it, but what I have found is that Levee En Masse had to do with military conscription and loyalty, hence the Sea Org with it's billion year contract which aligns with hubbards idea of past and future lives. And of course, Hubbard knew he couldn't be a organization with guns, why he used psych ops and thus in the same letter to Heinlein he mention another book called ASSINATION AS A POLITICAL TECHNIGUE, which is basically character assassination to take out the enemy.

Now who is the enemy that hubbard created in his game called scientology, why it's the psych's and governments and everybody else hubbard bad mouths in his lectures.

I'm sure he thought he was being clever but there seems to be some universal law, or axiom if you will, that for every LRH bright idea there is a proportionate negative outcome.

The general public hold the military uniform in very high reverence. It represents family and friends who have made the ultimate sacrifice to preserve freedom and to destroy tyranny in military service. You might enjoy some short term gain by exploiting the use of the uniform but once the public understands that you are doing this out of some manipulative self serving whim it is reviled.

I used to have people come up to me and tell me how their late husband or father was in the Navy and all I could do was acknowledge them. I didn't have the heart to tell them it was something my religion wore because we wanted to look like the Navy - lanyard, cap, campaign bars, cheap shiny black shoes.

Ugh, I cringe to remember those moments. So young and stupid.